siipperi Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 You're confusing "personal taste" with "objectivity". Distinguish what's "real" from what looks obviously a video game is just a matter of having a couple of eyes. It doesn't mean that it's not "good" (nor that it isn't "good enough"), it just means that it could be improved eventually (hence my "critics")... and I hope it will. I have yet to see any game that doesn't look like a videogame but real life. I would like to know this game so i can test it out. And are you sure your objectivity doesn't turn into the hate? People were saying in early 2000 that something looked so real, it's just matter what we are custom to. Not every member of this community play these new games like titanfall that are supposed to have good graphics, but when you look closer textures are often lower than in DCS planes. AFAIK DCS have best looking cockpits (any kind, tank, jets, cars -games) that we have on the market and if you are refering to other aspects of screenshots, sure, I have seen better looking clouds but I think most people are refering to that cockpit screenshot and how it looks as whole. But can we please stop this nonesence when we clearly all understand this is update discussion not the compare dcs with imaginary good looking game.
FLANKERATOR Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 Beautiful! Great work whoever designed that! Please ED, keep an eye on the game FPS and stability as well. Situational Awareness: https://sa-sim.com/ | The Air Combat Dojo: https://discord.gg/Rz77eFj
npole Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 I have yet to see any game that doesn't look like a videogame but real life. Few.. but there's (that's why i mentioned Project CARS), btw I am not pretending that DCS will looks like real life (for the nature of the product, it couldn't with the current gneration hardware), i was commenting about those people who were calling "real" those two screenshots in the first page. And are you sure your objectivity doesn't turn into the hate? I don't think so.. i'm enjoying this product, I use it every day with my squadron. We all understand that probably due to the niche product, limited resources, etc. the game has the best possible engine it could have today, so we "accept" the situation and we never blame the devs. But accepting it doesn't mean that we don't have the eyes to understand that it is far to be "perfect", and we hope that it will improve. AFAIK DCS have best looking cockpits (any kind, tank, jets, cars -games) that we have on the market and if you are refering to other aspects of screenshots, sure, I have seen better looking clouds but I think most people are refering to that cockpit screenshot and how it looks as whole. I only half agree: limited to some vehicles (A10C, BS2.. etc.) the cockpit (and the whole aircraft) is perfectly reproduced. Something better could be done with the textures tho: they can be improved alot paying much attention to the details (we have seen some example with modded A10C cockpit textures already). The Su25 in the screen of this thread in example doesn't look "perfect", some of the textures used looks artificial (especially in the reflection), and the textures applied to the aircraft: look at the red star on the wing.. i would you call it "great"? I don't. But can we please stop this nonesence when we clearly all understand this is update discussion not the compare dcs with imaginary good looking game. What's the nosense? I can produce better screenshots with the current engine, so i don't quite understand what's the "good" (better) thing that some people are claiming about those screens. I'm sure that those screenshots have been posted just for us to give a look at the new engine and not to show how better the new engine is! This is talking about the game, not about an "imaginary product".
bart Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 At least 5 years. EDIT:- I'd better add that the above is intended to be humorous, before anybody has an aneurysm. Nate LMAO...... System :- i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12 core, ASUS ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming, 64GB Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 3200MHz, 24GB Asus ROG Strix Geforce RTX 3090, 1x 500GB Samsung 980 PRO M.2, 1x 2TB Samsung 980 PRO M.2, Corsair 1000W RMx Series Modular 80 Plus Gold PSU, Windows 10. VIRPIL VPC WarBRD Base with HOTAS Warthog Stick and Warthog Throttle, VIRPIL ACE Interceptor Pedals, VIRPIL VPC Rotor TCS Plus Base with a Hawk-60 Grip, HP Reverb G2.
