Hydras are to weak!!!!

[[Knight]]

Personally I think that the hydras don't do what they need to do against tanks. I shot a T72 with 80+ hydras and still didn't die, I shot the top, rear and sides no effect whats so ever. I tried a T-55 from the same era as the Huey and still nothing. Somebody explain please.

Edited May 7, 2013 by [Knight]

[Watari]

also the MG of the door gunner is too weak in my opinion even on softtargets!!

but ive heard a big huey update is coming

[sorcer3r]

Huey vs tanks? oO

[159th_Viper]

Somebody explain please.

 

I'd hazard a guess and say the Hydras are not anti-tank ordnance.

[ebabil]

we are just trying to take off and land, never mind dealing with tanks lol

[cichlidfan]

I'd hazard a guess and say the Hydras are not anti-tank ordnance.

 

They don't have any significant effect on a Armed Barracks either. ;)

[Napa]

Until I learn how to get from point A to point B they will release a couple more patches and all those issues will be long gone.

[rabid_monkey]

Until I learn how to get from point A to point B they will release a couple more patches and all those issues will be long gone.

 

Tanks vs hydras...... tanks win. The Huey is for soft targets/infantry. It isn't an anti-tank platform.

[Grim_Smiles]

Came across this when doing a search awhile back for info about the Vietnam era Cobra. PT-76 is a light tank so if Hydras didn't penetrate armor but only disabled the vehicle and killed crew, I can't see them taking down a T-72.

 

[Sundowner.pl]

Came across this when doing a search awhile back for info about the Vietnam era Cobra. PT-76 is a light tank so if Hydras didn't penetrate armor but only disabled the vehicle and killed crew, I can't see them taking down a T-72.

 

http://imageshack.us/a/img393/6254/cobrano0.jpg

Note that there were no HEAT warheads for 2.75" FFARS in Vietnam - the Mk.5 was then only in US Navy ordnance, and in Army stateside, and Europe. Anyway Mk.5 was at this time already very weak round. That tank was attacked with M151 10-pound HE rounds. That and few other instances from that war forced the introduction of M247 dual purpose round that I'm writing about here:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=105763

 

It was a nice round that had the front end of M72 LAW and half of the 17-pound HE-FRAG warhead. Still the penetration wouldn't be enough for T-62, T-72, T-80 or T-90 front armor, but would penetrate T-55 all around, and those other tanks from the top and rear. It have 5.5 times better penetration than the Warthog gun... think about that.

Edited May 8, 2013 by Sundowner.pl

[BIGNEWY]

Personally I feel hydra's have been given a boost already with the huey

 

and very accurate with the HUEY

[cichlidfan]

...and very accurate with the HUEY

 

I'll agree that they go where they are aimed, within a certain range, but getting the damned helo to stay pointed where I want is a whole different matter. :D

 

Six shots to hit one big barracks! :cry:

[BRooDJeRo]

Shooting something is still a different alley for me, for now i'm still trying to stabilize the 'tumblecopter'.

[Haukka81]

All rokects in dcs are way too weak, even truks dont care those if impact is not direct. Maybe sharpnel effect is not ready yet ?

 

 

 

-haukka81

[Sundowner.pl]

and very accurate with the HUEY

I only shoot couple from hover, I've mostly fired them in shallow dives, but I haven't noticed them weather-vane, which they should do:

 

(45kts sideways flight)

 

As for angular accuracy... seems ok-ish for Mk.66 (which can't be fired from the M158 launcher mind you ;) )

[71st_Mastiff]

there physics enabled, I seen them effected ballistics and weather effected also..

 

I also fire them only one salvo at a time. I hit my targets with great accuracy.. :pilotfly::thumbup:

[element1108]

I'd hazard a guess and say the Hydras are not anti-tank ordnance.

 

 

I'd second that...it's not in any way a tank killer. It's a lightly soft target gunship and troop/utility transport.

 

That said it's still in BETA so assume that things are being tweaked...(although maybe not the hydra's against tanks).

[Dejjvid]

Shrapnel is not simulated. 4 HE rockets detonating close to a soft skin will definitely damage it severely. I reckon the biggest issue is the damage model for the vehicles, now you can either destroy a vehicle or not. IRL tanks and trucks doesn't blow up when hit every time, especially trucks being hit with 7.62.

