VR quality settings

[Wychmaster]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb VampireNZ:

Could we PLEASE have an option to just disable clouds fully in the settings page (not just using the ME) until this is sorted! Simple check-box...

While I agree that the new clouds are something I rather turn off in VR whenever I have the opportunity using the ME, I wouldn't ask for this option. We are playing a BETA version and that comes at the price of an increased number of bugs and unfinished features. Finding and optimizing them is its purpose. Asking the devs to waste time into implementing an UI option to solve a problem that will get fixed anyways is kind of pointless (yes, something seemingly that simple can take several hours). And even if it would require less than 5 minutes, ED would have to face angry people that found out that some other people turned off their clouds in MP to get an advantage over players that didn't do that. Sure, problem is solveable by adding a new option to override it in MP -> more dev time -> other problem -> more dev time -> ... and so on.

 

So it is probably better for ED to invest their time in fixing the original problem.

If it is too bad for you, there is always the possibility to go back to the stable version.

[Elunnia]

I hope this will not pollute this thread, but is there any ED announces about rain drop in VR? 

I mean, in 2D it's super realistic with big drops which slide on canopy. In VR it's small dropplets which disapear quickly and doesn't move. I don't know how it is in Reverb, but in CV1 I cannot see the rain drop moving from "the hud" to the back of the canopy like in 2D when moving forward. Even if I stick my head on the HUD.

 

So is it something cause of low definition VR headset or is it something due to a DCS VR setting which cannot change? 

 

PS: I tried with several plane, F18-A10C-F14-P51-SU27,etc... Overcast and rain 1 & 2.

[pimp]

7 hours ago, Elunnia said:

I hope this will not pollute this thread, but is there any ED announces about rain drop in VR? 

I mean, in 2D it's super realistic with big drops which slide on canopy. In VR it's small dropplets which disapear quickly and doesn't move. I don't know how it is in Reverb, but in CV1 I cannot see the rain drop moving from "the hud" to the back of the canopy like in 2D when moving forward. Even if I stick my head on the HUD.

 

So is it something cause of low definition VR headset or is it something due to a DCS VR setting which cannot change? 

 

PS: I tried with several plane, F18-A10C-F14-P51-SU27,etc... Overcast and rain 1 & 2.

It's an almost 3 year reported issue. It seems to be a very very very low priority.

 

[zaelu]

+1 clouds are bad in VR.
probably they need some work/effort/time/money for a good result and probably ED doesn't have yet a good solution for both problems. For clouds they are fuzzy objects and seen in VR they might be flickering badly on edges if quality would be forced on ultra, probably because the edges might not be the same fuzziness everywhere for both eyes.  Same with the rain drops... objects with a lot of refraction and very close to the eyes so a lot of problems if they don't work well due to increased depth effect at that range.

When I see such problems I usually start with the "solution": they can't or don't know yet how to solve it. It's the best fitting explanation for me for the fact. No high hopes etc.

Edited April 29, 2021 by zaelu

[Jafergon]

On 4/26/2021 at 4:58 PM, average_pilot said:

 But what I fear now is that this parallelism results on neither of this problems resolved in many years instead.

 

I hope it's solved sooner than that, after all in the patch notes they stated that it's a priority issue to be fixed

[bigalsunit]

An update from the developers might clear some of this up. After all, VR pilots were led to believe that we would also be receiving usable clouds with the move to 2.7.

Edited April 29, 2021 by bigalsunit

[nrosko]

50 minutes ago, bigalsunit said:

An update from the developers might clear some of this up. After all, VR pilots were led to believe that we would also be receiving usable clouds with the move to 2.7.

 

They responded & said they are looking into it. 

[bigalsunit]

The fact remains that currently the sky is completely detached from the sim environment when flying in VR. I do not believe that a little update regarding this issue is too much to ask of the developers. 

Edited April 29, 2021 by bigalsunit

[joca133]

Since we are discussing how VR is abandoned... am I the only one almost getting seizures when the game is loading? With steamvr and G2 its a strobe fest on the loading screen.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

Just now, joca133 said:

With steamvr and G2 its a strobe fest on the loading screen

No, you're not the only one. As far as I understand, it's due to Windows Mixed Reality. They have a lot to learn from Oculus, as their headsets don't have that problem.

Just do what everyone else does, and close your eyes while the game is loading (if you read the WMR sticky in the VR subforum, you can see lots of people are complaining about that "strobing" effect).

[coopercobra03]

18 minutes ago, joca133 said:

Since we are discussing how VR is abandoned... am I the only one almost getting seizures when the game is loading? With steamvr and G2 its a strobe fest on the loading screen.

Yeah my G1 does the same thing, I just rest the head set on the top of my head until the game has loaded up...  

[5ephir0th]

37 minutes ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

No, you're not the only one. As far as I understand, it's due to Windows Mixed Reality. They have a lot to learn from Oculus, as their headsets don't have that problem.

No, not looks like a WMR thing, more like a SteamVR one, my Quest 2 suffer the same if i use Steam VR

Edited April 30, 2021 by 5ephir0th

[joca133]

37 minutes ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

No, you're not the only one. As far as I understand, it's due to Windows Mixed Reality. They have a lot to learn from Oculus, as their headsets don't have that problem.

Just do what everyone else does, and close your eyes while the game is loading (if you read the WMR sticky in the VR subforum, you can see lots of people are complaining about that "strobing" effect).

 

It's dazzling! I am not epileptic...yet. Thanks for confirming this is not something isolated, I haven't had time to go through the forums lately and the whole VR experience seems like well... a beta thing at best. Im getting sub 45fps with 3080 and 3700x.

[Jafergon]

From the latest newsletter, it's very encouraging:

 

"DCS World 2.7 Open Beta is now running at full power and feedback is coming in fast from the community. Thank you all for helping us with bug reports and suggestions, it is highly appreciated. We are currently also working to improve clouds, water and wave issues and enhance certain terrain features before moving 2.7 to Stable. "

[Wychmaster]

vor 9 Stunden schrieb average_pilot:

I think it happens only with non-native SteamVR headsets. If some Vive/Index user could confirm that would be welcome.

I have an Index and there are no strobe effects when loading the game. 

[Taz1004]

9 hours ago, average_pilot said:

I think it happens only with non-native SteamVR headsets. If some Vive/Index user could confirm that would be welcome.

 

I have Vive Pro.  Loading screen will freeze from time to time but no "strobing"

 

BTW, 2.7 runs really smooth on Vive Pro.  Much better than 2.5 and even better than MSFS 2020.  Cloud does crawl but doesn't bother me that much.  Only thing that bothers me is that it crashes if I change plane often.

 

i7-4790K and GTX 1080.  Final render resolution is 2880x3200 per eye.

Edited May 1, 2021 by Taz1004

[Danimal1306]

While it’s obvious that 2D clouds render better than in VR, it’s the same for any object at a distance. The clouds we have gotten in 2.7 are far and away better than before! Thanks ED for a great product, and continually working to improve it!  
 

Nothing is as good visually in VR vs 2D. We sacrifice that visual quality for the immersion that VR achieves. That said, it would be amazing if ED could get clouds in VR looking closer to 2D!

[pimp]

Ever since this thread started, I've always wished people would tailor their expectations for this very reason.

[Jafergon]

That's exactly right. I'm fully aware that overall in VR these days it's hard to get the same quality that you can get in 2D. The point of this thread was simply to notify as a bug that quality options in the settings menu don't have any effect in VR, so you can't adjust them accordingly with your hardware at the moment.

[pimp]

Yeah your thread has been high-jacked about 20 times.

[Dragon1-1]

Why would things look worse in VR, though? Other than bugs in the code, there's no reason that something that can be rendered on a 4K screen couldn't be rendered on a 4K VR display, isn't it? Performance is the only limiting factor, but people are running 3090s now. The only problems I can see are issues resulting from having to use two cameras, but I think that can be fixed with enough effort.

[zildac]

Personally I'd love to see a patch that was VR focused. As much as I appreciate the huge amount of effort that the team constantly put into the sim, there are some real VR fundamentals that need to be addressed. The fact the US military are using the platform as part of their A10 training syllabus is reason enough surely.

[Wychmaster]

The jittering was mostly fixed in the last patch. Is the quality issue also fixed?

[Steff Bourne]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb Wychmaster:

The jittering was mostly fixed in the last patch. Is the quality issue also fixed?

Yes they quality is also improved. The experience is now fantastic in vr. I like the patch very much

[falcon_120]

There is work to be done on quality, but much improved! The jittering was a deal breaker