FoxHoundELite Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 Beautiful! Great work whoever designed that! Please ED, keep an eye on the game FPS and stability as well. FPS?First Person Shooter???? Okay just kidding :D but yeah,what's the point of having good graphic if you cant mantain a good framerate? Feel the Rush of Superior Air Power [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
hannibal Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 At least 5 years. EDIT:- I'd better add that the above is intended to be humorous, before anybody has an aneurysm. Nate Nate IRL, no funny... lol find me on steam! username: Hannibal_A101A http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197969447179
159th_Viper Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 He might have a point: Devs might decide to tank EDGE altogether (bugs etc etc) and proceed with CORNER...... Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
msalama Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 Well, they look real enough for me. Kudos gents & gentettes, top work all around :thumbup: PS. Am I a fanboi now? And if so, who CARES? The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of.
Scarecrow Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 He might have a point: Devs might decide to tank EDGE altogether (bugs etc etc) and proceed with CORNER...... CORNER will of course be truly multi-threaded and support Quad crossfire; Occulus Rift and quantum computing in alternate dimensions where goats have enslaved humanity ?
kk0425 Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 I'm not really sure why one or two trolls always have to nitpick at a screenshot of something that's a WIP. Even so, I have yet to see any game finished or otherwise that looks 100% real. To the devs: Those screenshots look amazing and my jaw literally dropped. Please keep up the hard work, we all (well the majority of us) appreciate it. 1
Raven68 Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 Well, they look real enough for me. Kudos gents & gentettes, top work all around :thumbup: PS. Am I a fanboi now? And if so, who CARES? +100 Intel i5-9600K @ 3.7GHz; Gigabyte Z370XP SLI Mobo; G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB (4 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4080 16GB 256-Bit GDDR6; Thermaltake Water 3.0 Certified Liquid Cooling System Windows 11 Professional HP Reverb G2 /TrackIR 5 in case VR dies; Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog w/ Thrustmaster T-Flight Rudder Pedals
Weta43 Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) npole - I suspect that when edge is finally released, 95% of the time - if you took a screenshot - there'd be things in it that you could point to and say 'compared to game "x" this could be improved'. I think that's true for any game. but the fact is - the whole is greater than the sum of its parts & while obviously individual things are improving (perhaps not fast enough for some ?), I can tell you that in the builds we're testing there are times as I fly along when I just look out the window and think to myself 'that looks SO real' ( - 'if only it were in 3D' :))... .. & I've never really had that in ARMA. No video game is ever going to look ' real' all the time, but the immersion factor seriously is going up. Edited March 15, 2014 by Weta43 Cheers.
upupandaway Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 yes, self shadowing on aircraft and weapons now works from inside cockpit also Absolutely stunning! :) The end of a long road, or maybe more like a waystation. I´m sure it´ll be great. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Deedle, deedle!
Flagrum Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 Three (3) people in this thread used the word "real" to describe the screenshots. (Yes, I DID count it.) I THINK, THEY GOT IT NOW. SO CAN WE PLEASE STOP THIS NOW? Thank you! :o)
VincentLaw Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 He might have a point: Devs might decide to tank EDGE altogether (bugs etc etc) and proceed with CORNER......I propose that CORNER be renamed to VERTEX. That name sounds much more technologically sophisticated. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Flagrum Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 I don't want to misunderstand this, but... what does it mean? Are you testing a 2D version of DCS? :huh: I think, he means depth perception. We only have a 2d projection of 3d objects when we look at our flat computer monitors.
159th_Falcon Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 I propose that CORNER be renamed to VERTEX. That name sounds much more technologically sophisticated. Except that VERTEX is copyrighted by OCZ, so were back to square 1. ONTOPIC, i think those screenshots look excellent and do show a massive improvement over what we have now. If the performance improves likewise we may just have a winner once EDGE comes out. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] The keeper of all mathematical knowledge and the oracle of flight modeling.:)
VincentLaw Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 I think, he means depth perception. We only have a 2d projection of 3d objects when we look at our flat computer monitors.Speaking of which, I wonder if Oculus rift support will be an EDGE specific feature? (Although it's kind of irrelevant if the old IG is completely dropped before it is supported.) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Robin_Hood Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 Not commenting on the screenshots themselves (my God, the never-ending debates...), but I am still puzzled by something that has been pointed out in the early pages, and I would like to get back to it. I thought it was said that the Caucasus map could not posibly work in the new IG, and would have to be redone from scratch for that to be possible. From the Nevage/EDGE FAQ: Will the Black Sea map in its current form work with EDGE? No. Since the technology behind EDGE is dramatically different, down to the tools that create it, terrain needs to be built with the EDGE benefits in mind. This is a HUGE undertaking and not an easy task to redo something. HOWEVER, it has been stated that the Black Sea map is not going anywhere. So, this has apparently changed, since we now have screenshots of the very Black Sea map running in EDGE. I'm just puzzled by the contradiction, but hey, if it's just thatt ED figured a way to have the old map work in the new IG, then that is a great news by itself (maybe that should have been the news, then !) 2nd French Fighter Squadron
159th_Viper Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 EVERYTHING is subject to change. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
ENO Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 Not commenting on the screenshots themselves (my God, the never-ending debates...), but I am still puzzled by something that has been pointed out in the early pages, and I would like to get back to it. I thought it was said that the Caucasus map could not posibly work in the new IG, and would have to be redone from scratch for that to be possible. From the Nevage/EDGE FAQ: So, this has apparently changed, since we now have screenshots of the very Black Sea map running in EDGE. I'm just puzzled by the contradiction, but hey, if it's just thatt ED figured a way to have the old map work in the new IG, then that is a great news by itself (maybe that should have been the news, then !) Please, let's not go through that again. A map is a map... Graphics renderer is not a map :) EDGE is new graphics renderer (directx 11) and Nevada is the new map. These shots are from existing map running in new graphics renderer. http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2020701&postcount=71 "ENO" Type in anger and you will make the greatest post you will ever regret. "Sweetest's" Military Aviation Art
Nate--IRL-- Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 Not commenting on the screenshots themselves (my God, the never-ending debates...), but I am still puzzled by something that has been pointed out in the early pages, and I would like to get back to it. I thought it was said that the Caucasus map could not posibly work in the new IG, and would have to be redone from scratch for that to be possible. From the Nevage/EDGE FAQ: So, this has apparently changed, since we now have screenshots of the very Black Sea map running in EDGE. I'm just puzzled by the contradiction, but hey, if it's just thatt ED figured a way to have the old map work in the new IG, then that is a great news by itself (maybe that should have been the news, then !) Note the terrain in the Black sea does not take advantage of all of the edge features, to do so would require a complete rebuild of the terrain. Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
Flagrum Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 Not commenting on the screenshots themselves (my God, the never-ending debates...), but I am still puzzled by something that has been pointed out in the early pages, and I would like to get back to it. I thought it was said that the Caucasus map could not posibly work in the new IG, and would have to be redone from scratch for that to be possible. From the Nevage/EDGE FAQ: So, this has apparently changed, since we now have screenshots of the very Black Sea map running in EDGE. I'm just puzzled by the contradiction, but hey, if it's just thatt ED figured a way to have the old map work in the new IG, then that is a great news by itself (maybe that should have been the news, then !) Afaik ED never confirmed "yes, Georgia map will run under EDGE", but it was always clear (to me at least) that the map could not possibly be dropped by ED and leave us with only Nevada in the future. So there were then two options: a) let Georgia run under the old engine and Nevada under EDGE b) make Georgia run under EDGE as would Nevada Option a) would be technological suicide - maintaining two different graphics engines. What would be the benefit - it would only complicate things A LOT. Option b) seems the logical way: make the Georgia map data displayable under EDGE. I.e. convert the data to the new EDGE format, possibly by automated tools, even if Georgia - without adding manual work - would perhaps not be able to make use of many of the new features EDGE may provides.
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