Another ED modules is...F-15C?

[WildBillKelsoe]

it would be my dream come true if DCS F-16 Block 50/52 is the next module.

[OttoPus]

DCS F-16?

Speaking about money, I feel that a lot of BMS, FF and Falcon AF would gladly switch to DCS in a split second.

 

A lot of €€€ to ED, Graphics Engine and new scenery upgrades come faster, and we will all have a simgasm :D

[SkateZilla]

im gonna laugh when it's DCS FW190

[Snoopy]

Don't tell me, that you don't know, what "DCS: Next" is....

 

Honestly we don't....

[Suchacz]

im gonna laugh when it's DCS FW190

An US jet is announced... but as we know - Everything is subject to change ©

[ALDEGA]

I think that what we're seeing in FC3 now is the remnants of a planned Eagle module.

Reminds me of that A-10A pit ...

 

[Demongornot]

Yeah i have think about this me too.

A10A -> A10C

F-15C -> F15E

I hope it will be the Hornet (it can't be the super hornet, i'm sure of that cause of something ED say) or the F-15E, but i hope it don't will be any F-16 or F-15C, F-16 we already have too many simulator for this and we also have a lot of free things for some of them, like Falcon BMS 4.32.

And the F-15C Really ? what bad choice ? we already stuck to do only air/ground for the moment with 2,5 aircraft, you now want to be stuck to air combat only ?

F-15E can be great cause its a MULTIROLE, available for ground strike, also for air combat and a lot of other task that A10C and F-15C together can't do, possibility to have a payload bigger than the A10, and he still have the dogfight and maneuverability of the F-15C, and actually a 3party develop an hardcore version of the F22 Raptor, so no, the F-15E was NOT too modern, mainly when we know that the C upgrade for the A10A its more recent than the F-15E.

Anyways if it was an F-15C i think i don't will buy it, like i do for FC3, same for any F-16, we already have falcon for this.

Its time for the Hornet or the Strike Eagle, we already have the F-15C with FC3, its not an hardcore version, but its enough, cause basically, FC3 its already overpriced for almost nothing (no new aircraft and a small update of already existent things, even the FREE SU-25T are more advanced and complex than all FC3 aircraft together cause of the AFM) and basically the 3D cockpit of the F-15C its the ONLY big change, importing aircraft from FC2 to DCSW its not a big change, its just an importing...And if the next aircraft was the F-15C, basically a lot of people who have buy FC3 only for the F-15 will finally have buy FC3 for nothing if an F-15C hardcore coming, its like if after the first flaming cliff the first hardcore aircraft was a SU-25T, why buy FC1 then ?

F-15E or Hornet maybe, but F-15C i hope no, and its too many restrictive, and everything you can do/feel with the F-15C you can do with the F-15E.

[Exorcet]

And the F-15C Really ? what bad choice ? we already stuck to do only air/ground for the moment with 2,5 aircraft, you now want to be stuck to air combat only ?

 

Yes. Though, really it's more because it's single seat. I'd like the F-15F over the E, too bad it doesn't exist. Even then, I'd still like a C model.

 

On F-16, I originally said no because of Falcon, but Falcon can't connect with DCS World and the physics aren't as good. DCS Falcon makes a lot of sense, even if it's not my preferred plane.

 

 

 

we already have the F-15C with FC3, its not an hardcore version, but its enough, cause basically, FC3 its already overpriced for almost nothing (no new aircraft and a small update of already existent things, even the FREE SU-25T are more advanced and complex than all FC3 aircraft together cause of the AFM) and basically the 3D cockpit of the F-15C its the ONLY big change, importing aircraft from FC2 to DCSW its not a big change, its just an importing...And if the next aircraft was the F-15C, basically a lot of people who have buy FC3 only for the F-15 will finally have buy FC3 for nothing if an F-15C hardcore coming

If AFM is such a big deal, why is the FC3 F-15 "enough". I certainly don't think it is. Also, FC3 by nature of being an import gave us tons of new stuff. And the really huge change, AFM missile. As for DCS F-15 making FC3 obsolete, hardly. I'm ready for DCS F-15 and would buy it today after just buying FC3. I'd then have FC3 to fly Russian aircraft, as well as provide Russian adversaries for my F-15 online. There's also the AFM Su-25 you can only get in FC3, and the A-10A is actually a good substitute for the A-10C in mission testing.

