I want to buy but I fear it will be unplayable for me

[Boosterdog]

Im a rotorhead. I have firends who both work on and fly the Apache. In all aspects this should be an "instabuy" for me. 

Unfortunatley 2.7 taxes my system and, at low level, reducing settings (flat terrain shadows etc) just kills immersion for a Helo especailly after the full overcast options were taken away and replaced with the beautiful but expensive new clouds. 

In the steam cockpit of the Hind I can just about keep my head above water by limiting activity within a mission but this leaves me only 15 fps headroom on average to soak up everthing else including the clunky triggering and leaves me largely constricted to the PG and Caucauses. Syria is simply not playable.

My concern lies mainly with the Apache's MFDs. The single Shval in the KA50 at low level hammers perfomance in very high densisty areas. Even the Mi8 can stutter at times.  Assuming that both cockpits will be fully rendered at all times as in the F14 and Hind, having at least 2 MFDs operational as a "live image" at any given time will undoubtedly turn my game into slideshow. Mid alt ops in the old A10C with the two screens running "live" Mav/TPOD images was often problematic. 

So , 2 fold question -

any tips on reducing the impact as the game stands? I already have the lowest 256 setting for cockpit displays but Im thinking more of the mission editor, weather settings, high impact items etc

any assurance/seeds of hope from ED that MC and/or Vulkan/API improvemants will in anyway ease such issues or is this very much a GPU thing. (I think i already know the answer on this).

Thanks

 

Edited November 27, 2021 by Boosterdog

[stormrider]

6 minutes ago, Boosterdog said:

Im a rotorhead. I have firends who both work on and fly the Apache. In all aspects this should be an "instabuy" for me. 

Unfortunatley 2.7 taxes my system and, at low level, reducing settings (flat terrain shadows etc) just kills immersion for a Helo especailly after the full overcast options were taken away and replaced with the beautiful but expensive new clouds. 

In the steam cockpit of the Hind I can just about keep my head above water by limiting activity within a mission but this leaves me only 15 fps headroom on average to soak up everthing else including the clunky triggering and leaves me largely constricted to the PG and Caucauses. Syria is simply not playable.

My concern lies mainly with the Apache's MFDs. The single Shval in the KA50 at low level hammers perfomance in very high densisty areas. Even the Mi8 can stutter at times.  Assuming that both cockpits will be fully rendered at all times as in the F14 and Hind, having at least 2 MFDs operational as a "live image" at any given time will undoubtedly turn my game into slideshow. 

So , 2 fold question -

any tips on reducing the impact as the game stands? I already have the lowest 256 setting for cockpit displays but Im thinking more of the mission editor, weather settings, high impact items etc

any assurance/seeds of hope from ED that MC and/or Vulkan/API improvemants will in anyway ease such issues or is this very much a GPU thing. (I think i already know the answer on this).

Thanks

 

There is no easy way out. Even when/if Vulkan comes, it won't lower the hardware requirements. It will only make better use of hardware, primary the most actual of its time of release. On the other hand, like any DCS module, its something that's meant to last for years, so even if you can't afford it right now, eventually you'll catch up.

What're your specs btw?

[Boosterdog]

Just now, stormrider said:

There is no easy way out. Even when/if Vulkan comes, it won't lower the hardware requirements. It will only make better use of hardware, primary the most actual of its time of release. On the other hand, like any DCS module, its something that's meant to last for years, so even if you can't afford it right now, eventually you'll catch up.

What're your specs btw?

5600X undervolted, MSI Gaming X 1080 marginally OC'd,  32GB 2X16GB DDR 3600 16-16-16-32 dual ranked Trident Z Neo, Corsair RM850X. MSI Tomahawk X570 MB, 2X 4th Gen M2 drives. 

I know the 1080 is the limiting factor. I upgraded the CPU first as the PC is used by my missus for video editing and other such like.  Im condiering a warranted second hand 2080TI or a 3070ti but the price of both at present is....yknow.  

