DCS : F4U-1 Corsair

[Ala13_ManOWar]

54 minutes ago, evensen007 said:

At this point with all the years of silence stacking up, I really wish a more experienced and established dev was put in stewardship of one of the most legendary and beloved WW2 fighter aircraft of all time. Imagine Heatblur carrying it's torch. Hell, they've released 3 modern jet aircraft recreations in the time M3 has been developing the corsair. 

Sorry mate, as usual people tends to forget quickly. HB was a part of Leatherneck and they abandoned the team leaving them alone with few resources. It's not HB is better, it's M3 is what it is right now because since HB abandoned they have been unable to rise their head from the punch. But luckily F4U will be a success so they can finally hire more people and get better after so many years.

Edited May 19, 2024 by Ala13_ManOWar

[Silver_Dragon]

1 hour ago, evensen007 said:

At this point with all the years of silence stacking up, I really wish a more experienced and established dev was put in stewardship of one of the most legendary and beloved WW2 fighter aircraft of all time. Imagine Heatblur carrying it's torch. Hell, they've released 3 modern jet aircraft recreations in the time M3 has been developing the corsair. 

What "silence"?

 

Edited May 19, 2024 by Silver_Dragon

[BIGNEWY]

Folks had a little tidy up, keep the feedback constructive. 

thank you 

[Shibbyland]

On 5/20/2024 at 6:01 AM, Silver_Dragon said:

What "silence"?

 

 

Silence might not be totally accurate but it's not far off. They post a screenshot maybe every 6 months or so and the occasional update about what they've been doing, never with any indication of timeframe for release (which even if they did do, would be worthless given how long it's taken to this point). 

Nothing but yarns since 2019.

At this point even if they did put it into early access or even release it, I don't think it'd ever be "finished". To my knowledge, so far the only project they have solely to their name is the Christen Eagle.

[Silver_Dragon]

21 hours ago, Shibbyland said:

Silence might not be totally accurate but it's not far off. They post a screenshot maybe every 6 months or so and the occasional update about what they've been doing, never with any indication of timeframe for release (which even if they did do, would be worthless given how long it's taken to this point). 

Nothing but yarns since 2019.

At this point even if they did put it into early access or even release it, I don't think it'd ever be "finished". To my knowledge, so far the only project they have solely to their name is the Christen Eagle.

Remember M3 maintain the Mig-21Bis, from the leatherneck times. And about a silences, has many 3rd parties here with dont put none about yarns from some years ago, include dont posting a develop update from more time (years) with the M3 "6 months updates"... and someone of them, dont have any module released.

Edited June 13, 2024 by Silver_Dragon

[Shibbyland]

12 hours ago, Silver_Dragon said:

Remember M3 maintain the Mig-21Bis, from the leatherneck times. And about a silences, has many 3rd parties here with dont put none about yarns from some years ago, include dont posting a develop update from more time with the M3 "6 months updates"... and someone of them, dont have any module released.

The absence of information from other developers doesn't make magnitude 3 a credible developer simply because they post the odd screenshot. The MiG 21 is from the days when Heatblur and Magnitude 3 were joined. Since that split, Heatblur have surged ahead and Magnitude 3 are where they are.

 

Fair play to them, I hope they succeed but their rate of progress would suggest we can't expect great things from them.

[mikko.1842]

Summer update newsletter is usually released during the month of June. Let's wait and see.

[Krupi]

6 hours ago, Shibbyland said:

The absence of information from other developers doesn't make magnitude 3 a credible developer simply because they post the odd screenshot. The MiG 21 is from the days when Heatblur and Magnitude 3 were joined. Since that split, Heatblur have surged ahead and Magnitude 3 are where they are.

 

Fair play to them, I hope they succeed but their rate of progress would suggest we can't expect great things from them.

You clearly have never had a pint of Guinness 

[Ala13_ManOWar]

7 hours ago, Shibbyland said:

The absence of information from other developers doesn't make magnitude 3 a credible developer simply because they post the odd screenshot. The MiG 21 is from the days when Heatblur and Magnitude 3 were joined. Since that split, Heatblur have surged ahead and Magnitude 3 are where they are.

 

Fair play to them, I hope they succeed but their rate of progress would suggest we can't expect great things from them.

Negative mate, MiG-21 (2014) was a module from even before everything of that. Heatblur didn't "make" the MiG-21, it was already there, they helped for sure in some cleaning and later coding at some point, I wouldn't know (so wouldn't you unless you were in the team, right?) the exact things they did but I believe the split team later known as Heatblur only joined Leatherneck after the MiG-21 was released and it was successful so they could hire more people. HB aided in the Leatherneck's Viggen module, and was there in the Leatherneck Tomcat by the way . So, they're capable for sure, just without more people to help they apparently remain a very small team, and I believe we can expect great things from them because we've already seen them in the past, not the other way around.

