CobaltUK Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 -It encourages a bad scan -it aint realistic -it can be distracting, as in you focus on it to much -another source of error --> MAYBE at some point down the road (bug?!) the overlay dosent show the same state as the actual Lense would. -and its cheating If the "realistic" on monitor (what a joke) were better done then the OPTIONAL user choice would not need to exist. How dare you say a server should have a right to disable. Is that what you are saying ? Windows 7/10 64bit, Intel i7-4770K 3.9GHZ, 32 GB Ram, Gforce GTX 1080Ti, 11GB GDDR5 Valve Index. Force IPD 63 (for the F-16) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t1mb0b Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 it's not cheating really is it, it's just enlarging something users in VR cant see without pressing a button to zoom VR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltUK Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 It can be argued that for competitive landings it might be disabled. Its just a pity that the current implementation of the ball in dcs makes such a tool desirable. The majority are NOT engaged in such landings orientated dcs. Windows 7/10 64bit, Intel i7-4770K 3.9GHZ, 32 GB Ram, Gforce GTX 1080Ti, 11GB GDDR5 Valve Index. Force IPD 63 (for the F-16) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raelias Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Having to zoom in hard to see the IFLOLS at 3/4 mile is not realistic either, we are in a sim our FOV or resolution in VR is greatly reduced, the option of an overlay is a good quality of life improvement for those who elect to use it Win10 64, MSI Krait Gaming Z370, I7 8700K, Geforce 1080Ti FTW3 ,32 GB Ram, Samsung 980 EVO SSD Modules: Combind Arms, A-10C, F-86F, F/A-18, F-16, Flaming Cliffs, KA-50, L-39, P-51, UH-1, Christen Eagle II, Persian Gulf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcrusty Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Competition or not, it should be optional on everyone's rig. I'm not going to use it if I don't have to. I like to see things where they are supposed to be, especially in VR. I'm sure the graphics experts on the dev team will find a way to enhance the vis and also increase the resolution of the ball movement … somewhere down the road. Regardless, the biggest improvement for me will be my future VR set. One of the these fancy new 'soon to be released' sets.;) Quick question: Is the IFLOLS position on screen 'draggable' so we can place it anywhere we want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coota0 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Cheating and not realistic says the guy behind a monitor in the comfort and safety of your own home, running a game and holding a toy, while having in-game bionic vision and owl like abilities. We need a like or thumbs up function! :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomTOTEN Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Cheating and not realistic says the guy behind a monitor in the comfort and safety of your own home, running a game and holding a toy, while having in-game bionic vision and owl like abilities. Just your average guy behind a monitor safely in his home (0KIAS, 0ft AGL, 1G), flying a game with his toy here. Yes, it's still "cheating".:lol: No bionic/owl vision used over here. Just compensating for being a guy sitting behind a monitor in the comfort and safety of his home. You might even be shocked that I "cheat" to compensate for holding a toy (curves & deadzone) too. Shocking... I know. And I cheat with my TrackIR too. Cheating only makes sense in a context of a competition. And unless you want to count the Greenie Board as a competition, the competitive part of DCS ends when the MASTER ARM is put to SAFE get over yourself.:P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastersetter Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Flight simmers can be really obnoxious sometimes, and reading this thread only reinforces that statement. The first time Ed introduces something to actually help 'PLAYERS' (not pilots people) and folks cry about it, unbelievable. Like the above poster says, get over yourselves for gods sake. i5-7600K @ 4.8 | 32GB | 1080 | Rift S | TM MFD & WH HOTAS-10mm ext + TFRP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Big.Biggs Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Cheating and not realistic says the guy behind a monitor in the comfort and safety of your own home, running a game and holding a toy, while having in-game bionic vision and owl like abilities. POST OF THE YEAR!!!! Well done sir! I9 (5Ghz turbo)2080ti 64Gb 3200 ram. 3 drives. A sata 2tb storage and 2 M.2 drives. 1 is 1tb, 1 is 500gb. Valve Index, Virpil t50 cm2 stick, t50 base and v3 throttle w mini stick. MFG crosswind pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorlima01 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Sometimes this community makes me lose interest in humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcrusty Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Oh FFS! where are we going with this, lol. Just a small check box in the game setup and everyone is happy:D BTW, has anyone seen what this FLOLS looks like at night? I usually turn down the lighting to minimum and I hope this "thing' will have low intensity at night. Perhaps it's not an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomTOTEN Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 So far it sounds like the carrier IFLOLS is not working at this time. We probably won't get a working one when it releases and will have to rely on the pop-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomTOTEN Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 How can you know? hopefully I got that link right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldur Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Wags' comment regarding the overlay in new Case I Recovery video: "It is currently automatic, but we plan to make it a toggle and on/off default settings. It is only a feature of Supercarrier." My proposal would be simple: Just add it to the RCtrl+Enter overlay and make the auto-popup optional. Everyone's gonna be happy. why can't they just increase the light intensity on the ship ?? You simply can't request realistic spotting or view distances at ED's... CASE 1.10 Cheating and not realistic says the guy behind a monitor in the comfort and safety of your own home, running a game and holding a toy, while having in-game bionic vision and owl like abilities. QOTY This community though... can't really fly online because everyone's turning dot labels off since "it's cheating". Having probably the crappiest Mk. Ib eyeballs that still can see something in the world, those are a great accessibility option for me, but well, "it's a cheat" still. Too bad they show up even if something's hidden behind the cockpit structure. Needs being worked on ASAP because THAT actually is the cheat all the boys are talking about. And since the migoto mod actually does change that (listed in the