[Sabre_Ewan]

37 minutes ago, Boosterdog said:

5600X undervolted, MSI Gaming X 1080 marginally OC'd,  32GB 2X16GB DDR 3600 16-16-16-32 dual ranked Trident Z Neo, Corsair RM850X. MSI Tomahawk X570 MB, 2X 4th Gen M2 drives. 

I know the 1080 is the limiting factor. I upgraded the CPU first as the PC is used by my missus for video editing and other such like.  Im condiering a warranted second hand 2080TI or a 3070ti but the price of both at present is....yknow.  

I really don't understand how your performance is so bad with that computer. I'm on a 4790K, 6GB 1060, 32GB DDR3. I have most settings around the medium to high level and I rarely get any noticeable slowdown. There must be something else causing your problem, but I have no idea what.

[LooseSeal]

That's strange. I use a 1080 as well and as outdated as it is, it doesn't really do too badly. I mean sure, if I do a Liberation mission on the Syria map then there's issues. But I can run at decent settings, ultra clouds etc with no real stuttering in most normal scenarios.

As said above, something else might be an issue.

[Boosterdog]

39 minutes ago, Sabre_Ewan said:

I really don't understand how your performance is so bad with that computer. I'm on a 4790K, 6GB 1060, 32GB DDR3. I have most settings around the medium to high level and I rarely get any noticeable slowdown. There must be something else causing your problem, but I have no idea what.

So, Textures medium or high (Mi 8 High, all others Medium), Ground Textures High (All maps DO have a noticable degredation on low I dont care want anyone says), Water Medium (low if only inland, Civvy Traffic Off, Heat haze Low, View Distance Medium ((2.7 - used to be Ultra before 2.2.7) Shadows Medium, 1080P resolution, 2X MSAA, All the later stuff like SSAO off, Clouds Standard, Forests 85%, Clutter 1000, Tree and Scenery factors 0.9, Chimney smoke 1, No rain (its too buggy anyhow), Terrain Shadow default, Vsync on, Full screen on, Cockit global (love to have it on but its off again under 2.7).

So there is obvious low hanging fruit for some - default terrain shadows perhaps? - but a low speed at low level (helo) that looks awful.  This is my personal mininum. Any lower and I may as well try to go back to LOMAC.  Vsync is another - Im very sensitive to stutter - I will end missions if it happens a lot. I have firends who dont even see it they;ve be playing with sub par performance for so long. I do. And vsync (bog standard) is an essential for me to keep the frame pacing exactly where it should be on my low tech monitor. Im also TIR bound with its fixed 60/120hz demands. 

If I take a harrier (it hovers) with these setting its fine - I have to hammer the ME with AI and IDAS to ruin my day. But in a Helo, its a different matter.  

Performance wise at ground in the Caucauses in a hind that'll give me 76fps (vsync off to measure). At around 400M Ill be getting 85-95. Which would seem comfortable. However - 85fps is something of a minumum to avoid stutters causes be triggered actions alone. And this gets taken way by MFDs, AI, destruction areas, effects, 32bit maps where 8 bits would suffice, which all then conspire drive the fps down. So, in action I end up with 65-70 fps, without the MFDs which, from expereince will hack of another 10-20 fps if they were present. And we have the rotor graphics and shadows ever present. There a 5=7 fps difference there twix them static and turning. 

This has been the case over 3 full PC builds, Intel and AMD. Win 10 fresh installs and with optimisations. I dont think its something else. I think its my own personal preferences for gaming v my hardware and I take full responsibily for that. Which is why Im aking if there are other things to try. I think DCS needs two minimum specs one for Helo and one fixed wing. Or it really needs to up its game with making stuff lighter. There is little point getting down in the weeds if you have turn the weeds off. 

Edited November 27, 2021 by Boosterdog

[Eaglewings]

The system spec of the open post looks capable for a good experience in dcs.
I see no reason for not getting the AH-64D module with your system.

I am limping along with my i5 7600k, GTX 1060 6g , 32g ram, and dcs installed in m.2 drive in vr which is the way I prefer to fly dcs. It is not all that pretty graphically as I cannot afford to turn up many eye candies settings but I get by and immersion is key for me.

With a mix of medium and high graphic settings, doing good in flat screen play.

I think the Vulcan and multithread features would help address the micro stutters but we will never know to what extent until we actually get them.

[Boosterdog]

1 hour ago, notproplayer3 said:

Again, it is subjective but I play at around 40~50 fps and I don't feel as the few stutters I'm getting (even in big missions) would be distracting to anyone playing on a flat-screen. 

Forgive me for only quoting one bit of the post and thank you for replying.

That bit quoted however does probably best illustrate where our demands and expecations differ. Track IR needs a 60/120 hz refresh rate. Any more or less induces less than smooth movement. In addition without vsync, which I take you do not use, I really notice uneven frame pacing with it compounded by Track IR. 

The trigger hits are something I notice more in graphically demanding missions. The 85 fps is arbriatry and based upon the hinds PG disaster relief mission which I took apart in the ME. To avoid any huccup when the inital motors trigger (Mortar 121 message) thats the amount of available fps I need - any less hits the vsync and causes a momentary drop to 30 fps, which is the hiccup. That the unseen subsequent impacts further on performance is another matter. 

Pagefile fixing has not been something Ive bought into. I have 32GB of RAM, its not fully utilized (unless I got the syria) and when I have run comparisons using various page file sizes, I have seen no difference. Same with symbollic links outside of the game's root folder in SP (although I think in MP there are benefits). 

Not sure I even know how to limit resources so Im quite sure I havent. Certainly everything seems to breathing as it should when monitored. As for other apps, yup Ive pretty much everything I dare - certainly nothing obvious pops up in monitoring. 

Im sure you could use my rig and say "dude - whats the issue" - Im also sure I could use yours and not enjoy the expereince. Happens a lot when gaming on friends PCs. One is not better than the other - just different needs of the player. Sadly I came from a position years ago of having an uber rig for the time and got too used to always having the BHP to run what I wanted. Agan my expectations may be too demanding but they are where I consider the mimum enjoyable configuartion bar is set for me.

1 hour ago, Eaglewings said:

I see no reason for not getting the AH-64D module with your system.

I am limping along with my i5 7600k, GTX 1060 6g , 32g ram, and dcs installed in m.2 drive in vr which is the way I prefer to fly dcs. It is not all that pretty graphically as I cannot afford to turn up many eye candies settings but I get by and immersion is key for me.
 

For the reasons stated above I do sadly. Graphical integrity is the key to immersion for me as well  and I have a bar that falling below would make the game unenjoyable. Ive tried VR. Its ok. But there are too many compromises to make it good let alone great for me. Again, different players, different expectations and no disrespect to anyone who feels different. 

For a confident purchase, I would need to make up 15-20 fps with the current MFD tech and possibly more given FLIR is being redone and I have no scope to do that and remain "in the game". And thats down to me and me doggedly hanging on to settings I should know I cant have (although why I lost a critical 16 fps in the last 2 patches for seemingly no reason remains a mystery). I know its down to me.

Hence the original request for possible ME tips and tricks that may make missions smoother. 

Thank you for all the replies.

[notproplayer3]

49 minutes ago, Boosterdog said:

Forgive me for only quoting one bit of the post and thank you for replying.

That bit quoted however does probably best illustrate where our demands and expecations differ. Track IR needs a 60/120 hz refresh rate. Any more or less induces less than smooth movement. In addition without vsync, which I take you do not use, I really notice uneven frame pacing with it compounded by Track IR. 

The trigger hits are something I notice more in graphically demanding missions. The 85 fps is arbriatry and based upon the hinds PG disaster relief mission which I took apart in the ME. To avoid any huccup when the inital motors trigger (Mortar 121 message) thats the amount of available fps I need - any less hits the vsync and causes a momentary drop to 30 fps, which is the hiccup. That the unseen subsequent impacts further on performance is another matter. 