You negative people always look for the blemish in others while you're blind to other's huge faults mate, don't you really get exhausted from that attitude?

[Silver_Dragon]

9 hours ago, Shibbyland said:

The absence of information from other developers doesn't make magnitude 3 a credible developer simply because they post the odd screenshot. The MiG 21 is from the days when Heatblur and Magnitude 3 were joined. Since that split, Heatblur have surged ahead and Magnitude 3 are where they are.

 

Fair play to them, I hope they succeed but their rate of progress would suggest we can't expect great things from them.

Negative, please remember the history, we have know what happen here (google are your friend)....The Mig-21Bis was build first by Leatherneck 3rd Party on 2014 (On fact, comming by a KS, and previously by a mod by beczl). On that times, none has khow about the called Heatblur or M3 3rd parties. Remember leatherneck 3rd Party was posting regular updates about a F-14 develop module on 2015, and the AJS-37 module on 2016, before the 3rd party Split and the form of Heatblur and Magnitude 3 (and no, never was "joined"). 

The problem was the actual "Heatblur" team split from Leatherneck 3rd party on 2017 and form own 3rd Party, not opposite. On fact ones of the problems with force the split was the F4U claims, some of the Leatherneck team (actual Heatblur) was none interest on the F4U (and the "claimed" Iwo Jima map), and move away...

Other Fact, the Mig-21Bis was "claimed" initialy by HB, but end on M3. M3 need to start from the ashes, yes, with the main develop force move away to HB... and many of your big modules on progress before split. M3 restart with the CE2 and some updates on the Mig-21bis, but the module has turned old with the past of time and require a rework. We need wait to the release of F4U, and surely more coming in the future. And about of "credible developer", remember ED has working to M3, to release a joint Pacific WW2 movement to push them with 2 modules (F4U/F6F) and ED and M3 Pacific assets Packs.

Edited June 13, 2024 by Silver_Dragon

[Shibbyland]

Very good. I guess we'll all see.

[Hammer1-1]

If it took 14 years for the OH-58 to come to life, 8 years is a good number for the F4U to me.  So far its been a great year for module releases; looking hard to see if this one is released before summer but Im expecting it when the WW2 Marianas map gets released. Theres not enough stoke in the world to explain how stoked I will be when it finally comes out!

[-Rudel-]

No body from Heatblur, except Cobra worked on the MiG-21bis.

The original Swede team that was making a Viggen mod, joined "LNS", and worked only on that with slight help from LNS programmers.

The F-14 had been originally worked on by LNS only, with possible help from unknown sources.

After the split, the agreement was that LNS maintained the MiG-21bis and continue with the F4U-1D along with all acquired PAO assets.  And Heatblur would get the F-14 and Viggen.

During our time together, the CE2, F4U, F14 and Viggen were al being developed at the same time.  Out of respect and privacy, I will not delve into the reasons of the split, however, it had nothing to do with the module development, or the "likes / love / interests" of the aircraft.

[Hammer1-1]

1 hour ago, -Rudel- said:

No body from Heatblur, except Cobra worked on the MiG-21bis.

The original Swede team that was making a Viggen mod, joined "LNS", and worked only on that with slight help from LNS programmers.

The F-14 had been originally worked on by LNS only, with possible help from unknown sources.

After the split, the agreement was that LNS maintained the MiG-21bis and continue with the F4U-1D along with all acquired PAO assets.  And Heatblur would get the F-14 and Viggen.

During our time together, the CE2, F4U, F14 and Viggen were al being developed at the same time.  Out of respect and privacy, I will not delve into the reasons of the split, however, it had nothing to do with the module development, or the "likes / love / interests" of the aircraft.

How many people are currently working on the F4U at the moment? Any idea?

[Ala13_ManOWar]

19 hours ago, -Rudel- said:

No body from Heatblur, except Cobra worked on the MiG-21bis.

The original Swede team that was making a Viggen mod, joined "LNS", and worked only on that with slight help from LNS programmers.

The F-14 had been originally worked on by LNS only, with possible help from unknown sources.

After the split, the agreement was that LNS maintained the MiG-21bis and continue with the F4U-1D along with all acquired PAO assets.  And Heatblur would get the F-14 and Viggen.

During our time together, the CE2, F4U, F14 and Viggen were al being developed at the same time.  Out of respect and privacy, I will not delve into the reasons of the split, however, it had nothing to do with the module development, or the "likes / love / interests" of the aircraft.

