lmp Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Thanks for the news and good luck! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuky Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 You are right, I don't know what happened. $15144 US dollars is missing and we know the name and address of a person who took the money. What do you suggest? Lets just see it as... Beczl DID work on the project for a long time, regardless of what percentage of work it was. If he left the team before it was released he misses out on the funds, so I guess maybe the team "let him" have the IndieGoGo funds and maybe he won't see any more of it... think of it as his "payout"... this is probably not what happened (or maybe it is) but anyway, it's past now... I do feel bad for Beczl also, he did work hard on it... he does deserve some reward for the work. lets all just leave it as is now... they have sorted their internal issue and the fans get to fly the Fishbed soon® :pilotfly: Its human to forgive :smilewink: No longer active in DCS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4c Hajduk Veljko Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I pledge $100 to Leatherneck Simulations team. I highly appreciate that the Leatherneck Simulations will fulfill Beczl promises. And for that, I say they should be rewarded. After I receive my MiG-21BIS copies, I'll find a way to spend $100 to buy couple of extra copies and give them as gifts to my friends. Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upupandaway Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Lets just see it as... Beczl DID work on the project for a long time, regardless of what percentage of work it was. If he left the team before it was released he misses out on the funds, so I guess maybe the team "let him" have the IndieGoGo funds and maybe he won't see any more of it... think of it as his "payout"... this is probably not what happened (or maybe it is) but anyway, it's past now... I do feel bad for Beczl also, he did work hard on it... he does deserve some reward for the work. lets all just leave it as is now... they have sorted their internal issue and the fans get to fly the Fishbed soon® :pilotfly: Its human to forgive :smilewink: Very good point, it makes alot of sense to look at it this way and I do very much agree with your reasoning. Win-win? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Deedle, deedle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninefingers Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Glad to see you back in business and with your problems solved. Thanks for the explanation and best of luck with your new projects ! 9 My TM Warthog DIY extension tutorial C2Duo E8600 @ 4.4Ghz. | Asus Rampage Formula X48 | MSI GTX 560Ti OC | 8Gb.Corsair DDR2 RAM @ 1103Mhz. | Crucial M4 128Gb. SSD | 850W. PSU | HOTAS Warthog | Saitek Pedals | TIR 5 | Helios | 24" Monitor/22" Touchscreen [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Nice to hear. The project is already late like two years or something (lost count) so I don't care of any delays. The 30$ I paid is still a steal for the final product. Hopefully the extra DVD is the one originally planned by Beczl with exclusive material. Thanks for all the devs, past and present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Penguin Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Glad to hear you are back on track, looking forward to getting my hands on it. Hope you are able to clear any remaining back-room issues without too much hassle :) Cheers, Jamie Per Ardua Ad Aquarium :drink: Specs: Intel i7-9700K, GTX 2080TI, 32GB DDR4, ASUS ROG Strix Z390-E, Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koekemoeroetoe Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Awesome news! Good luck with finishing your already amazing product! One question: is the website http://www.dcs-mig21.com still the correct one, or is there a new site? Intel i9 10850k | Noctua NH-U12A | Gigabyte Z490 Aorus Elite AC | Patriot Viper Steel 64gb @3600MT/s | ASUS TUF RX 7900 XTX OC | Samsung 970 EVO 1TB NVMe | HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra847 Posted February 27, 2014 Author Share Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) Awesome news! Good luck with finishing your already amazing product! One question: is the website http://www.dcs-mig21.com still the correct one, or is there a new site? Thank you all for your kind words. We are proud to be able to be part of and provide content for such an excellent community. @Koekemoeroetoe (That was interesting to type :D) The site is still up but we're a few days from launching our new site. The current one will then redirect to the new one. Edited February 27, 2014 by Cobra847 Nicholas Dackard Founder & Lead Artist Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenan Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I agree with Hajduk and I think the politicall corectness and niceness should be thrown out the window when it comes to the money pledged. I don't expect from Leatherneck simulations anything in return and I understand it's not their fault but I do feel kinda silly that the money I pledged didn't, in the end, go to the project and that possibly, someone just took it. So yeah, if it's Beczl or whoever, he/they should be held accountable. It's a matter of principles, especially if the Letherneck sims are also loosing money by having to cover for someone elses theft and provide free copies of the game to the folks who pledged.. So the question is quite simple: who took the money from the IndieGoGo campaign? Do we have to wait for an answer for months or will it be put under the rug because we don't want to stirr any pot or 'offend' someone? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Commanding Officer of: 2nd Company 1st financial guard battalion "Mrcine" See our squads here and our . Croatian radio chat for DCS World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mista Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 For what reason bezl left the development team and what will he do next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Pyro Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Do you have access to a database of all the ones who took part in the kickstarterprogramm? It would be probably a good idea to mail them a little headsup mail, things are progressing etc. Maybe some of them saw the anouncement thar this project gets cancelled and now need to know that things sorted out... Tbh i dont know what account i used back then and if i would receive such a mail i would know my data still exists. I dont mind paying another copy but at least knowing what mailaddy kickstarter would mail to, could help reactivate the account :D [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic70340_1.gif[/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Para_Bellum Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Thanks for the update, much appreciated Now get back to work so I can buy that beautiful Mig-21. