After the Tomcat?

[pegon]

For the state of the game, we need something fast with weaponry to kill off the carriers that are about to multiply in the game.

DCS needs a focus. We are getting the US fleets and their air wings, the Hormuz map. What we need are the type of assets that can challenge their superiority.

[Sarraceno]

For the state of the game, we need something fast with weaponry to kill off the carriers that are about to multiply in the game.

DCS needs a focus. We are getting the US fleets and their air wings, the Hormuz map. What we need are the type of assets that can challenge their superiority.

 

Such as the viggen? :D

[pegon]

Thinking of an aircraft that has been in use in the Middle East. Thought that was implied, something Russian or French.

Edited November 26, 2017 by pegon

[Silver_Dragon]

Thinking of an aircraft that has been in use in the Middle East. Thought that was implied, something Russian or French.

 

Make a pilot-able russian "anti-ship" aircraft actually has very difficult to make by license problems (russian military secret law), and a "french" aircraft, Aviodev has on plans a Mirage F-1 (initially Spanish versions), actually, the only "capability" to kill a carrier has use AI units (Su-24, Tu-22M3), and the additional problem has the carriers missing some important defence systems (as all military ships), as cannons with VT fusses, ECM, flares, chaff and decoy launchers, datalink, corrected radar and Fire Control Systems, realistic Cooperative Engagement Capability on NATO ships and of course appropriate AI formation and defence tactics. UsNavy mising Arleigh Burke destroyers, ASW weapons on helos and nuclear submarines.

 

Other option has been use ships, add AI regional navy units, submarine torpedoes, minefields or add to DCS World Coastal missile batteries.

Edited November 26, 2017 by Silver_Dragon

[pegon]

Yes, I know about the Russian problem. Also, Aviodev has ruled out Exocet for the F1. Ditto for the M2k. My hope is for the SU-24, there is nothing secret in the versions serving in the Middle East. Would be great to have a representative selection of the aircraft that has served there for Straits of Hormuz.

[Scrape]

For the state of the game, we need something fast with weaponry to kill off the carriers that are about to multiply in the game.

DCS needs a focus. We are getting the US fleets and their air wings, the Hormuz map. What we need are the type of assets that can challenge their superiority.

 

The focus would come from a DCS persistent server with tangible objectives. The mp campaign would be balanced and well thought out to allow the game to be experienced at its best. Until then there are some honorable mentions from the customers, but are just shy from perfect.

[SDsc0rch]

what a lousy business model eh?

[Silver_Dragon]

The focus would come from a DCS persistent server with tangible objectives. The mp campaign would be balanced and well thought out to allow the game to be experienced at its best. Until then there are some honorable mentions from the customers, but are just shy from perfect.

 

Balanced never was "realistic", if you go to build realistic environments, you require real weapons and systems, the rest coming with the good use of each side capabilities and the mission makers.

[carss]

I think the best emphasis anyone can put into is the cold war era. It could be Vietnam, Middle East with Israel, Europe, India/Pakistan/China/Japan, or Korea etc. Any of these would be gladly accepted by the community

[rweaves6]

I've never understood why Vietnam has never had a greater appeal to the combat sim world. After all, it's the last war that had air to air combat, the most a-a combat in the jet era, and really the only large scale air war with jets (other than the much smaller scale Korean air war).

 

Vietnam had everything as far as prop planes, jets, helicopters, naval (carrier) operations, land base operations, jungle, mountains...you'd think it would be a combat simmer's dream?

[Jester986]

I'd love to see a century series fighter or an F-8 by Heatblur. I agree about Vietnam and I think it would be a good place to focus DCS because of the availability of information on the aircraft and it should mostly be declassified, and the complexity/ high pilot workload of the era make the aircraft more interesting in my opinion.

[Robert31178]

I've never understood why Vietnam has never had a greater appeal to the combat sim world. After all, it's the last war that had air to air combat......

 

Not quite, there were engagements in Desert Storm 1. 36 MiGs were shot down during the fight, mostly by F-15 Eagles, but USN Hornets got a few as well if I remember that right. I believe also that a Tornado scored a kill, as did a Mirage.

