Northstar98 Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) No, it's time to update the stable, when 2.5.6 is ready for it, not before. I don't want to have my performance have a dump taken on it just to appease the impatient. Disclaimer: I exclusively play stable. Edited May 18, 2020 by Northstar98 Modules I own: F-14A/B, F-4E, Mi-24P, AJS 37, AV-8B N/A, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070S FE, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro.
TheGuardian Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 This is what I don't understand. Stable guys have to know the hold up isn't because ED is pointing and laughing at them (well no more then they do to all of us really) and 2.5.6 isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread and us OB guys don't want ya'll to have it. If you're that damn impatient for the JF (or any new feature currently in OB), download OB and delete it when stable is updated. Why push ED to screw up even more. Let them fix 2.5.6, then hopefully all the shinny bells and whistles can appear on the Stable for ya'll to complain about just like we do on OB. I'm guessing most of the complaint department on stable isn't into other video games, where update patches and new DLC can take 6-8 months between sometimes. Granted news and updates on when patches are coming from ED would be the most help.
igalbe Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 This is what I don't understand. Stable guys have to know the hold up isn't because ED is pointing and laughing at them (well no more then they do to all of us really) and 2.5.6 isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread and us OB guys don't want ya'll to have it. If you're that damn impatient for the JF (or any new feature currently in OB), download OB and delete it when stable is updated. Why push ED to screw up even more. Let them fix 2.5.6, then hopefully all the shinny bells and whistles can appear on the Stable for ya'll to complain about just like we do on OB. I'm guessing most of the complaint department on stable isn't into other video games, where update patches and new DLC can take 6-8 months between sometimes. Granted news and updates on when patches are coming from ED would be the most help. oh sorry, I tghouth I will push theme forward :book: CPU i7 6700k 4.0 GHz RAM 40 HAYPER DDR 4 GTX 980 WT HOTAS F-18 STICK Z270 5K:pilotfly::pilotfly::pilotfly::pilotfly:
TheGuardian Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 oh sorry, I tghouth I will push theme forward :book: By all means push away.
igalbe Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 By all means push away. thank you:thumbup: CPU i7 6700k 4.0 GHz RAM 40 HAYPER DDR 4 GTX 980 WT HOTAS F-18 STICK Z270 5K:pilotfly::pilotfly::pilotfly::pilotfly:
enigma6584 Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 No, it's time to update the stable, when 2.5.6 is ready for it, not before. I don't want to have my performance have a dump taken on it just to appease the impatient. Spot on. :thumbup:
jasonbirder Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 This is what I don't understand. Stable guys have to know the hold up isn't because ED is pointing and laughing at them (well no more then they do to all of us really) I wouldn't say laughing at them that's a little too emotive...I'd merely suggest, they don't feel its important to allocate resources to working on a functioning stable build as they continue to add in more and more complexity and new functionality into every new OB iteration...rather than getting existing functionality working to the point it can make the transition to stable. I'd also suggest that given their obvious reluctance to add BUG FIXES (not new functionality) to the 6 month old 2.5.5. release (bug fixes are already integrated into subsequent 2.5.6.xxx releases) that the user experience for customers on the stable branch is most emphatically NOT a priority... Compare and contrast the functionality of the Mirage 2000C in stable and in OB and tell me which is working better if you want the most egregious example. Its not that people are desperate for an update to the stable branch because they're impatient for NEW content...they'd merely like previously working but currently broken modules and campaigns they have PAID for to be back in their proper functioning state... Perhaps most worrying is the point blank insistance from ED of giving absolutely NO information, timetables, deadlines, feedback or reassurance about the status of an update to stable...lets be honest we all have a better idea of when we're likely to see a new P47 module, a new Mosquito module or a new Marianas map...than we do of when our previously functioning modules and DLC campaigns might work again...