features, never tried it though becasue I can't even get the kegetys mod running in the first place which would anyway be the preferrable one for me because of DCS' VR performance) I just don't get why ED doesn't change it. Probably because it's prio level 1 in a scale of 1 to 100, the higher the more important thanks to "everyone" seeing it as a cheat anyway Well, the other reason is my rig simpy doesn't cut it anymore with the 50+% loss in fps in MP We need a like or thumbs up function! Legend has it the board once had a reputation function that everybody liked - except for the tech admins. I mean, why has it been removed out of a sudden? Don't quote me on that (To be fair, it probably just fell victim to a board software update which then didn't support the custom addon anymore, as always. At least that's my uneducated guess) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorX Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 I for one am glad to see the meatball overlay. I had a very hard time seeing it in my oculus rift. It may have to serve as a temporary solution until facebook/oculus gets a 4k VR headset with less screendoor effect. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "Is that you John Wayne?.......Is this me?" Full Metal Jacket //My Mission Data Card//My Cold Start Checklist //Clearing a Hung Store Tutorial //CDU Offset//Asterisk Error Correction Procedure//JTAC UTM Coordinate Entry Tutorial//JTAC 9 Line Lat Long Coordinate Entry Tutorial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebsu Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 yea i think also that it should be embedded into windows and always be over every other window that you have open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamin_Squirrel Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 Of all the things that make a carrier landing difficult, being able to see the FLOLS isn't one of them. This is just a handy tool to mitigate against the limitations of being desktop fliers. Cheating? :lol: Gimme a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackjack171 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 This is the funniest community I have ever seen. Half want realism, the other doesn't. And then the bickering back and forth over a game lol. I stopped flying military in P3D because I had heard that DCS is this and that and realistic. To an extent (it is just a game) it has realistic points but at the end of the day...sometimes it's just like Ace Combat got upgraded (never played it, just looked too fake). If you don't like said feature, don't use it. I stay off of servers because I don't want to dogfight with a pink Hornet (cool if that's your thing)! No harm, no foul. I hope I can toggle it off too because I never had a problem with the "real" one. But if not, oh well... Peace DO it or Don't, but don't cry about it. Real men don't cry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Useful or not, it should be optional. No one can impose something on the rest with which they are not comfortable. I personally do not like it and I want it to be optional so as not to force anyone to lack it. https://launionescuadron.webnode.es/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoBlue Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 FLOLS overlay needs to be optional at release! I don't want it on my screen. i7 8700k@4.7, 1080ti, DDR4 32GB, 2x SSD , HD 2TB, W10, ASUS 27", TrackIr5, TMWH, X-56, GProR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger-II Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) I'm curious as to why it is needed at all. The Ball should be visible on the side of the carrier as in reality. That they need a visual aid says something is very wrong with visibility generally within the sim. As for those screaming "it's only a game" - maybe, but we fly DCS as it is *supposed* to be the best of the best in terms of realism and accuracy. If we wanted arcade mode, there are dozens of other *games* out there. I do understand that VR users have resolution issues, so helping them out I see no issue with...as long as it is optional for the rest of us! I'm running a 4K display - how many pixels does it require before something should be visible? Even my 20-year-old digital camera has better resolving power than this. I'd prefer the lights to be a little too visible than a little not; it would still be more accurate/realistic than a pop-up. Edited May 19, 2020 by Tiger-II Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strikerdg Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 FLOLS overlay needs to be optional at release! I don't want it on my screen. I’m sure it will be.. cant imagine they’d force a blatantly unrealistic feature on people in this community. I also would hope the actual ball is fully functional on release. I found it slightly disturbing that one of the most iconic aspects of carrier landings hasn’t been working in these prerelease videos.. but I’m sure they fixed it. everybody is entitled to their own opinions but for me if there is no real ball at release I’ll still be landing on the old carrier until there is one. I’m sure some people will love the new feature though. With a reverb I’d say the current ball is nearly perfect in terms of a realistic difficulty acquiring it approaching the groove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger-II Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 I’m sure it will be.. cant imagine they’d force a blatantly unrealistic feature on people in this community. I also would hope the actual ball is fully functional on release. I found it slightly disturbing that one of the most iconic aspects of carrier landings hasn’t been working in these prerelease videos.. but I’m sure they fixed it. everybody is entitled to their own opinions but for me if there is no real ball at release I’ll still be landing on the old carrier until there is one. I’m sure some people will love the new feature though. With a reverb I’d say the current ball is nearly perfect in terms of a realistic difficulty acquiring it approaching the groove. +1 Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viper2097 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Why ? Simple because its kinda cheating. Running the Odyssey+ and have no problem to fly the ball on 1 mile. Steam user - Youtube I am for quality over quantity in DCS modules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=4c=Nikola Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 I'm curious as to why it is needed at all. The Ball should be visible on the side of the carrier as in reality. That they need a visual aid says something is very wrong with visibility generally within the sim. We need it for the same reason we need unrealistic TDC slew for F-18, unrealistic laser code entry for bombs, unrealistic flight controls position overlay, unrealistic pause, unrealistic active pause (it's outrageous to have feature that freezes aircraft in air, so hawxy)... Do not expect fairness. The times of chivalry and fair competition are long gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts