Grim_Smiles Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I received word today that they decided to terminate the project. Can't say I'm surprised, when the kickstarter failed I figured it was a long shot he'd get other funding. Oh well, at least with DCS F-35 going away maybe now my stalker will get a life. Probably not though. "Hurled headlong flaming from the ethereal sky; With hideous ruin and combustion down; To bottomless perdition, there to dwell; In adamantine chains and penal fire" (RIG info is outdated, will update at some point) i5 @3.7GHz (OC to 4.1), 16GB DDR3, Nvidia GTX 970 4GB, TrackIR 5 & TrackClip Pro, TM Warthog HOTAS, VKB T-Rudder Mk.IV, Razer Blackshark Headset, Obutto Ozone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ff4life4 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Also I've noticed his website is gone. Wonder if they closed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrking Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 not such a big loss...That fighter its on complete category of FC series. That plane gonna fight alone in fc3. I think the FC needs more fighter that the simulation already have and only AI flys like F5, F14, F16, F18, MIGs, Mirages, Tornado and some other variations of F15 and others USA fighters/bombers and Russians Sukhois and MIGs. agreed.. more modules of aircraft within the current theater of operations would be good and would allow for fun and more realistic scenarios. the only flyable for georgia is the su-25 and 25T which is a pain. lz-39? the f-16 for turkey would be good. an su-24 would also be good as i think its still in service with the ukraine and russia? Su-27 Flanker 1995 Super EF2000 1997 Jane's F/A-18 1999 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrking Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Shoooot, I'd Do it... Call it "The Dino AI Aircraft Pack!" All he'd have to do is Host/Send them to me, And I'd convert them all to DCS AI Standard, Convert the Liveries, Add the Connectors, Animate them, export them and get them in game and going. It'll only get him more publicity. and Slap a link to his DONATE Page in the docs more A.I. controlled aircraft is never a bad thing.. Su-27 Flanker 1995 Super EF2000 1997 Jane's F/A-18 1999 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Shoooot, I'd Do it... Call it "The Dino AI Aircraft Pack!" All he'd have to do is Host/Send them to me, And I'd convert them all to DCS AI Standard, Convert the Liveries, Add the Connectors, Animate them, export them and get them in game and going. It'll only get him more publicity. and Slap a link to his DONATE Page in the docs That would be awesome! DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winfield_Gold Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Won't be the last 3rd party developer to announce a project, get everybody's hopes up, release a few images of the WIP and then pull the pin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westr Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 I had no idea about the F-35 kickstarter until it was to late. Had I known, had it been better promoted I would have donated, yes it would have been great fun to have an F-35 in DCS. RYZEN 7 3700X Running at 4.35 GHz NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080Ti 32gb DDR4 RAM @3200 MHz Oculus CV1 NvME 970 EVO TM Warthog Stick & Throttle plus 11" extension. VKB T-Rudder MKIV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted October 23, 2013 ED Team Share Posted October 23, 2013 not such a big loss...That fighter its on complete category of FC series. That plane gonna fight alone in fc3. I think the FC needs more fighter that the simulation already have and only AI flys like F5, F14, F16, F18, MIGs, Mirages, Tornado and some other variations of F15 and others USA fighters/bombers and Russians Sukhois and MIGs. Its a big loss in the fact that we lost a potential 3rd Party developer, perhaps if he would have received a better welcome he would have considered changing to another aircraft, but instead he has left all together... Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlawal2 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 The hypocrisy on this site is unbelievable... Folks here crucify the guy and beat him unmercifuly because "We have to have an A-10 quality simulation or nothing at all!!" "There isn't enough information to do it justice, blah blah blah.."... Then these same geniuses have this great idea about "porting" some half-a@@ed FSX model into DCS and all kinds of folks chime in.. Oh me, me, me I want that... What a clueless bunch.. "Pride is a poor substitute for intelligence." RAMBO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 I dont know how to take that or if it was directed at me. But: I for one supported Kinney Interactive from Day One, and even aided in explaining how to get the module started (basic setup of LUAs and Folders, exporting model, setting up texture/liveries etc). Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted October 23, 2013 ED Team Share Posted October 23, 2013 The hypocrisy on this site is unbelievable... Folks here crucify the guy and beat him unmercifuly because "We have to have an A-10 quality simulation or nothing at all!!" "There isn't enough information to do it justice, blah blah blah.."... Then these same geniuses have this great idea about "porting" some half-a@@ed FSX model into DCS and all kinds of folks chime in.. Oh me, me, me I want that... What a clueless bunch.. I am sure there is some catchy quote I could use here, but bottom line is this statement is really just as bad as anything else, trashing peoples ideas, plans or such isnt very mature, and doesnt go any distance to make this a better community, it only helps to fracture it more. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Busutil Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 The hypocrisy on this site is unbelievable... Folks here crucify the guy and beat him unmercifuly because "We have to have an A-10 quality simulation or nothing at all!!" "There isn't enough information to do it justice, blah blah blah.."... Then these same geniuses have this great idea about "porting" some half-a@@ed FSX model into DCS and all kinds of folks chime in.. Oh me, me, me I want that... What a clueless bunch.. :thumbup::megalol: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Checkout my user files here: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/?CREATED_BY=Mike%20Busutil&set_filter=Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted October 23, 2013 ED Team Share Posted October 23, 2013 :thumbup::megalol: :doh: Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotorhead Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 The hypocrisy on this site is unbelievable... Folks here crucify the guy and beat him unmercifuly because "We have to have an A-10 quality simulation or nothing at all!!" "There isn't enough information to do it justice, blah blah blah.."... Then these same geniuses have this great idea about "porting" some half-a@@ed FSX model into DCS and all kinds of folks chime in.. Oh me, me, me I want that... What a clueless bunch.. Where's that facepalm emoticon when one needs it...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Where's that facepalm emoticon when one needs it...? Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven68 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Where's that facepalm emoticon when one needs it...? And another for good measure... Intel i5-9600K @ 3.7GHz Gigabyte Z370XP SLI Mobo G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 2070 8GB 256-Bit GDDR6(Assume the latest driver version) Thermaltake Water 3.0 Certified Liquid Cooling System Windows 10 Professional Oculus Rift-S /TrackIR 5 in case VR dies Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog w/ Thrustmaster T-Flight Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theOden Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 The hypocrisy on this site is unbelievable... Folks here crucify the guy and beat him unmercifuly because "We have to have an A-10 quality simulation or nothing at all!!" "There isn't enough information to do it justice, blah blah blah.."... Then these same geniuses have this great idea about "porting" some half-a@@ed FSX model into DCS and all kinds of folks chime in.. Oh me, me, me I want that... What a clueless bunch.. I assume you've actually checked and verified those were the same people. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRG-Vampire Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) i would have been happy with that f-35 but i think the ks campaign was too short (only two weeks) on kickstarter: that was the main reason why KI failed imho - a month or two would have been better another reason was the lack of paypal - look: RRG studio solved this problem wisely in last days of their founding period - if they do it much more earlier they could have collect even more pledges and as i see the problem is that all the 3rd parties want to make "big things" without small steps - making something great is very hard in dcsw i mean small steps: 1st step: nice external model as AI. if you have the 3D model then it's easy but not profitable - i understand - except: if ED buy that 3D model and they put to dcsw 2nd step: nice cockpit model with SFM i know many player dont like SFM, but this is the next step. AFM and DCS-AFM needs years so SFM alrady done in 1st step (for AI) but it is usable for humanplayer as well. of coure they need to make working cockpit functions 3rd step AFM - authentic flight dynamics (like FC3 level A-10A or Su-25A) and finally the hardest 4th step: DCS level - making everything just like DCS:Warthog A-10C this needs years and no profit till this time if they choose this last step as their first step in dcsw so as i see many 3rd parties already made nice 3D models but they wont bring those models as AI to DCSW because this "small step" is not remunerative - i guess they think it however the community is hungry for new aircrafts - for AIs too imho i would happily buy new "only" AI edm models for $5-10 if thousands of players can purchase these model then it would be a good revenue to the model maker - but the problem: he cant protect the model so there is only small chance to bring new models into dcsw (if ed makes it) or ask freeware (fsx or sfs) model makers to do this Edited October 23, 2013 by NRG-Vampire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotorhead Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 ^ I don't think that selling AI plane for money is a good idea, nor am I personally fond of SFM planes, but otherwise I'm fully with you on that small steps thing. All those secrecy concerns aside, modeling such an advanced aircraft into full DCS standard would be tremendous amount of work. Just imagine coding all the avionics! I'm no expert at all, but I think I will not be so wrong when I say that completing DCS: F-35 would be difficult goal even for an experienced developer, let alone someone with zero experience with DCS. They should definitely pick something less complex for the start IMO. And, KI's attitude towards all those problems came across as over-confident to some (including me), which didn't help the matters either. But all that was already discussed million times before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven68 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 My personal belief would be that they ran into a road block called Lockeed Martin, but that is my personal opinion only... I'm more inclined to go along with this being the major roadblock for KI. Although no details are available I believe this to be a major hurdle, even for ED also. Recall the wait we had for the Huey from Belsimtek. Again no details on the legalities they encountered, but they existed. Intel i5-9600K @ 3.7GHz Gigabyte Z370XP SLI Mobo G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 2070 8GB 256-Bit GDDR6(Assume the latest driver version) Thermaltake Water 3.0 Certified Liquid Cooling System Windows 10 Professional Oculus Rift-S /TrackIR 5 in case VR dies Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog w/ Thrustmaster T-Flight Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeLKMT Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 I don't know why should LM block them. I mean, they obviously could use only public information so what's the big deal? Nobody stopped DC doing F-35A/B/C and his first version is even included in Prepar3D. ■ L-39C/ZA Czech cockpit mod ■ My DCS skins ■ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted October 23, 2013 ED Team Share Posted October 23, 2013 I don't know why should LM block them. I mean, they obviously could use only public information so what's the big deal? Nobody stopped DC doing F-35A/B/C and his first version is even included in Prepar3D. yeah but if any company is going to make money off of a simulation of one of their products, why wouldnt they want to get in on that action? $$$... As for Prepar3D, whose product is that again?? ;) Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) I don't know why should LM block them. I mean, they obviously could use only public information so what's the big deal? Nobody stopped DC doing F-35A/B/C and his first version is even included in Prepar3D. Lockheed is Picky, When it comes to Licensing, They jumped on a few other Developers and Publishers over the years over Aircraft that aren't even in Active Service anymore. Edited October 23, 2013 by SkateZilla Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeLKMT Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Well, I'm not denying anything, it wouldn't be the first time manufacturer stomped on sim developer (like Gulfstream or Dassault). But it's still all speculation. :) ■ L-39C/ZA Czech cockpit mod ■ My DCS skins ■ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven68 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Considering how small this market is, why even bother since the returns are hardly noticeable to the shareholders? I know every dollar "counts" but this is like getting water from a turnip!!:noexpression: Intel i5-9600K @ 3.7GHz Gigabyte Z370XP SLI Mobo G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 2070 8GB 256-Bit GDDR6(Assume the latest driver version) Thermaltake Water 3.0 Certified Liquid Cooling System Windows 10 Professional Oculus Rift-S /TrackIR 5 in case VR dies Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog w/ Thrustmaster T-Flight Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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