Cannon is weak

[nick10]

I emptied all my canon shells into a mustang and it just kept flying. A bit of smoke and that was it.

 

In real life three or so hits from a Dora's canons would have ripped a P-51 to shreds.

 

I hope this is being worked on.

 

Other than that - I love this bird!

[DB 605]

Yeah, you should try Olympus or Nikon next time :smilewink:

More seriously, DM sure need some work but i found cannons quite effective when shooting close enough. Few hits and down goes Mustang.

[159th_Viper]

I emptied all my canon shells into a mustang....

 

Post a screenshot of your debrief screen next time so we can see how many shells actually hit and how many raised the metal-earth index a couple of fractions.

[gavagai]

Yeah, you should try Olympus or Nikon next time :smilewink:

More seriously, DM sure need some work but i found cannons quite effective when shooting close enough. Few hits and down goes Mustang.

 

Cannon shells mostly inflict damage via chemical energy, not kinetic energy. Firing from close or long range shouldn't matter so long as you score hits.:smilewink:

[Narushima]

The AI can take insane amounts of damage from most angles. It's like it has a forcefield on the back.

 

It goes down pretty easy from the front though.

 

To those with MP experience: how quickly do player controlled P-51 go down?

[Knecht_]

A bit offtopic... Is it possible to separate cannons and MG for two different buttons?

[DB 605]

Cannon shells mostly inflict damage via chemical energy, not kinetic energy. Firing from close or long range shouldn't matter so long as you score hits.:smilewink:

 

Well that was my point :) Shot close enough and you can actually hit something.

I just shot AI Mustang with three cannon and three MG hits in my latest fight.

[DB 605]

A bit offtopic... Is it possible to separate cannons and MG for two different buttons?

 

No, not at the moment. Don't know if this will change in future.

[Python]

This is a long running problem, same thing when you're flying the P-51d in the 1v1 mission. Not only can the enemy take loads of damage but it seems to have zero effect on their performance.

[gavagai]

Well that was my point :) Shot close enough and you can actually hit something.

 

Ah, I see!:thumbup:

 

To those with MP experience: how quickly do player controlled P-51 go down?

 

I'll let you know when I actually shoot someone down. I have had lots of opportunities against human pilots where I would easily shoot them down with the P-51, but in the 190D-9 I miss like crazy.:lol:

Edited August 10, 2014 by gavagai

[El Hadji]

Well its much easier to shoot down a AI controlled P-51 when flying a Dora than what it was the other way around.

[flare2000x]

This DM sure is broken. It took me 105 13mm MG bullets and 24 20mm cannon shells to take out the AI p-51. Yes. One hundred and five. This is my only complaint about DCS. ED please fix this!

[fjacobsen]

Using Tacview (if that counts) clearly show that I get alot of hits, but they seem to cause very little damage.

 

FinnJ

[javelina1]

I managed to bring down (2) AI Su-25's. The first Toad took most all of my cannon fire, and the second I brought down with just the MG's. Post flight showed they both took a fair amount of hits. I was nearly out of ammo when I touched down.

[nick10]

Ha - yeah cannon! Terrible spelling on my part.

 

But I'm still thinking the cannon is not working as cannon. It doesn't explode. You should need about four hits on a mustang with those 20mm shells to rip it apart.

[fastfreddie]

Cannon damage or how the DM perceives the damage needs a reworking. Just landed 37 cannon rounds and more than I was will to count mg but she would not go down (Ai). Most of these landed on the one wing or the fuselage. Ai was polluting the air with the 3 white trails coming from the one wing.

[Serp Supreme]

I'd really enjoy an official word from an ED dev on what they'll be doing about this. It's really making dogfighting a nuisance in these early fighters, (Including the F-86, seeing as its primary armament was guns as well and their MiG-15 is completely screwed too).

[NineLine]

I am having no issue sawing the Mustang in half with a reasonable amount of shots... in this case, Me in a Dora against AI P-51D.

Edited August 11, 2014 by NineLine

[billeinstein]

So do those bombs.

[hattrick]

I am having no issue sawing the Mustang in half with a reasonable amount of shots... in this case, Me in a Dora against AI P-51D.

 

This +1

 

*sigh* this is never going to end Sith. I, as well as many of our members, also have zero issue downing AI or human P-51's. The other day on our server I downed a human 51 driver with one quick burst. The AI is almost to easy to kill lol.

[Ben.NZ]

I am having no issue sawing the Mustang in half with a reasonable amount of shots... in this case, Me in a Dora against AI P-51D.

 

+1. Its definitely possible to down an AI P-51D in a couple shots

 

The damage model seems pretty inconsistent, sometimes it takes many rounds from the Dora to down a P 51D, when other times it only takes a round or two in the right spot. I'll try find the track

 

EDIT: Found it. Guess you gotta find the right spots to shoot to take it down easy

 

Thread: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=128339

Edited August 11, 2014 by Ben.NZ

[nick10]

I am having no issue sawing the Mustang in half with a reasonable amount of shots... in this case, Me in a Dora against AI P-51D.

 

That's kind of the point of cannon. You are meant to be able to hit your target anywhere and blow bits off. It's not about having to hit the target in the right spot.

 

That's why cannon was introduced!

 

Cheers guys. I know its a beta and I'm sure these issues will be addressed.

[NineLine]

Which I am saying I am able to do... if I score many direct hits with the cannon I am seeing the Mustang go down in a ball of flames....

[xaoslaad]

Obvisouly not a track, and I may be making a bad assumption that what I see here is canon hitting with the small explosion. Then I take a good look at his belly and nothing... I did get him, but I was still a little surprised that left not a spot.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxd0TyPpfEw&t=0m34s

[NineLine]

Obvisouly not a track, and I may be making a bad assumption that what I see here is canon hitting with the small explosion. Then I take a good look at his belly and nothing... I did get him, but I was still a little surprised that left not a spot.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxd0TyPpfEw&t=0m34s

 

Here is what you need to remember about DCS and damage... its a texture replacement as the amount of damage increases... so you hit him very little maybe, and because of this it was not enough to cause the texture to change to the next "stage" of damage. Its not like a wall in BF4 that will show a bullet hole for the bullet you just fired...

 

It doesnt mean you havent done any damage to the P-51D, but that you havent done enough to cause the texture to change to the first stage of damage textures...