 

everything you can do/feel with the F-15C you can do with the F-15E.

I want my stone age cockpit.

[Neor]

IRIS and RAZBAM want to make a F-15E. Im sure ED will not make the E version too.

[ralfidude]

Multiple parties creating same planes... waste of time.

 

 

 

In anycase, I have tried to make the best out of the shitty situation currently in FC3 from all the crashing and bugs associated with it (including a messed up radar), but putting Phoenix missiles on my F-15. Not the most manouverable things in the world, but omg are they beautiful!

[Demongornot]

Yes but DCS its not the center of the universe, its just the more recent sim, that the only credit it have, cause its far to be good, physic are nice for aircraft, but its the only good point, a lot of people use Falcon, Free, Open, BMS, and they for sure want to experiment something else than always the F-16, and this aircraft its nice but that's all, its a standard jet, nothing exceptionable, even the French Mirage 2000 its better, maybe the second US aircraft after the first new US jet fighter can be the Falcon, but in first choice, it will be a bad choice...So basically like i said DCS its not the center of the universe, that Falcon can connect or not with DCS we already have an F-16, and for a really low price, and BMS 4.32 physic are not perfect but it was really updated, the only credit for the physic that DCS have its cause it was modern, DCS 10 year ago will be totally obsolete now, and if any other company make a new simulator who coming for 2013/2014, DCS will be obsolete, every new sim its more realistic, avionic, physic and everything, and for me DCS its far to be realistic for a lot of reason, and BMS don't need 3 patch par hours cause it was bug less, i have never see any bug in BMS, every good coder will told you that when new patch add more bug, its cause the coder was bad, and the AI in BMS was better.

And a lot of people like me don't use the multiplayer, its hard to find serious people, and its full of bug, a lot of time more bug than single player.

 

For Single Seat its mean nothing now, look at the Huey, it will permit 4 people, Pilot, copilot (i'm not sure but i think so), and two gunner, and also if we forget the possibility to use an AI as copilot/pilot, no one prevents us to be alone in the cockpit, all functions are available to the pilot, the RIO just help the pilot, but that's all.

You know the real utility of the RIO ? -> http://militaryhumor.net/out-of-flares :D

 

And the true question it is, if the next aircraft was the F-15C, why the FC3 Eagle don't have any AFM ? the next aircraft was already prepared since long time, maybe it begin before the release of the A10C Beta, ED always work to several aircraft in the same time, basically an AFM can be already done since long time, and it was a waste of time (and money fos customers) to make the F-15C the only good point of FC3 and after make DCS F-15C, FC3 into DCS for my its a really bad idea, its a lot of time simpler to use FC3 aircraft than DCS aircraft, actual DCS Aircraft have NO WAY to do dogfight.

If the P51 was locked and a missile coming at him, the pilot have no way to know it, if a fighter try to shot with gun the A10C or the KA-50, how the hell you can expect to survive, mainly with fighter simple to use ? And what change ? Ricardo cockpit ? yeah haha, paid for something free, other aircraft than the F-15 ? they are ALL already available with FC2, 3D cockpit ? don't kidding me, i'm sure if ED give SDK tool to community we can already have 3D cockpit for ALL FC aircraft, and a lot of aircraft with the same quality and every other FC3 aircraft, but ED don't care, missile physic ? yeah that's cool, full of bug, and basically i'm sure it was also available for DCS itself with patch 1.2.2, all change you see in FC3 from FC2 its just all the possibility of DCS that FC profit, FC3 its just a pack of aircraft, and landing ? its just a tweak, it don't justify 40$, far from it, its a ridiculous cost for a simple aircraft pack without even any new aircraft, for me FC3 its a bad joke, that's all, and for the SU-25, just use the 25T without systems and you get your 25, its the same idea than use the A10A for testing the A10C mission anyways, it follow your logic, and i don' talk about DCS F15, i talk about DCS F15C, the E will be a good choice.