Pagefile fixing has not been something Ive bought into. I have 32GB of RAM, its not fully utilized (unless I got the syria) and when I have run comparisons using various page file sizes, I have seen no difference. Same with symbollic links outside of the game's root folder in SP (although I think in MP there are benefits). 

Not sure I even know how to limit resources so Im quite sure I havent. Certainly everything seems to breathing as it should when monitored. As for other apps, yup Ive pretty much everything I dare - certainly nothing obvious pops up in monitoring. 

Im sure you could use my rig and say "dude - whats the issue" - Im also sure I could use yours and not enjoy the expereince. Happens a lot when gaming on friends PCs. One is not better than the other - just different needs of the player. Sadly I came from a position years ago of having an uber rig for the time and got too used to always having the BHP to run what I wanted. Agan my expectations may be too demanding but they are where I consider the mimum enjoyable configuartion bar is set for me.

Thank you for the response. I now realize what issue you're talking about, unfortunately I must wonder if at this point, you've really hit your limit with DCS at the state it is in now. I agree with the fact that the PG gulf disaster relief mission is one of the most demanding SP missions I can think of, have you perhaps tried to remove the zone in which the city buildings get destroyed ? I suspect the destroyed city is what is causing the all around bad performance. 

In any case, I am guessing that with the more modern modules and the latest updates, you are getting under 60fps quite a lot which translates into jiterry track IR movement and in the case your monitor is 60Hz, the vsync screwing things up ? 

I believe your demands for a DCS gaming experience are perfectly reasonable and I think you are perfectly entitled to what you see as enjoyable. I myself have upgraded ram and an ssd and now, what I saw as enjoyable then isn't the same anymore. 

However, in your case, the simple question is if your rig will be able to hit at least 60fps under all conditions ? 

I am afraid this might not be possible anymore, at least not in the current state of DCS. Perhaps ask someone who has roughly the same specs as you for his fps but there really doesn't seem to be anything wrong on your side. 

If you're flying helos you could perhaps try reducing the draw distance if you haven't already done that. Also you could see if reducing cloud quality changes things. 

Not much else to say to say I'm afraid. 

[Castor Troy]

I had bad fps with my system as well. Not sure if it will work for you, but it did for me. I turned off v-sync in game, and forced it to the FAST setting on my nvidia card. I went from a steady 25-30 fps, to 60fps rock steady. May dip in the 50's on a carrier deck, or crowded airfield, but it's very playable.  Using a 60 hz monitor atm, but am looking to upgrade that very soon.

My system I am currently using , I7 9700K, paired with a 2080RTX, 32 RAM, Also using a solid state HD.  Using TrackIR, and the FAST setting on the card, there is no visible tearing I can notice when moving my head around.

 

 

Edited November 27, 2021 by Castor Troy

[Boosterdog]

39 minutes ago, notproplayer3 said:

Thank you for the response. I now realize what issue you're talking about, unfortunately I must wonder if at this point, you've really hit your limit with DCS at the state it is in now. I agree with the fact that the PG gulf disaster relief mission is one of the most demanding SP missions I can think of, have you perhaps tried to remove the zone in which the city buildings get destroyed ? I suspect the destroyed city is what is causing the all around bad performance. 

In any case, I am guessing that with the more modern modules and the latest updates, you are getting under 60fps quite a lot which translates into jiterry track IR movement and in the case your monitor is 60Hz, the vsync screwing things up ? 

I believe your demands for a DCS gaming experience are perfectly reasonable and I think you are perfectly entitled to what you see as enjoyable. I myself have upgraded ram and an ssd and now, what I saw as enjoyable then isn't the same anymore. 

However, in your case, the simple question is if your rig will be able to hit at least 60fps under all conditions ? 

I am afraid this might not be possible anymore, at least not in the current state of DCS. Perhaps ask someone who has roughly the same specs as you for his fps but there really doesn't seem to be anything wrong on your side. 