 

~Rob

Edited November 28, 2017 by Robert31178

[Baz000]

Maybe SH-60 is next after Tomcat? They seem interested in getting it into DCS

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3174767&postcount=2

[Baz000]

Not quite, there were engagements in Desert Storm 1. 36 MiGs were shot down during the fight, mostly by F-15 Eagles, but USN Hornets got a few as well if I remember that right. I believe also that a Tornado scored a kill, as did a Mirage.

 

~Rob

 

And a EF-111 Raven got a manuver kill against a MIRAGE too.

 

https://tacairnet.com/2013/09/10/unarmed-kill/

[probad]

Maybe SH-60 is next after Tomcat?

We're working on another complex jet which will make good use of our own technologies.

literally

the second post of this thread

 

come on now

[Baz000]

Just saying they showed interest in a SH-60 and said it would be fun... Cobra himself posted that.

 

Not immediately after the Tomcat tho...

[rweaves6]

Not quite, there were engagements in Desert Storm 1. 36 MiGs were shot down during the fight, mostly by F-15 Eagles, but USN Hornets got a few as well if I remember that right. I believe also that a Tornado scored a kill, as did a Mirage.

 

~Rob

 

Fair enough, I didn't realize there were that many. Still quite insignificant to Vietnam, wasn't there around 13000 aircraft lost there?

[Robert31178]

That's seems like a pretty huge number of a/c lost. How many of those were just helicopters? I would say A LOT, so that's a skewed number as well.

 

US warplanes losses were 2251-ish, and most of those were lost to ground fire and not MiGs, compared to 150 or so for the VPAF. You have to remember that the air war in Vietnam was dragged out over 10 years, instead of just a few months over the Gulf.

[1stBEAST]

and also in the middel east and africa were couple wars after vietnam that included air combat. so vietnam was not the last war with air combat.

 

i admit that the scale of air ops was huge in vietnam.

 

in regards of interest. i´m not really interested in the era of vietnam. i´m more fascinated with fighters from the late 70s to early 90s

 

but i have to admit that a late A-4, A-6 or A-7 would be nice.

[rweaves6]

That's seems like a pretty huge number of a/c lost. How many of those were just helicopters? I would say A LOT, so that's a skewed number as well.

 

US warplanes losses were 2251-ish, and most of those were lost to ground fire and not MiGs, compared to 150 or so for the VPAF. You have to remember that the air war in Vietnam was dragged out over 10 years, instead of just a few months over the Gulf.

 

Good point. I understand what you are saying but that’s kind of my point as well. The coalition didn’t have the same air power competition in DS, didn’t they mop up all the aircraft in a few days?

 

There were roughly 350 aircraft downed in AtoA in Vietnam and that number would have been a lot larger if it weren’t for the intense SAM coverage in the North. You can bet there would have been a lot more engagements with MiGs without that threat.

 

The point is in Vietnam, the US pilots feared the North’s air power. They started the fighter weapons school because of it.

[QuiGon]

Not quite, there were engagements in Desert Storm 1. 36 MiGs were shot down during the fight, mostly by F-15 Eagles, but USN Hornets got a few as well if I remember that right. I believe also that a Tornado scored a kill, as did a Mirage.

 

~Rob

There were also quite a few air engagements over the Balkans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia#Air_combat

 

Anyways, back to topic?

[skypirate]

One and only - A6E.. of course with a Vietnam map...

The deck of the Heatblur Forrestal needs to get busy during these multiplayer sessions...

[carss]

One and only - A6E.. of course with a Vietnam map...

The deck of the Heatblur Forrestal needs to get busy during these multiplayer sessions...

 

Couldn't agree more, I also believe Razbam is working on an A-7 so there's that too, the A-6 would fit right in ;)

[WinterH]

Couldn't agree more, I also believe Razbam is working on an A-7 so there's that too, the A-6 would fit right in ;)

 

Razbam actually has plans for A-6 too.

[1stBEAST]

oh man a busy carrier deck with F/A-18s, A-7s, A-6s, RF-8, A-4s, F-14s, A-5s and E-2s that would be awesome! and you would probably have to "take a number" to get to a catapult :-D but you would have something to watch while waiting^^