cold war germany What next after Syria map?

[Callsign112]

On 6/19/2021 at 11:05 PM, Devil 505 said:

Africa for WW2.  It would open up a lot of different options for assets and aircraft.  Something not many sims have focused on.

 

On 8/4/2021 at 6:51 PM, Rick50 said:

 

Thinking a map that covers Israel, parts of Jordan, parts of Egypt... one that eventually might be "bolted to" the Syria map!  Why?  Because the Six-Day War of 1967, Yom Kippur War of 1973, because Migs Vs. Mirage, because history, because having a larger map by combining two, is a good long term goal! Also get the Mediteranean waters too.

 

So using the same map size as Syria as a theoretical template (about 550km by 550km), the Egypt map would include all of Israel and Sinai, and would stretch from a little west of Cairo to just a little east of Amman, allowing for vast contested areas, three capitol cities, and even include the beautiful Jordanian desert mountain region around Petra and Wadi-Rum. I'm not sure how many airbases this map would exclude from Jordanian and Egyptians, but I have to think there must be a few near those two capitol cities.

 

If that's not super practical, then maybe it could be increased in width and decreased in length, say maybe 380km, from Haifa to Eliat, and that would still keep a little bit of the Gulf of Suez. Then, it could be widened from Alexandria, to about halfways into Jordan, right by the Saudi border near Kaf or Al Hadditha. That might be better geometry, and still keep most of Israel/Sinai. 

 

 

That said I still want the Nordic region and the two Koreas!

 

 

Edit:

I'd love to have some Mirage III's for such a map... all gleaming in polished aluminum!

 

 

Excellent map suggestion IMO, especially N. Africa.

[YoYo]

We know that probably the next ED (and Ugra I suppose) map will be Afganistan (2023 perhaps).

My wishes are:

- Vietnam

- any new european theather (Baltic region, Bosnia/Serbia/Herzegovina or part of Germany/Poland for cold war operations).

I think desert maps are enough for us Today (PG, Syria, Nevada). SA map will bring some of fresh air to DCS.

Edited June 4, 2022 by YoYo

[Rick50]

So I was just thinking a bit about the notion of a map for Yugoslavia (Bosnia, Croatia and so on).  When I was there in the mid-90's, a lot of people had run away, understandable considering the uncivil war an all... but also, I remember there didn't seem to be very many roads in the area I was in, and many of them were gravel roads not paved.

Yet... from recent photos from visitors of the same area, and GoogleMaps picture imagery, it's become completely transformed with a LOT  more fancy paved high speed highways, seemingly more built up areas... there seems to be a great deal "more" to the region, or at least parts of it. 

Why do I mention it?  Because... well, the place has changed visually and practically, since that was a conflict area.  What does everyone want out of such a map? Do you want to recreate the 1990's ? Or is a present day map what you all want?

It's maybe not the most pressing question, but I do think it's important to ask, so that customers don't have a backlash to a poor dev team! 

[Andrew8604]

I still think a Vietnam Map would be best for next.  I know it would be a large area, but parts of it would just have to be at lower detail levels where the action is typically not.  It's also the classic theater for the upcoming F-4E Phantom II (as well as F-4B, C, D and J.)  The A-7E, F-8J, A-6E and A-4E-C would all fit well there.  The MiG-21bis and MiG-19P would be okay there, too.  What is needed then is the F-105D, A-1H or J and F-100D, and MiG-17 (Isn't the MiG-17 essentially a stretched MiG-15 with a more swept wing and an afterburning engine?  The cockpit and gun armament are probably mostly the same).  And a few AI aircraft:  KC-135A, KA-3B, RA-5C (static), HH-3E and SH-3E.  The HH-3E Jolly Green might be a good one to be multicrew flyable, though.  Of course, more modern aircraft could be used in various scenarios.

