Other Game Engines

[SkateZilla]

This is not whether Ed has invested or not this is a look at things to come. Maybe some other flight simm will be using this engine and that would be something worth looking at. As far as Edge goes where is Their proof of concept. Have not seen any EDGE concept vids and that is supposedly something that has been in the works for YEARS.

 

Umm,

 

Nevada was in the works for years, by a 3rd party, then ED took it over, Then ED Started it Over from Scratch, then ED decided the only way to render all the details they wanted was to rebuild the Image Renderer, Enter EDGE.

 

 

A GFX Engine re-write is no small task. EA's Frostbite Engine took 4-5 years to write. Which started before BF:BC was released in 2007. and EA has a HUGE Taskforce for General Purpose Engine Coding. FrostBite II is used by nearly every EA / Partners Title.

[SkateZilla]

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1660812&postcount=1422

[SkateZilla]

Forgive my posting etiquette, was not sure where to post it. But it was moved appropriately.

 

 

It's all good,

 

it's a amazing engine..

[Chazz Ulric]

Yes, I have seen that post and am somewhat privy to the dev history of EDGE. Still just comes down to words.

[Chazz Ulric]

It's all good,

 

it's a amazing engine..

 

Cant help a lil green eyed monster of envy when I see the vid.:(

[Lange_666]

It looks good, superb detail but... the video posted on Youtube isn't smooth motion, it stutters. This can be because they didn't care about making a good video and just wanted to use this one as a show off to let everybody drool over the detail but then... if i was one of the makers of this engine, i would make 100% sure that i posted a fluid moving video. And this does not.

Which makes me think that it isn't possible with current hardware and that everybody would get frustrated again on the poor performance of their own hardware the moment they buy a game based around this engine.

 

Also, if i have to make a choice over either detail or motion i go for 100% fluid motion instead of being able to count the leaves of a flower as i move over the terrain.

 

But it looks good, very good.

[winz]

Cant help a lil green eyed monster of envy when I see the vid.:(

How do you buy a new car (or anything)? Do you watch a commercial for every car you consider buying and then buy the one with the best commercial?

Or do you methodicaly compare specificacions, weight pros/cons of individual models and then pick the best compromise available to you?

 

My wild gues would be the latter. If so, then why do you think that engine is superiour to EDGE, when you only saw a single ad?

[Boberro]

ED buy this buy :)

 

Driving nasty Tunguska through the forest.... hunting poor Ka-50s and GheyTens.... I doubt EDGE will be even close to this.

[sorcer3r]

ED buy this buy :)

 

Driving nasty Tunguska through the forest.... hunting poor Ka-50s and GheyTens.... I doubt EDGE will be even close to this.

 

Make a kickstarter project for ED. If you get 5 million or more maybe then ED will consider it....

:P

[Terrorvogel]

This engine is amazing!!!

I would pay a lots of money for a fluid flightsim with this graphics. With colidable trees to hide behind...

Someone plz make a poll, how much users will pay for an engine like that. Maybe ED has take a look...

[winz]

For those who don't know - you can download and test the engine/benchmark for free from http://unigine.com/products/valley/

 

My experience is:

I got a 2500k I5 with GTX 560ti and my average FPS is 35 on ultra. That's with only landscape, no physics engine, no effects, one light per scene, no AI, no..nothing. Sure, you can tone the details down, but then the whole wow factor goes away. Also the visibility is poor for a flight sim, demo area is small (64 000 000 square meters is 8x8km), distanct trees looks awful, the detail lvl border is very obvious, even at ultra settings.

 

Tbh, I can see the same beeing done in crysis 1, frostbite, or any other capable FPS engine.

Edited February 21, 2013 by winz

[KennethBF]

Outera - New planetary/world/graphics engine for DCS ?

 

Maybe this has been a topic earlier in this forum.

 

Have a look at this: http://outerra.com/

 

Features: http://outerra.com/wfeatures.html

 

And finaly look at these wideos and see what the future holds: http://outerra.com/wgallery.html

 

 

 

This is the future of simulation.

