DmitriKozlowsky Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 IMHO in non-pinpoint AG strike, using any weapon other then JSOW is a waste of airframe. JSOW is incredibly effective weapon for non-pinpoint strike on formations. Even for point CAS missions, JSOW-C with unitary warhead is more effective then 65F.
Fuerte Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 If target is not defended. Seems to me, even Strelas and manpads try their best to intercept JSOWs, though they dont when engaged by mavericks. thats why JDAM has become the weapon of choice. When tgt is stationary, of course And another point against JSOW is huge amount of drag when using doble racks. IMHO as always.
Harker Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 JSOW C, more than US$ 700,000 JDAM, LBG, around US$ 20-25,000 AGM-65, cost tops out at slightly above US$ 100,000 Just saying. It's up to you to decide if you want to use realistic loadouts or not. There's no way they'd give you a JSOW if the job can be done with a JDAM, for example. The vCVW-17 is looking for Hornet and Tomcat pilots and RIOs. Join the vCVW-17 Discord. F/A-18C, F-15E, AV-8B, F-16C, JF-17, A-10C/CII, M-2000C, F-14, AH-64D, BS2, UH-1H, P-51D, Sptifire, FC3 - i9-13900K, 64GB @6400MHz RAM, 4090 Strix OC, Samsung 990 Pro
Rick50 Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 also, how many were bought? LGB's are way more common than JSOW. In game may not matter at all. But in real, the number available could vary drastically. Suddenly that JSOW is a rarity, and maybe you don't want to expend them on low value targets easily defeated with cheap common ordnance.
Flagrum Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 IMHO in non-pinpoint AG strike, using any weapon other then JSOW is a waste of airframe. JSOW is incredibly effective weapon for non-pinpoint strike on formations. Even for point CAS missions, JSOW-C with unitary warhead is more effective then 65F. Try hitting a moving target with it.
QuiGon Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 thats why JDAM has become the weapon of choice. When tgt is stationary, of course Or LJDAM nowadays, which can target moving targets as well. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
Fuerte Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 Or LJDAM nowadays, which can target moving targets as well.I mean DCS and here we have only INS/GPS ones :) RL is beautiful, no doubt.
PL_Harpoon Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 What do you mean by 'non pinpoint strike'? I guess he meant the burst warhead one.
Fri13 Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 All airframes are waste if they can't drop a tactical nuclear to simply devastate the enemy and tell them who they are against..... i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K.
Fuerte Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 Why do we have to build airframes and train their crews? Choose ICBM! Fantastic standoff capabilities.
Eldur Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 Just hack their govts and leak their private chats. More effective than any weapon nowadays In DCS one JSOW is being misused constantly instead of cracking up bunkers and the other is a nice set of fireworks, but literally doesn't deal any damage at all which is why the first is done.
DrBackJack Posted July 18, 2020 Posted July 18, 2020 IMHO in non-pinpoint AG strike, using any weapon other then JSOW is a waste of airframe. JSOW is incredibly effective weapon for non-pinpoint strike on formations. Even for point CAS missions, JSOW-C with unitary warhead is more effective then 65F. So you're the kind of person that loads 8x jsows :lol:
silverdevil Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 So you're the kind of person that loads 8x jsows :lol: uhoh i have been doing it wrong since JSOWs were introduced. since we do not have to pay anything, the cost is irrelevant. i personally like to load 8, get rid of the AA, then go back to finish up the helpless ground targets with something different after reload. though it is an interesting point. what if we had a budget and had to be aware of costs? maybe a wish list for the ME. AKA_SilverDevil Join AKA Wardogs Email Address My YouTube “The MIGS came up, the MIGS were aggressive, we tangled, they lost.” - Robin Olds - An American fighter pilot. He was a triple ace. The only man to ever record a confirmed kill while in glide mode.
Harker Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 uhoh i have been doing it wrong since JSOWs were introduced. since we do not have to pay anything, the cost is irrelevant. i personally like to load 8, get rid of the AA, then go back to finish up the helpless ground targets with something different after reload. though it is an interesting point. what if we had a budget and had to be aware of costs? maybe a wish list for the ME.It's already possible to limit the number of available weapons in the ME. And weapon availability should also definitely be a thing once the dynamic campaign is implemented. The vCVW-17 is looking for Hornet and Tomcat pilots and RIOs. Join the vCVW-17 Discord. F/A-18C, F-15E, AV-8B, F-16C, JF-17, A-10C/CII, M-2000C, F-14, AH-64D, BS2, UH-1H, P-51D, Sptifire, FC3 - i9-13900K, 64GB @6400MHz RAM, 4090 Strix OC, Samsung 990 Pro
Furiz Posted July 19, 2020 Posted July 19, 2020 Seeing people with 8xJSAWs seems a lot unrealistic, on any real combat footage there is out there you can see one or two of those destined to hit some high value target, same goes with harpoons, slams, even gbu12 are not loaded in high numbers on one airframe.
bennyboy9800 Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 JSOWs get picked out of the sky like flies by SA-15s and SA-10s. Your point is incredibly invalid Intel i7 9700k CPU Nvidia GTX 1080Ti 16GB RAM Samsung 256GB SSD Thrustmaster T16000m HOTAS
silverdevil Posted July 22, 2020 Posted July 22, 2020 JSOWs get picked out of the sky like flies by SA-15s and SA-10s. Your point is incredibly invalid If your targets are not these types or protected by these types, it works great. To your point I have seen both AIM120s and AIM9 shot at low flying helicopters get shot down by some sort of 23-4. Same units ignored the JSOWs. AKA_SilverDevil Join AKA Wardogs Email Address My YouTube “The MIGS came up, the MIGS were aggressive, we tangled, they lost.” - Robin Olds - An American fighter pilot. He was a triple ace. The only man to ever record a confirmed kill while in glide mode.
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