If you're flying helos you could perhaps try reducing the draw distance if you haven't already done that. Also you could see if reducing cloud quality changes things. 

Not much else to say to say I'm afraid. 

The city was an issue with my old I5 6600K but less so with the 5600X. Removing/reducing certainly helps. Both my drives are PCie 4.0 and are installed on an X570 board than supports the gen 4 transfer on both sockets. Samsung Pro and a WD Black both with good aftermarket heatsinks to keep everything cool.  RAM is best I could buy and probably too much for my use (Samsung B dye dual ranked ya de ya). I think that end of the rig is as good as I could get it for the money and not too shabby for 2D.  Certainly meets the expected marks in the stress tests.

The aircrat are usually fine. Even the F14 is fine within in its role. Its the helos, you are often a lot closer and lower, upping the demand with additional graphics (blades) to add. Up to 2.7.6 I could run a full carrier deck with the F14 or F18 with deck equipment mods and lots of static deck crew  (so about 150 items plus about 10 tasked AI units going about their lauches and landings) but 2.7.7 and new water stopped that dead. 

The view distance is a good call for the hover to bovver boys (KA50 and Apache). So I will give that a look. For the Mi8 (my favourite) its nicer to have the distance but its not generally a problem with that module. Another thing I tried isaltering some of the shadow mapping. Reducing the map down to 2048 from 4096 helps a lot but it is strictly a very low level preference. Last venture I had was with the Harrier but realistically, if you are much above 250M you would notice.  I may  revisit that with the Shark to judge how id be seeing stuff Apache like.  Cloud settings make perhaps a 2 fps per level on ground level. Its simple to switch using a mod manager.

Cloud settings make perhaps a 2 fps per level on ground level. Prior to 2.7 having the old full overcast was a great way of getting away with flat static shadows. 

I think you are correct in saying the rig simply doesnt cut it in some scenarios. Thats the fear really. To cut it takes £1000-£1500 and even then there is no guarantee as there a few unknowns about the next 12 month and DCS. 

The Apache is about half the price it will be at present and it is tempting even if my head say it wont play well for me. Had I not been impacted by a large loss going from 2.7.6 to 2.7.7 I would have probably already bought it.  

33 minutes ago, Castor Troy said:

I had bad fps with my system as well. Not sure if it will work for you, but it did for me. I turned off v-sync in game, and forced it to the FAST setting on my nvidia card. I went from a steady 25-30 fps, to 60fps rock steady. May dip in the 50's on a carrier deck, or crowded airfield, but it's very playable.  Using a 60 hz monitor atm, but am looking to upgrade that very soon.

My system I am currently using , I7 9700K, paired with a 2080RTX, 32 RAM, Also using a solid state HD.  Using TrackIR, there is no visible tearing I can notice when moving my head around.

 

Ive tried every Vsync combination I can I think. In the end I came back to the game's Vsync.  Fast sync has never worked well for me and causes uneven frame pacing as my GPU places me right in the zone where it has least benefit (70-85 fps) and struggles to fully populate its buffers consistently. I will go have another look however as I cant recall using the NCP force option on my new rig. Thanks.

[SharpeXB]

5 hours ago, Castor Troy said:

I turned off v-sync in game, and forced it to the FAST setting on my nvidia card.

I do this too and find that it works really well. 

[MattCri]

im in the same boat and my system is worse

considering the degradation i have with the recent patches i can barely fly the ka50

[deep]

1 hour ago, SharpeXB said:

I do this too and find that it works really well. 

This was worse for me.

[Fastbreak]

Good morning from the rabbit hole, Boosterdog!

Your system specs are quasi the same as mine (I use a gtx 1080ti), as well as you I exclusively fly helicopters. In the previous DCS version I was able to fly with a gtx 1080 in 4K, but the reaction to control input was a little bit sluggish, so that I set the resolution down to 2K. Then I changed to a gtx 1080ti and could fly in 4K without problems - the difference between both cards was evident.