Gryzor Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 After 22 years, since 1998 (I was buying ED products since Flanker 2.0, all of them), I firmly take my decission to not buying anything more from ED, until I see significant changes in core sim. Having a "mosquito" or "mariana map" improvements... with more than 10 years with the same buggy clouds/wheather, horrible A.I., core optimization to just 1 trhead, etc... its enought for me. Enought.
sirrah Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 Bummer... In my head, today was the 20th of may! Now I'll have to wait a whole extra day for the SC! :mad: Ah well, at least I can tell the missus I'll be downstairs this evening for a super romantic Netflix session. But tomorrow evening, she'll have to do without me! :joystick: System specs: i7-8700K @stock speed - GTX 1080TI @ stock speed - AsRock Extreme4 Z370 - 32GB DDR4 @3GHz- 500GB SSD - 2TB nvme - 650W PSU HP Reverb G1 v2 - Saitek Pro pedals - TM Warthog HOTAS - TM F/A-18 Grip - TM Cougar HOTAS (NN-Dan mod) & (throttle standalone mod) - VIRPIL VPC Rotor TCS Plus with ALPHA-L grip - Pointctrl & aux banks <-- must have for VR users!! - Andre's SimShaker Jetpad - Fully adjustable DIY playseat - VA+VAICOM - Realsimulator FSSB-R3 ~ That nuke might not have been the best of ideas, Sir... the enemy is furious ~ GUMMBAH
Wali763 Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 Bummer... In my head, today was the 20th of may! Now I'll have to wait a whole extra day for the SC! :mad: : Is SC-release timorrow confirmed? I did find nothing yet....
Etirion Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 Is SC-release timorrow confirmed? I did find nothing yet.... https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=273255 Planned for tomorrow
Revelation Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 Is SC-release timorrow confirmed? I did find nothing yet.... The latest news was that it is being released tomorrow. Unless something else comes up it should be available in roughly 24 hours. Win 10 Pro 64Bit | 49" UWHD AOC 5120x1440p | AMD 5900x | 64Gb DDR4 | RX 6900XT
Gierasimov Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 To the contrary... What about that free Mariana Islands map? No talk about that for a while. But they did. A month ago. It's in works and Kate (ED COO) said she hopes to be able to release it to Early Access by the end of this year. Intel Ultra 9 285K :: ROG STRIX Z890-A GAMING WIFI :: Kingston Fury 64GB :: MSI RTX 4080 Gaming X Trio :: VKB Gunfighter MK.III MCG Ultimate :: VPC MongoosT-50 CM3 :: non-VR :: single player :: open beta
Gierasimov Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 WOW! Thanks We knew already about the content for Hornet (or expected content) but I must say one thing -- The style of this message is like the BRRT from A-10C II tease. Well, good hits ! good hits! Intel Ultra 9 285K :: ROG STRIX Z890-A GAMING WIFI :: Kingston Fury 64GB :: MSI RTX 4080 Gaming X Trio :: VKB Gunfighter MK.III MCG Ultimate :: VPC MongoosT-50 CM3 :: non-VR :: single player :: open beta
Northstar98 Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) I wouldn't say laughing at them that's a little too emotive...I'd merely suggest, they don't feel its important to allocate resources to working on a functioning stable build as they continue to add in more and more complexity and new functionality into every new OB iteration...rather than getting existing functionality working to the point it can make the transition to stable. It's not a matter of importance, ED doesn't have limitless resources. Sure you can argue stop adding, start fixing. I'd also suggest that given their obvious reluctance to add BUG FIXES (not new functionality) to the 6 month old 2.5.5. release (bug fixes are already integrated into subsequent 2.5.6.xxx releases) that the user experience for customers on the stable branch is most emphatically NOT a priority... Obvious reluctance? More like the reality of software development... Bug fixes are still dependent on versions, there are plenty of bug fixes that got re-bugged in successive updates... Or a feature that was working properly gets broken (such as Viggen external lights). For the last time you can't just willy nilly throw around bug fixes designed to work in one major build and expect it to go off without a hitch on something completely different. Updates and bug fixes aren't universal - and it's not impossible for something that was working properly to get broken in successive updates (obviously). So what they'll have to do is spend more time on fixes to get them to work on both versions and test them on the stable, great we've just made their workload even larger, fantastic! Just what we need! (sarcasm) And when 2.5.5 stable is updated to a working 2.5.6 build? Well all that extra development to get the fix working in 2 different major builds and the testing to make sure it works (otherwise stable just becomes another OB, completely undermining the point of stable) was all completely for nothing. Well, apart