 

And for your stone age cockpit you have the P51D.

 

And don't forget that 3 party have no idea of what ED next aircraft will be, and 3 party was coming AFTER ED decide the next aircraft, and how can you know that some 3 party aircraft will not be canceled, after all its what happen to the Nevada map initially expected to be created by 3 party...And imagine if both 3 Party F-15E are far to be realistic, complex but not realistic ? its possible...

And the same question, if ED already done an updated the F-15C with FC3, why the hell they planed to make DCS F-15C, why not make people the possibility to enjoy Russian advanced aircraft with 3D cockpit (rather than make us paid for a free addon) for have a nice adversary for the futur DCS F-15C the time that the second aircraft, maybe a Russian coming ?

 

And since all the time we wait FC3, why the hell we have only the F-15C with 3D cockpit ? if even all aircraft have 3D cockpit and the jet engine sound was not the ridiculous old one from LOMAC and if f....ng visual effect of vapor while transonic and high alpha was implanted (it don't took long time to do some vapor effect, for ED who have all SDK/Tools it can take some hours/minutes) I would have bought FC3, but actually haha funny joke but no thanks...Mainly with all new bugs...

 

If the next aircraft was supposed to be the F-15C, the FC3 F-15C will have had the AFM.

[Dejjvid]

and BMS don't need 3 patch par hours cause it was bug less, i have never see any bug in BMS, every good coder will told you that when new patch add more bug, its cause the coder was bad, and the AI in BMS was better.

And a lot of people like me don't use the multiplayer, its hard to find serious people, and its full of bug, a lot of time more bug than single player.

 

You must be joking right?

 

//Dejjvid - Both DCS and BMS pilot.

[Silver_Dragon]

some problems on your definition of ED:

 

ED has "obsolete"

If you compare 10 years ago "LOMAC", yes, now has obsolete, but now DCS:W (may 2012) has not obsolete:

- A best Helicopter simulator ever. (from military contract by russian army)

- A best Mud Mover simulater ever (from military contract by Usa Air National Guard)

- A great WW2 simulated airplane. (simulation community forums and air real pilots put them with a great realistic simulator and acurated system)

- A Free core module when you can pilot helos and airplanes and make JTACs and Ground commanders (expected vehicles, naval vessels and more in the future).

- Six 3rd Parties develop add-ons plus others seven on some stages of develop (approx 27 projects)

 

The ED 2012 roarmap has near to complete (only a project can left to release) and you catalogue them with a lost.

 

And ED has working on military projects on backyard, can be BMS on them?

 

Remember, Falcon Free / BMS, etc has only a 3rd Party modding a Falcon hard locked by Atary, BMS only mod the open files of falcon (a great work), but don´t can make any progress on the hard code (upgrade engine motor or put new functionality) or Atary take legal actions over there.

 

i'm sure if ED give SDK tool to community we can already have 3D cockpit for ALL FC aircraft

form SDK to the community.... you don´t pass by "How To" section or 3D models: http://forums.eagle.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=202

Great improvements has making on the last 6 mouths, and you catalogue them by a lost? you don´t look the reality.

 

The multicrew, AFM, system and other funtionality has been make by the 3rd parties, but need implemented first on DCS:W to use them, if the core system has not update that functionality make useless.

 

Your request of a SDK will take very long time but now the comunity has make great improvement to ED, take a look to the Bersimtech or Beczl will put on them.

 

And don't forget that 3 party have no idea of what ED next aircraft will be

Do you Know NDA rules of contract? you can´t share information or lost your licence or assume legal action vs Infraction.

 

FC3 has not a bad joke, has a very good option to people don´t like hardcore simulator style to starting on a combat sim. And remembre FC3 has on BETA stage, the cockpits and other functionality can be integrated on them when that finished.

Edited November 12, 2012 by Silver_Dragon

[EtherealN]

DCS 10 year ago will be totally obsolete now

 

DCS did not exist 10 years ago, and you forget that DCS World receives constant updates. It's not abandonware like Falcon, it's an actively supported platform for simulations of both aircraft and other systems.

 

Yes there are some bugs. Any software that is actively being developed will have bugs. The only way to avoid this is to stop updating the software with new features. That's reality.

 

And the true question it is, if the next aircraft was the F-15C, why the FC3 Eagle don't have any AFM ?

 

If we assume there is a DCS F-15C in the works, why are you assuming that it's associated flight model would:

 

A) Be ready?

B) Be given to FC3?

 

Regarding the F-15E, as previously mentioned there are already Strike Eagles in development for DCS World. Also, don't make the mistake of thinking that the mudhen is "multirole" in the same sense as, say, an F-16, Gripen or something like that. It certainly could be - if you remove the conformals (and thus gimp your A2G payload severely). But with the conformals on you basically have self-escort capability for your strike missions.

 

...but with Conformals off and a pure A2A loadout, you have a pimped F-15C with extra powerful engines. But little to no A2G funs to be had...

 

Anyhow, Demongornot, you're making an awful lot of assumptions in your post. You are stating things as fact that you quite simply have no way of knowing. You do not know what communication ED has with licensed third parties, and no knowledge about the aircraft selection process and (as it seems) very little grasp of the aircraft development process. It's a complicated thing that requires a lot of work before you even have a prototype.

[EtherealN]

FC3 has not a bad joke, has a very good option to people don´t like hardcore simulator style to starting on a combat sim.

 

Agreed. And the hardcore people (like me) tend to forget that even within the niche of combat simulation they are a minority.

[Steel Jaw]

If we assume there is a DCS F-15C in the works

 

Dude, this playing coy by ED is most aggravating. ;)

 

What is the big harry deal is just committing to it now and telling us...are thing really that undecided...?

 

Cheers.

[EtherealN]

Dude, this playing coy by ED is most aggravating. ;)

 

What is the big harry deal is just committing to it now and telling us...are thing really that undecided...?

 

Cheers.

 

Yes, you see, I'm aaaaalmost done convincing them to do the AT-802U. Sooo close.

[Demongornot]

Too many answer i'm so lazy to all answer, so, for about useless debat and a long post for proof you (all) wrong, i just will say : OK

 

And i still hope it not will be the F-15C or the F-16 and hope for the E or an Hornet, only air to air will be boring...

[Mt5_Roie]

Spruce Goose....bring on the Spruce Goose! Will make good use of all that ocean we fly around in.

[Neor]

The "hope" is not important for the next module... Look at the facts, and then you can see just the f-15c. Sure you can still hope the next airplane is a F18c,d,e... But i can not see any indications for that. What i see with FC3 is a real pritty F-15C, thats it!

[PE_Tigar]

At this stage, I'd give my money for any reasonably capable, relatively accurate fast mover. And by fast, I mean supersonic. And by reasonably capable, I mean at least one MFD+look down/shoot down radar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually I'm joking, I'd buy anything that has AFM. Yes, anything.

[Suchacz]

F15 in FC3, two 3rd party F15s and one from ED? WOW, Eagle lovers can celebrate :doh:

[Neor]

If you look at this Poll you can say that the F15c not the best choice is...

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=51462&page=565

[AtaliaA1]

Same here, they are going to need to throw us a bone soon because with the rise of 3rd party support, our dollars can only go so far and they need to give us something to look forward to.

 

ED needs to strike while the iron is hot, waiting to long will mean that they have to deal with a market saturated by 3rd party offerings (and few of them look very promising).

 

 

Remember the "Original Software" is DCSs', so any "Third Paty" will be paying DCS for use of their engine. More Money More time and resources

to focus on improvments. It's a good Business Model when you think about it.

[BRooDJeRo]

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