In DCS 2.7 I can't clear the 4K hurdle and need to set the resolution down to 2K again (...). I get about ~60 FPS in all instant flights in all DCS maps (simple flight without any mission objects) and in use of one monitor.

To get to the point, you might think about a cheap interim solution selling your gtx 1080 and buying a gtx 1080ti. Of course, that would be a compromise, but unfortunatelly we neither know when ED will be changing to Vulkan/DX12 nor when the hardware prices are levelling out. I have just looked graphics cards prices up here in Germany. There are gtx 1080s offered for about 300 to 350+ Euros and there are gtx 1080tis offered for about 500 to 550+ Euros. As an aside, I was seriously surprised that I was able to sell my gtx 1080 within one day.

See you tree top level

Edited March 19, 2022 by Fastbreak

[Boosterdog]

2 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

Good morning from the rabbit hole, Boosterdog!

To get to the point, you might think about a cheap interim solution selling your gtx 1080 and buying a gtx 1080ti. 

 

This is something I’ve considered. Especially given the current state of the market where I could basically buy it Monday and sell it for the same on Tuesday with an almost cast iron guarantee it will meet the price asked.  

it would be more of a temptation had I not been one who lost a lot of performance in the last two OB patches. 

Taking a ballpark that the ti would provide between 8 and 10 extra FPS that still only puts me slightly over what I would need in the hind at this time with no guarantee a further patch won’t take it away again. Assuming that the addition of MFDs in the Apache will impact as it does currently, I’d still be firmly back in the bad zone with them activated. 

Now I know it’s not all about raw FPS. There’s the extra 3gb of gddr5x vram which would come in useful. The reduction of lows is probably also more important that the increase of the highs  

Certainly something to consider.  I have to disassemble my flight gear and store it for the next month due to having relatives staying. Hopefully we will see a couple more patches in OB  and perhaps some more news about the core in this time. Either/or may inform on a direction to go. 
 
Thank you for your suggestion and experiences.  

 

 

 

[Art-J]

@Boosterdog I can only confirm what others said about V-sync. Use the nvcpl one and not the in-game one. Even if your frames drop below 60 for a while, they'll drop to 50-few instead of 30. Also, have you considered turning MSAA off and replacing it with SMAA or FXAA via reshade? The horizontal structures like fences and building roofs will shimmer badly, but everything else will be good enough, and you will have many more FPS to spare. That's what I do to eliminate stutter, even on my 3070.

[Boosterdog]

1 minute ago, Art-J said:

@Boosterdog I can only confirm what others said about V-sync. Use the nvcpl one and not the in-game one. Even if your frames drop below 60 for a while, they'll drop to 50-few instead of 30. Also, have you considered turning MSAA off and replacing it with SMAA or FXAA via reshade? The horizontal structures like fences and building roofs will shimmer badly, but everything else will be good enough, and you will have many more FPS to spare. That's what I do to eliminate stutter, even on my 3070.

Thanks Art. Its certainly something Ill take a good long look at when Im back up and running after Christmas. If it can miminise the drop over and above the in game vsync then thats a good start.  For all its suck MSAA in DCS is very good at reducing the shimmer. Ive tried several alternatives but always return to it. THere are a couple of NCP options that would also give me an odd frame such as the Gamma Correction and the Ansiotropic Filtering but I hate shimmers as much as stutter!!

Ultimately, I think i will have to find some lower compromise as Im not going to pay out for anymore hardware until I see where DCS is heading with how MC/Vulkan is implemented and whatever core changes occur in the interim. I did also say no more modules but the Apache at pretty much half price right now is tempeting even if its a banker for a while. 

[Nemesis44UK]

I updated DCS to the latest stable version yesterday and am gutted to find it turned into a slide show. AV8B ran like crap, even though my system is old, it used to run 60fps in Free Flight without issues.

Damn it, it's payday today and I was really hoping to pre-purchase Apache as a Christmas gift to myself.

Is there any way of reverting back to an older version?