 

Will DCS take the step to the next level?

Edited June 11, 2013 by KennethBF

[joey45]

This has been brought up before.

 

ED are making their own, it's called EDGE.

[cichlidfan]

This might be the first Outerra thread, but not the only one.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=57607

 

;)

[KennethBF]

This has been brought up before.

 

ED are making their own, it's called EDGE.

 

Ok, so we are talking of a NEW world engine for DCS that they are makeing?

[NineLine]

Ok, so we are talking of a NEW world engine for DCS that they are makeing?

 

Yes

[joey45]

Going for the merge then????:pilotfly:

[KennethBF]

Yes

 

Ok, that's good news :)

Edited June 11, 2013 by KennethBF

[OGREMAN]

Hi to everyone.

Did you see outerra graphic engine? It's made by Bratislavian guys and they are doing it to be compatible with a lot of stuff. So i think this could be comaptible with DCS engine too.

It's OpenGL 3.3 (now, in the future OpenGL 4.4 too). Don´t know about licenses but may be is cheapper than MS directx.

 

Linux and Mac people are a big comunity and a big source of income...... :music_whistling:

 

What do you think?

 

Best regards.

Hi Locoidle,

As an avid hardcore flight simmer in DCS series, I dont give two hoots as to the size of market a piece of software might attract but I do care about the quality of a graphics engine that could make an already excellent sim into a world renowned all-time classic. OUTERRA graphics engine could do that for DCS but it will require a leap of faith on the part of DCS (something I dont think they are capable of).

The PROs---

1;Outerra engine models the ENTIRE PLANET to as little as 20cm detail, thats every rock and boulder as taken from the global satelite systems. Imagine ... no more problems of map scale or new terrains.

2; Because Outerra uses fractal generation of the physical world it can maintain silky smooth presentation of the world at infinate view distance down to individual blades of grass in the meadow.

3;The sandbox structure of the graphic engine allows for easy customisation of physical features even to the creation of total fantasy terrains.

? PRO or CON? -; The physical world while rendered in breathtaking detail is also TOTALLY VIRGIN, ie without any evidence of human habitation. The sandbox design of the graphic engine provides excellent facilities for the replication of the built environment (including airfields, buildings ,roads, harbours etc. This of course means that areas of human occupation would have to be BUILT.

 

CONs

1; While the OUTERRA engine provides a very good physics model (as demonstrated by videos) it is not directly interchangable with the DCS physics, thus it would probably require a complete re-write of the DCS program to make it compatible. (Needing Faith and Vision).

2; Not all aspects of the OUTERRA world are replicated at this time, specificaly the Vegitation that characterise DESERT,TROPICAL,SEMI ARID, regions is not yet available. The single vegitation character that is available is TEMPERATE. So the grand canyon and Gobi Desert both look like they were transplants from ALASKA.

CONCLUSIONs

The outerra graphics engine absolutely rocks, but it is still under development for the inclusion of some pretty fundamental stuff rivers ,streams, clouds and weather patterns.... global variation of Vegitation and human occupation.

Until these things are in a working state the flight sim activity is going to fall short of being immersive. I have followed the development of this graphic engine for the last couple of years and am sure it could be a massive hit in the "all sim catagory of gaming".

[Phantom88]

UNIGINE

 

Helicopter Demo

[Mnemonic]

Somehow I was waiting to see heli pit. But ok :)

[OttoPus]

Nice but... it seems a little bit fake and cartoonish compared to Outerra views.

 

Beautiful piece of technology though :)

 

It would be useful, other than pure eye candy, to see how the engine can handle multiple moving objects with AI, physics and balistic calculations.

[Phantom88]

I Agree with the above,Hopefully we will see more to come from this new engine.

[Wolfie]

Very toonish looking, and Arma already has that small of a map covered. Basically, unless I missed some realism simulation, its just Arma.

[TimeKilla]

Looks interesting. :thumbup: