Su-33 Scripted Take-Off

[hellking]

I could not find the answer to this question anywhere...

 

The current take off with Su-33 feels scripted. Almost feels like there is a script that keeps the nose and aircraft up for a few seconds after take-off. Then it suddenly shuts down, and you have to pick the nose up and raise it high enough that the aircraft doesn't go into the sea.. The issue is that it doesn't feel natural at all...

 

Is this a special mode of the aircraft, or simply due to inaccurate physics model during take-off? Will this be fixed?

[HiJack]

We will know if it is fixed in September when the new flight model hits the sim. Current flight model is scripted.

[Ironhand]

And here I always thought that was the upward momentum imparted by the "ski jump" falling off. I've never noticed anything like that, when taking off from a runway.

[joey45]

Part of the SFM limitations. When the PFM is out it will feel a lot natural.

[hellking]

Ok! I must admit I got what I asked for with the new update :). But now I fail on Su-33 aircraft carrier take-offs in my own previously designed missions. (I can land and take-off with ease in the quick start FC3 mission). Is this a bug? Anybody else?

 

EDIT: Forgot to say that

1) I put the flaps down

2) I put the brakes down

3) I engage afterburner

4) I engage emergency afterburner immediately

5) I release the brakes

6) I do a nearly full stick down

7) Aircraft barely maintains 140 km/hr.

8) Splash into the ocean

Edited September 23, 2017 by hellking

[Kayos]

Ok! I must admit I got what I asked for with the new update :). But now I fail on Su-33 aircraft carrier take-offs in my own previously designed missions. (I can land and take-off with ease in the quick start FC3 mission). Is this a bug? Anybody else?

 

EDIT: Forgot to say that

1) I put the flaps down

2) I put the brakes down

3) I engage afterburner

4) I engage emergency afterburner immediately

5) I release the brakes

6) I do a nearly full stick down

7) Aircraft barely maintains 140 km/hr.

8) Splash into the ocean

 

Same. I think we are missing something :doh:

[Ramstein]

I can't use 'U' key for carrier takeoff, with barrier behind aircraft, supposed to raise barrier (behind engines of aircraft on deck, in starting position) and aircraft sets into position. SU-33 explodes about 50% of the time I try to launch on carrier. Aircraft continuously bounces around on deck. Speed is too low to takeoff, unless you go way back on deck. I have had Flaming cliffs and the SU-33 for ages. There is no way this Beta version could be ready in a week or two. Too many issues. FYI. I put it on a land base and flew also a few missions. This has all been since last night Friday 09-22-17 with latest patch.

[claw]

Same here. Can't take off from the carrier anymore in campaign or missions I make with the mission editor. The plane has neither lift nor thrust and sails like a wet towel over the bow into the sea. AI has the same problem.

Edited September 23, 2017 by claw

[mytai01]

Just to let you know, the F/A-18 has a scripted take-off in real life. The pilot doesn't have control till after airborne.

[Kayos]

Yep, can't for the life of me take off from a carrier.

Anyone figure it out yet?

[Weta43]

How much fuel, and what weapons ?

[Kayos]

I had 4 x R-73, 60% fuel

[Iskra]

Same here. Can't take off from the carrier anymore in campaign or missions I make with the mission editor. The plane has neither lift nor thrust and sails like a wet towel over the bow into the sea. AI has the same problem.

 

Lol. Another wet towel over here.

 

How much fuel, and what weapons ?

 

In my case no weapons, 100% fuel.

[=OPS=Slider]

I took off with 70% of fuel and no weapons, but no WEP as well, and I had enough power and altitude after "ski jump" to safely fly away.

[Weta43]

From another thread (sorry, no credit).

What I gathered from the russian side of the forum is 27 tons using the short run and 32 from the long one, with no wind and a stationary carrier.

With a 10m/s combined carrier speed and headwind it goes up to 29 and 34.5.

[BIGNEWY]

Carrier has two 'short' (105 meter - right deck side and part of left side) and 'long' (195 m, left deck side) runways.

 

Maximal A/C takeoff weight (carrier is not moving, no wind) for 'short' RW at +15C is 27 ton, for 'long' - 32 ton.

[Knock-Knock]

Carrier has two 'short' (105 meter - right deck side and part of left side) and 'long' (195 m, left deck side) runways.

 

Maximal A/C takeoff weight (carrier is not moving, no wind) for 'short' RW at +15C is 27 ton, for 'long' - 32 ton.

 

Cool, thx for the info.

 

I managed a 6xR73, 2x27ER, 60% fuel, short take off, no WEP, from a stationary carrier with 1 kts headwind. But only just :).

 

Is there any way to control which ramp to take off from? Can you cycle between them somehow?

[Oceandar]

Yup, Bignewy is right. Pay attention to your weight or you'll be swimming in the ocean right away :D

[Ironhand]

Ok! I must admit I got what I asked for with the new update :). But now I fail on Su-33 aircraft carrier take-offs in my own previously designed missions. (I can land and take-off with ease in the quick start FC3 mission). Is this a bug? Anybody else?

 

EDIT: Forgot to say that

1) I put the flaps down

2) I put the brakes down

3) I engage afterburner

4) I engage emergency afterburner immediately

5) I release the brakes

6) I do a nearly full stick down

7) Aircraft barely maintains 140 km/hr.

8) Splash into the ocean

 

With the PFM, not only does weight matter a great deal but also wind over the deck. Taking off or landing from a stationary carrier vs from one that's moving (eg 37 km/hr) now makes a great deal of difference to your experience.

[Shadow KT]

Low fuel and AAR ? Isn't that the general idea ?

[sgtmike74]

Is there a way to select the long side of the deck? In the ME, it only shows take of from parking with "Auto".

[Esac_mirmidon]

Make a backtrack after spawning.

[Svend_Dellepude]

Just dont taxi over the wires. They will grab the hook even if its in the up position, and get you stuck.

[claw]

Yup, you have to balance weight (armament, fuel) and carrier speed. I managed to get a few take offs.

[Kayos]

Does it say how many Tons you are or do you just have to convert it from LBS?