from stalling the whiners and shutting them up temporarily. Whiners who can't stomach the wait, and instead of solving their problem or accepting the compromise, they stick their fingers in their ears, pretend to know more about software development that the developers, and even pretend there's a conspiracy to screw over stable and its user base, despite it being the build the majority uses as well as the actual release version of DCS, and the ultimate goal of the Open Beta builds... Sounds plausible (no it doesn't). I mean seriously, this is getting really old and really boring, and if I see more of this brain disconnection - then I'm just going to link you towards one of my other posts where I've explained this to you tonnes of times only to be ignored because I guess it doesn't suite your narrative. I mean who hard is waiting around for something? Why are you so desperate for a broken build? As far as I can tell you want the features the OB has, but aren't willing to install it, and aren't willing to wait for the stable build... Compare and contrast the functionality of the Mirage 2000C in stable and in OB and tell me which is working better if you want the most egregious example. Different build, and new features designed to work on said build, not our build. Its not that people are desperate for an update to the stable branch because they're impatient for NEW content...they'd merely like previously working but currently broken modules and campaigns they have PAID for to be back in their proper functioning state... Riiiiiiight Perhaps most worrying is the point blank insistance from ED of giving absolutely NO information, timetables, deadlines, feedback or reassurance about the status of an update to stable... BIGNEWY alone has told you multiple times. But just to hammer it home... THEY DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY CAN DO A STABLE BUILD, BECAUSE DOING A STABLE BUILD IS DEPENDENT ON THE OPEN BETA BUILD WORKING PROPERLY. IF THE OPEN BETA ISN'T WORKING PROPERLY, THEY CANNOT DO A STABLE. THE OPEN BETA IS MEANT FOR TESTING, IF THEIR TESTING DOESN'T YIELD ADEQUATE RESULTS FOR A STABLE BUILD (LIKE THEY ARE) HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHEN THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DO A STABLE - THEY DO NOT KNOW UNTIL THE OPEN BETA IS WORKING PROPERLY Seriously, throughout OB and Stable's coexistence, they've only announced planned stable updates AFTER an OB patch fixes all show stopper issues, I wonder why... Ooh! I've got an idea! Is it because the time machine hasn't been invented yet? Or is it because magic future predicting crystal balls don't exist? Maybe it's because complicated software, development from a base never originally designed for what it became, and according to Kate some of it is "spaghetti" might lend itself not being very predictable - WHICH IS WHY THE OPEN BETA EXISTS! lets be honest we all have a better idea of when we're likely to see a new P47 module, a new Mosquito module or a new Marianas map...than we do of when our previously functioning modules and DLC campaigns might work again... Oh okay, then, if we all have a better idea when we're likely to see the P47, the Mosquito or the Marianas map, give us a date. The current date for the next OB patch is tomorrow, with another planned in 2 weeks time (AFAIK) so my current bet is a stable patch mid-ish June Edited May 19, 2020 by Northstar98 Can't spell Modules I own: F-14A/B, F-4E, Mi-24P, AJS 37, AV-8B N/A, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070S FE, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro.
boedha68 Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 I am excited for the New update. At last 'SUPER CARRIER'. :D Newest system: AMD 9800X3d, Kingsting 128 GBDDR5, MSI RTX 5090(ready for buying), Corsair 150 Pro, 3xSamsung 970 Pro, Logitech X-56 HOTAS, Pimax Crystal Light (Super is purchased) ASUS 1200 Watt. New system:I9-9900KS, Kingston 128 GB DDR4 3200Mhz, MSI RTX 4090, Corsair H150 Pro RGB, 2xSamsung 970 EVO 2Tb, 2xsamsung 970 EVO 1 TB, Scandisk m2 500 MB, 2 x Crucial 1 Tb, T16000M HOTAS, HP Reverb Professional 2, Corsair 750 Watt. Old system:I7-4770K(OC 4.5Ghz), Kingston 24 GB DDR3 1600 Mhz,MSI RTX 2080(OC 2070 Mhz), 2 * 500 GB SSD, 3,5 TB HDD, 55' Samsung 3d tv, Trackir 5, Logitech HD Cam, T16000M HOTAS. All DCS modules, maps and campaigns:pilotfly:
Harlikwin Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 No, it's time to update the stable, when 2.5.6 is ready for it, not before. I don't want to have my performance have a dump taken on it just to appease the impatient. Disclaimer: I exclusively play stable. Yeah honestly I think you are right. Performance in DCS OB is pretty bad relative to the old stable. And a bunch of stuff is pretty bugged in OB right now, plane evading missiles, hypersonic chaff, broken datalinks etc. But my guess is that you guys will inherit this for the time being, while 2.5.7 or whatever will be SC plus some fixes. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).