Thanks for the clarification Rudel!! I was talking by memory and who knows so many years later what's correct about that or not. Still, I wasn't that carried away  .

[billythebassman]

On 6/13/2024 at 3:54 AM, mikko.1842 said:

Let's wait and see.

Sure... let's do that.  We haven't done that before.

On 6/13/2024 at 8:47 PM, Hammer1-1 said:

How many people are currently working on the F4U at the moment? Any idea?

I think the answer to that is very clear to those who are willing to hear it.     

[mikko.1842]

13 hours ago, billythebassman said:

Sure... let's do that.  We haven't done that before.

Aren't we a little bit dramatic here ? I mean, it's not like you have any other choice than waiting, right ? As a hypothetical customer of a not yet released module, you do know that "protesting", or asking for faster release, will have very little effect, don't you ?

So yes, you will have to wait, and maybe to no result, because it is also a "risk" that you have to consider.

 

13 hours ago, billythebassman said:

I think the answer to that is very clear to those who are willing to hear it.     

If you have any reliable informations about M3 team and their dedicated F4U devs, feel free to share.

Edited June 18, 2024 by mikko.1842

[DD_Fenrir]

As usual, a lot of histrionics from over entitled drama queens who haven't committed any actual investment (save some over-wrought emotions). 

I keep hoping they'll finally generate the self-awareness to realise the effect that that their impatient petulant whinging actually has on bringing the F4U closer to release.

Here's a little clue:

 

NONE

 

 

[DonziFreak]

I'd just like to see this module come out soon, it's my favorite aircraft of all time. I'd also like to see ED and 3rd parties as a whole start putting a little more effort into WWII stuff as other sims are fun but don't give the immersion DCS is capable of. There's a hungry market out there for people that want the level of immersion we get but in a WWII theater.

[Hammer1-1]

23 hours ago, billythebassman said:

Sure... let's do that.  We haven't done that before.

I think the answer to that is very clear to those who are willing to hear it.     

Im actually very interested in knowing. Thinking its just one person because Im not consistently checking on the status on this. Im not trying to put my heads up someones butt to get a ball rolling.

Edited June 18, 2024 by Hammer1-1

[Aviator78]

On 6/14/2024 at 1:20 AM, -Rudel- said:

the agreement was that LNS maintained the MiG-21bis

Can you elaborate on LNS' plans regarding the future of the MiG-21bis module, your most successful and most popular module so far?

[Gunfreak]

2 hours ago, Aviator78 said:

Can you elaborate on LNS' plans regarding the future of the MiG-21bis module, your most successful and most popular module so far?

They've said the 21 will get some sort of update after the Corsair is released  

[Captain Orso]

On 6/18/2024 at 9:41 AM, mikko.1842 said:

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So yes, you will have to wait, and maybe to no result, because it is also a "risk" that you have to consider.

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Up until now--and you may gladly correct me if I'm wrong--until now, every module upon which we have waited--short or long--has ALWAYS been released (I will exclude that one partner company [ED's very first?] that mismanaged itself, over-estimated what it might accomplish, and went belly-up, leaving ED holding the bag, although 2/3 of what they had planned was brought to fruition and released by ED years ago, with only one airframe still being developed).

I'm looking forward to the Corsair as much as anybody (my Dad was a crew chief in the Marines working on Corsairs in the Pacific during WW2, so I've kind of got a small personal angle on the Corsair). It will get here, when it gets here; I promise.

[_Hoss]

1 hour ago, Captain Orso said:

Up until now--and you may gladly correct me if I'm wrong--until now, every module upon which we have waited--short or long--has ALWAYS been released (I will exclude that one partner company [ED's very first?] that mismanaged itself, over-estimated what it might accomplish, and went belly-up, leaving ED holding the bag, although 2/3 of what they had planned was brought to fruition and released by ED years ago, with only one airframe still being developed).

I'm looking forward to the Corsair as much as anybody (my Dad was a crew chief in the Marines working on Corsairs in the Pacific during WW2, so I've kind of got a small personal angle on the Corsair). It will get here, when it gets here; I promise.

Still waiting on my Me-262.....

[Aviator78]

22 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

They've said the 21 will get some sort of update after the Corsair is released  

Yes, but that was two years ago, and to what extent that update will be is still unclear. Will it just be an update of graphics, or will the MiG-21bis finally get a significant upgrade in terms of systems and realism? And yes, I know this is the Corsair forum, but since only this part of the M3 forum seems to get the attention lately, I'm asking here.