Also, when I updated, I got a message saying there was a lot of files found in my download folder, keep/delete? I deleted them, but I'm wondering if I shouldn't have.

Any advice?

ETA: Could someone be kind enough to point me in the direction of how to do a complete clean uninstall of DCS, as that might be my next step.

Edited November 30, 2021 by Nemesis44UK

[Lace]

OP, lower your settings.  Go to minimum if you have to.  Sure it won't look as nice, but I can fly VR on a 1070M.  I'm not sure for how much longer, as each new iteration of the game chips away at my framerate, but it is still hanging in there.  I have promised myself an upgrade in the new year though, it will be nice to enjoy some of that eye candy.

[Ingvaar]

1 час назад, Lace сказал:

OP, lower your settings.  Go to minimum if you have to.

Hi! What you advise to do for me, if my settings already low and after last update i have "strong" 35 fps which not allow ASW at G2 with 80%ss and FSR? Maybe i need upgrade my 12700k (5ggz) and 3080ti? :DDD Really have 35-30 fps even training mission Spitfire cold start.
That just irony because im full of sadness that i recently bought much modules and cant fly. Whant fly Krasnodar compamy for MIG-21...


 

 

1 час назад, Nemesis44UK сказал:

Is there any way of reverting back to an older version?

Yeah, just find it yesterday, after downloading it said that installed 2.7.6.13436 version, but i didn't try yet.
May be be usefull for you.
 

 

[Lace]

Just now, Ingvaar said:

Hi! What you advise to do for me, if my settings already low and after last update i have "strong" 35 fps which not allow ASW at G2 with 80%ss and FSR? Maybe i need upgrade my 12700k (5ggz) and 3080ti? :DDD Really have 35-30 fps even training mission Spitfire cold start.
That just irony because im full of sadness that i recently bought much modules and cant fly. Whant fly Krasnodar compamy for MIG-21...

Honestly?  I have no idea, and it worries me slightly that when I do come to upgrade I'm not going to see a commensurate increase in performance.  There are times when my system struggles, and I don't fly MP which obviously has a big impact, but I'm not on minimum settings, and still get what I would consider 'acceptable' results with my Rift S.  I don't do FPS counting so can't give you figures.  I'm sure if I went back to flat-screen the settings could be wound back up a bit.  It seems inexplicably that DCS just seems to like certain combinations of hardware better than others, as there are lots of examples on here of people with high-spec systems getting low-spec performance.  I'm definitely on the limit here - I can't fly the Hind in Marianas for instance, but for me the MiG-21 is one of the best performing (smoothness) modules.  The Spitfire is also fine for me.

Out of interest, is your system home built or big-name manufacturer?

[Lange_666]

2 hours ago, Nemesis44UK said:

Is there any way of reverting back to an older version?

Also, when I updated, I got a message saying there was a lot of files found in my download folder, keep/delete? I deleted them, but I'm wondering if I shouldn't have.

Any advice?

ETA: Could someone be kind enough to point me in the direction of how to do a complete clean uninstall of DCS, as that might be my next step.

 

There is for quite some people (if not all) a significant performance loss when going from 2.7.6 to anything above.
You can always revert back to an older version. You can do through a command line or...

One of the neatest tools out there to do this is Skatezilla's Update Utility.
It lets you upgrade, downgrade (under Adv Updater Options Tab), create a copy, make an open beta out of a stable version and vice versa and lots of other stuff.

 

[Ingvaar]

36 минут назад, Lace сказал:

Out of interest, is your system home built or big-name manufacturer?

I did it by myself, and swap previous 8700k right after 12700k has come at local market. And it's showing 100 points (at 3dmark TimeSpy) less than score of top hiend gaming PC. But for DCS it's not enough probably :DDD
 

 

36 минут назад, Lace сказал:

I'm sure if I went back to flat-screen the settings could be wound back up a bit.

I'm sure, that it is impossible after VR

Edited November 30, 2021 by Ingvaar

[Lace]

Just now, Ingvaar said:

I'm sure, that it is impossible after VR

Indeed.