Question is, can a map be made that is about 650 NM across by 570 NM north to south (14-30' N to 23-30' N and 99-30' E to 111-00' E)?  If the whole thing was detailed, I reckon not.  But can parts of it be very detailed and other parts low detail?  Such as the way NAS China Lake and NAS Fallon are now on the Nevada Map?  Areas that will not see action can be low detail.  Much of the areas of Thailand might be low detail because they will typically be overflown at high altitude.   What makes it so large are the airbases in Thailand.  Takhli and Khorat are way down in the southwest corner.  But definitely exclude Bangkok from the map.  Too much detail would have to go into that.  So, no B-52 base at U Tapao...and none of the area south of Chu Lai.  The other bases would be Udorn, Ubon, and Nakon Phanom, I think.  Along the coast would be Da Nang and Chu Lai.  Most of the detailed areas would be nearly all of North Vietnam and eastern portions of Laos.  The Hanoi area circa 1968, not today...the whole map would be circa 1968...which should work for the whole period of 1964 to 1975.  Offshore would be Yankee Station where the carriers and their escort ships would be stationed...something like a Forrestal and a "CVA" Essex with maybe a "CVS" Essex as escort and about 8-10 destroyers and cruisers as escorts.  That might include a cruiser and destroyer up north to provide radar coverage.

I think a Vietnam Map would be the best, most classic area until global scenery comes around.  The jets could really stretch their legs...most missions would usually require in-flight refueling.  And until an F-100 Super Sabre and A-1 Skyraider are made, the F-86F and P-47D could fill in.  This map would have no desert and no snow, but lots of humidity to make the jets show vapor over the wings much of the time at low levels.  And visible shock waves around bomb bursts.  Also, try to include towering cumulous clouds, and associated cloud layers high and low.

[carss]

12 hours ago, Andrew8604 said:

MiG-17 (Isn't the MiG-17 essentially a stretched MiG-15 with a more swept wing and an afterburning engine?  The cockpit and gun armament are probably mostly the same).  And a few AI aircraft:  KC-135A, KA-3B, RA-5C (static), HH-3E and SH-3E.  The HH-3E Jolly Green might be a good one to be multicrew flyable, though.  Of course, more modern aircraft could be used in various scenarios.

Sort of yes, I already believe Red Star simulations is making a Mig-17 and they're trying to make it a full fidelity module as well. I 100% agree with you on the Cold War assets as well, we need those badly for any and all coalitions they can be added to

[Furiz]

Really love what Ugra Media has done with Syria,  I enjoy that map every day, thanks for that guys!

 

Don't know if it was mentions before but I'd love if you create Balkans map for us, thanks!

[AG-51_Razor]

On 8/25/2021 at 3:38 AM, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

If you include Korea, I am afraid the game may be banned in Korea.

 

Very curious as to why you believe this.

[diveplane]

no more sand maps plzzzzz , vietnam or a snow covered landscape Alaska

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

What about a sea-only map? A random location in the Pacific/Atlantic/Indian/Artic/Antarctic is fine to me. My £££ is ready. 

[XCNuse]

1 hour ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

What about a sea-only map? A random location in the Pacific/Atlantic/Indian/Artic/Antarctic is fine to me. My £££ is ready. 

So like... Marianas?

Or.. South America...

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Just kidding

[carss]

On 6/4/2022 at 2:41 AM, YoYo said:

We know that probably the next ED (and Ugra I suppose) map will be Afganistan (2023 perhaps).

My wishes are:

- Vietnam

- any new european theather (Baltic region, Bosnia/Serbia/Herzegovina or part of Germany/Poland for cold war operations).

I think desert maps are enough for us Today (PG, Syria, Nevada). SA map will bring some of fresh air to DCS.

 

I'm 100% for Cold War, I feel we need more cold war playgrounds!

[Mike Force Team]

How about creating a map involving Latin America,  Caribbean islands, Mexico, and mothers part of South America?

A Cuban Missle Crisis map would be awesome.

Mike Force Team

Edited October 28, 2022 by Mike Force Team

[Rick50]

On 10/27/2022 at 5:58 PM, Mike Force Team said:

How about creating a map involving Latin America,  Caribbean islands, Mexico, and mothers part of South America?

A Cuban Missle Crisis map would be awesome.

Mike Force Team

 

 

I like your creativity! Also, yes, good choices.

 

Sure, we haven't seen much Hornet/Viper action in those countries, but the future could hold that, and fictional scenarios opens up all sorts of interesting possibilities, even if the real world geopolitics wouldn't actually go that way. The Grippen seems to be getting attention in South America... and the Super Tucano is selling like hotcakes... 

In the distant past, we used to see a lot of video games back in the 80's and 90's with "anti-drug cartel" storylines... that could work if it were done well, and some real creativity helped to embelish the story. 

Cuban Crisis gone hot... nightmarish for those that lived through it, but a DCS focus on this could be VERY interesting... recon, early SAM's, carrier ops, sub hunting, nook bomber intercepts... 

 

[Baco]

a map of Cuba would be Awesome to say the least, but its huge. You might think its a small Caribbean island, but its enormous: you would need a map 600 Kilometers tall by 1100 km long, and it would be mostly land and dense vegetation.. think marianas on steroids...

Even with the new MT i don´t know if it would run at all in a regular PC... And teh island has its fair share of cities, towns and other object intensive areas.

This said, if somebody pulls it off,  (and they better if we want to see Vietnam ), It would be first day buy for me...

[Seaside]

If it's WW2 I would like the Solomon Islands or the area around Singapore / Burma.

 

[Antartis]

Do we know if there is a new map in development?

Syria and Normandy 2.0 are complete I think

 

[Wing]

Iraq or Afghanistan are the obvious next steps *wink wink, nudge nudge

[Silver_Dragon]

5 minutes ago, Wing said:

Iraq or Afghanistan are the obvious next steps *wink wink, nudge nudge

Afganistan has on ED side.

[Alpiinoo]

Iraq will be very good.

[Mr_sukebe]

Assuming that ED have already decided to do Vietnam and we know have Afghanistan in the works, then maybe:

- Iran/Iraq

- southern Japan / Okinawa

- the Med, taking in southern Italy, Libya, Malta, Sicily

[MAXsenna]

2 minutes ago, Mr_sukebe said:

Assuming that ED have already decided to do Vietnam and we know have Afghanistan in the works, then maybe:

- Iran/Iraq

- southern Japan / Okinawa

- the Med, taking in southern Italy, Libya, Malta, Sicily

The logical step would be East and Iraq, because they can't really go South. Hopefully they can get further East into Iran.

[draconus]

Looks like Iraq has been taken by ED, so my vote for...

Poland

Great for both WW2, CW and modern times but I prefer the latter. NATO member since 1999.

Home for DCS MiG-29A and F-16C fighters, C-130*, Mi-8, plus NATO Air Policy including F-15C and E.

Possible tensions around Baltic region and conflicts with the east side - Russia (Kaliningrad) and Belarus.

*module WIP

[Qcumber]

57 minutes ago, draconus said:

Looks like Iraq has been taken by ED, so my vote for...

Poland

Great for both WW2, CW and modern times but I prefer the latter. NATO member since 1999.

Home for DCS MiG-29A and F-16C fighters, C-130*, Mi-8, plus NATO Air Policy including F-15C and E.

Possible tensions around Baltic region and conflicts with the east side - Russia (Kaliningrad) and Belarus.

*module WIP

A Baltic map would be interesting but would be huge. However most would be sea. It could be developed as sections (as with Afghanistan) to cover South (Poland coast), East (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania), West (Denmark, Sweden). It would be great for WW2. You might even be able to get Berlin in the south part of the map. 

[Mr_sukebe]

1 hour ago, Qcumber said:

A Baltic map would be interesting but would be huge. However most would be sea. It could be developed as sections (as with Afghanistan) to cover South (Poland coast), East (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania), West (Denmark, Sweden). It would be great for WW2. You might even be able to get Berlin in the south part of the map. 

The Kola map is already under development by Orbx.

Edited April 9, 2024 by Mr_sukebe