[[Knight]]

I agree that hydras may not be anti-tank rockets but 80+ rockets hitting a tank should kill it. If I was shot I'd lose something on my aircraft rather it be electrics or pilot , shooting a tank should be the same way like the main gun or machine gun gets destroyed. might be something for ED to mess around with in CA but that would fix the problem. Besides if your going to make a sim all that should be implemented in it anyways that's what separates games from sims. Any way the top and rear of a tank is the weakest and I believe that a couple of hydras in the right spot would do the trick.

Edited May 8, 2013 by [Knight]

[Sundowner.pl]

Now here's the real question: how well the armor zones of tanks are simulated in DCS ?

 

Because you CAN destroy T-55 or T-72 using FFAR. I used 14 (fourteen) Mk.5 HEAT tipped hydras to take out the T-55, shooting at its back. Around twice as much to take out the T-72 (I lost count). One Mk.5 into the engine cover should do the trick setting the vehicle on fire, but they act like sponge, taking rounds until a certain number of "hit points" is reached. Probably could kill it with Willie Pete too :music_whistling:

[msalama]

80+ rockets hitting a tank should kill it.

How do you know all 80 actually hit where it counts?

 

I believe that a couple of hydras in the right spot would do the trick.

Yeah, well, I sometimes believe all kinds of things too. The thruth, however, may lie entirely elsewhere.

 

Not saying you're wrong, though. Just noting that you haven't actually presented any evidence whatsoever to buttress up your argument so far. But yeah, fragmentation modelling in DCS may still be off too, so there's that...

[[Knight]]

The Huey carries 38 hydras I died 3 time shot the same tank for all of my sorties crashing in to it twice and on the second time I crashed into the tank it finally died. So 114 rockets, that I fired roughly within 100 feet from me to the tank @ a 30 to 45 degree pitch down, I think the odds of hitting a supposed weak spot were good. Now not all of them were direct hits but you get the point I'm trying to make.

Edited May 8, 2013 by [Knight]

[shagrat]

The Huey carries 38 hydras I died 3 time shot the same tank for all of my sorties crashing in to it twice and on the second time I crashed into the tank it finally died. So 114 rockets, that I fired roughly within 100 feet from me to the tank @ a 30 to 45 degree pitch down, I think the odds of hitting a supposed weak spot were good. Now not all of them were direct hits but you get the point I'm trying to make.

So these were M151 High-Explosive FFAR ? They were designed to kill troops and light vehicles and suppress enemy fire.

How should a blast with some minor shrapnel actually penetrate a Tank armor (build to withstand impacts of small to medium caliber rounds)?

 

So basically the Hydra is a blast fragmentation head that showers the Tank with shrapnel like normal "bullets". Would you expect even 4000-5000 standard rifle bullets to do major damage to a Tank?

 

Next time you have some firecrackers do a simple experiment. Put a plastic bucket upside down on your lawn an throw some firecrackers at it. I guess the blast won't do much harm. If you can spare the bucket put one below the bucket and put a brick on top (get some distance!!!)

 

What sucks is the blast effect against troops. It is like you actually need to hit a soldier directly, where it should kill them at a radius of 90-120 ft. :doh:

[Nubbit]

I agree that hydras may not be anti-tank rockets but 80+ rockets hitting a tank should kill it. If I was shot I'd lose something on my aircraft rather it be electrics or pilot , shooting a tank should be the same way like the main gun or machine gun gets destroyed. might be something for ED to mess around with in CA but that would fix the problem. Besides if your going to make a sim all that should be implemented in it anyways that's what separates games from sims. Any way the top and rear of a tank is the weakest and I believe that a couple of hydras in the right spot would do the trick.

 

 

"If I was shot I'd lose something on my aircraft rather it be electrics or pilot"

-Your aircraft is not a tank, just over 2 pounds of explosives will do very bad things to it.

 

 

"shooting a tank should be the same way like the main gun or machine gun gets destroyed. might be something for ED to mess around with in CA but that would fix the problem."

-The tank is actually a tank, 2 pounds of high explosive is like throwing boogers at a rhinocerous.

 

 

The phrase "Built like a tank" did not come out of nowhere.

 

 

"Any way the top and rear of a tank is the weakest and I believe that a couple of hydras in the right spot would do the trick."

-Reality disagrees strongly and believes otherwise.

[71st_Mastiff]

I guess being from the Military I have never seen Hydra's fired at tanks, only soft Armour vehicles and or infantry.

 

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