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BavarianPilot Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I agree with Hajduk and I think the politicall corectness and niceness should be thrown out the window when it comes to the money pledged. I don't expect from Leatherneck simulations anything in return and I understand it's not their fault but I do feel kinda silly that the money I pledged didn't, in the end, go to the project and that possibly, someone just took it. So yeah, if it's Beczl or whoever, he/they should be held accountable. It's a matter of principles, especially if the Letherneck sims are also loosing money by having to cover for someone elses theft and provide free copies of the game to the folks who pledged.. +1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.spare-time-pilots.de Twitch BavarianPilot Youtube BavarianPilot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnuke Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I agree with Hajduk and I think the politicall corectness and niceness should be thrown out the window when it comes to the money pledged. I don't expect from Leatherneck simulations anything in return and I understand it's not their fault but I do feel kinda silly that the money I pledged didn't, in the end, go to the project and that possibly, someone just took it. So yeah, if it's Beczl or whoever, he/they should be held accountable. It's a matter of principles, especially if the Letherneck sims are also loosing money by having to cover for someone elses theft and provide free copies of the game to the folks who pledged.. So the question is quite simple: who took the money from the IndieGoGo campaign? Do we have to wait for an answer for months or will it be put under the rug because we don't want to stirr any pot or 'offend' someone? It may not seem what it is, we don't know. Maybe we can get a little bit of more information on what final deal has been made with Beczl. If the new studio purchased the assets and projectshare from Beczl with their entitled funds for development expenses? (Settlement) (If so, then the statement has a distorted view about the indiegogo backer funds.) I share the same concerns as pman formulated. It all sounds everything is ok, but there might be some risks. Apart from this, I'm happy to see a statement. I hope the future is bright! I wish the team all the best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serp Supreme Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Man I am so hyped now! Let's hope this delay beyond the posted release date won't be much longer than previous delays :D I've always wondered why holding a second kickstarter or indiegogo isn't an option? Excuse me if it's not my place to ask, but I'm sure there are plenty of us out here who missed the first and would still love to get this :) See you guys in the sky! This post is protected by a pilot who has a serious lack of negotiating skills, but is absolute hell in a dogfight. If you do not belong here, please leave. You have now been properly negotiated with. MiG-29S Instant Action Mission Fix Come check out and add to my list of all landmarks in DCS World! ^that works now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erdem Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 . . . and this is why you be extra careful when backing projects early. Once they have your money, they have no obligation to deliver you their promises. The features they promised suddenly becomes homework, since they're already compensated. If they don't care about their reputation that is, which is clearly the case with Beczyl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jib Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Good news. I was worried the project was going to get cancelled and we would never get to flight this great project in DCS. I can understand why it is delayed, keep up the great work! Mods I use: KA-50 JTAC - Better Fire and Smoke - Unchain Rudder from trim KA50 - Sim FFB for G940 - Beczl Rocket Pods Updated! Processor: Intel Q6600 @ 3.00GHz GPU: GeForce MSI RTX 2060 6GB RAM: Crucial 8GB DDR2 HDD: 1TBGB Crucial SSD OS: Windows 10, 64-bit Peripherals: Logitech G940 Hotas, TrackiR 5, Voice Activated commands , Sharkoon 5.1 headset. ,Touch Control for iPad, JoyToKey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boberro Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Thanks for update :) It is sad you've been left without funding, but fortunately MiG is on the final end. And I hope you will do MiG-23 and Su-17M4\M5, they're fantastic iconic planes :) Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksolo Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Congrats on getting things worked out guys,but I gotta say Leatherneck is a terrible name. A company named after US Marines but your first few aircraft will be Russian? Intel i7 6700k OC 4.7ghz Asus ROG Maximus VIII Hero Motherboard Zotac GTX980ti 6GB Amp Extreme 32 GB DDR4 3200 RAM Oculus Rift CV1 Thrustmaster Warthog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRooDJeRo Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 I'm all fine with what is happening now and unexpected. Crowd funding is still a very new concept though with even the status quo financial institutes wiggle policy around it to avoid claims. It still hangs on a delicately balanced triangle between promise, trust and honesty. When this triangle is broken somewhere it could have effect on future crowd funds in general. Due to this newness is slippery stuff is expected. Somehow it also has a certain romance tied to it when a project still works out in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra847 Posted February 27, 2014 Author Share Posted February 27, 2014 Congrats on getting things worked out guys,but I gotta say Leatherneck is a terrible name. A company named after US Marines but your first few aircraft will be Russian? Or we might be dropping you a hint. I don't think we'd be that obvious though, would we? Probably not. ;) 1 Nicholas Dackard Founder & Lead Artist Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksolo Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Dont tease!!!!! lol Intel i7 6700k OC 4.7ghz Asus ROG Maximus VIII Hero Motherboard Zotac GTX980ti 6GB Amp Extreme 32 GB DDR4 3200 RAM Oculus Rift CV1 Thrustmaster Warthog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESA_maligno Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Very sad what has happened. Two things only: The new company but has not used the money indegoo, has benefited from him all that had already Bezcl, advertising, potential buyers, etc. ...., for all must continue the policy and the commitments agreed by Bezcl. The product is not new is the MiG21, the same module and regardless of title or company name agreements with funders (we) have not changed. The investment is made and it is benefiting from the new company. It is they who must claim the remaining money, if any, and no excuse to Bezcl in comments such as "we are going to do a favor and will continue with the statements in Indegoo. Problem is a very poorly run, which has created great reluctance and that will make people think him long before ever trust a third developer. Unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danilop Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) Great news! I sincerely hope that you will regain lost trust as a result of the reckless statement from the previous head of the project. There is rough road ahead, but looking at the quality, SMEs and seriousness of the people involved with Leatherneck Simulations, I don't see any problem. Warm wishes! Edited February 27, 2014 by danilop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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