jasonbirder Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 Oh okay, then, if we all have a better idea when we're likely to see the P47, the Mosquito or the Marianas map, give us a date. According to ED...before the end of 2020...now, just remind me WHEN did ED say we were getting an update to stable (you know the version the overwhelming majority of their customers utilise) ??? That's right...they didn't
ngreenaway Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 According to ED...before the end of 2020...now, just remind me WHEN did ED say we were getting an update to stable (you know the version the overwhelming majority of their customers utilise) ??? That's right...they didn't Give it a break, birder. I don't know how many times it's been explained that stable update isn't condition based, and they haven't known how long it would take to iron out all the wrinkles. It's easy to estimate how long it takes to code a module It's a different thing to estimate how long it takes to troubleshoot wide ranging and conflicting fault reports [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] DCS: The most expensive free game you'll ever play Modules: All of them System: I9-9900k, ROG Maximus , 32gb ram, RTX2070 Founder's Edition, t16000,hotas, pedals & cougar MFD, HP Reverb 1.2, HTC VIVE
Gryzor Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 How is expected supercarrier performance in VR? any news from previews?
Greyman Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 Check out the Stingers video. VR gets a very good write-up.
boedha68 Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 Check out the Stingers video. VR gets a very good write-up. It's on oculus. HP Reverb has more pixels to do. :D Newest system: AMD 9800X3d, Kingsting 128 GBDDR5, MSI RTX 5090(ready for buying), Corsair 150 Pro, 3xSamsung 970 Pro, Logitech X-56 HOTAS, Pimax Crystal Light (Super is purchased) ASUS 1200 Watt. New system:I9-9900KS, Kingston 128 GB DDR4 3200Mhz, MSI RTX 4090, Corsair H150 Pro RGB, 2xSamsung 970 EVO 2Tb, 2xsamsung 970 EVO 1 TB, Scandisk m2 500 MB, 2 x Crucial 1 Tb, T16000M HOTAS, HP Reverb Professional 2, Corsair 750 Watt. Old system:I7-4770K(OC 4.5Ghz), Kingston 24 GB DDR3 1600 Mhz,MSI RTX 2080(OC 2070 Mhz), 2 * 500 GB SSD, 3,5 TB HDD, 55' Samsung 3d tv, Trackir 5, Logitech HD Cam, T16000M HOTAS. All DCS modules, maps and campaigns:pilotfly:
Northstar98 Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) According to ED...before the end of 2020...now, just remind me WHEN did ED say we were getting an update to stable (you know the version the overwhelming majority of their customers utilise) ??? That's right...they didn't Nor have they ever given a stable patch date when the OB build wasn't ready to be ported to stable. The stable build is dependent on a working OB build as has been the case since they've coexisted. And by the end of 2020, sounds precise... Do you honestly think we won't see a stable update until 2021? If tomorrows patch goes well, and the June patch goes well, we could see an OB by the 10th of June - notice I said if because if it goes badly, that'll push the stable back, which is what we've been experiencing since 2020... This is why they can't give us a date, because any date they give is likely to be unreliable (even by usual DCS standards), because they have to assume the OB goes off without a hitch... They can't possibly know how well it'll go until it's undergone mass testing by the OB user base - hence why they can't give you a date for stable... Seriously this is the last time I'm explaining it to you. Edited May 19, 2020 by Northstar98 Modules I own: F-14A/B, F-4E, Mi-24P, AJS 37, AV-8B N/A, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070S FE, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro.
pimp Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 According to ED...before the end of 2020...now, just remind me WHEN did ED say we were getting an update to stable (you know the version the overwhelming majority of their customers utilise) ??? That's right...they didn't Dude, give it a rest. Every time I come to this thread I see that you've been repeating the same thing over & over. Those modules they've provided an time-frame on goes into OB not Stable when they're released. So yes, they can provide time-frames for that. Did they provide a time-frame for when those modules go into Stable? No, because the modules have to go through OB first. I'll create a petition to ED to have them make a special stable build just for you. Then you could start creating posts about how bugged your Stable version is. i9 14900k @5.6GHz NZXT Kraken |Asus ROG Strix Z790 A-Gaming | Samsung NVMe m.2 990 Pro 2TB | 64GB DDR5 6400MHz EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra | PiMAX CRYSTAL LIGHT | HOTAS Warthog | Saitek Flight Pedals
Falby Posted May 19, 2020 Posted May 19, 2020 What I'd like to know is why if tomorrows OB goes well why they can't release that to stable before adding more things.
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