Patch notes discussion thread 25th January 2023

[Jack_Daniels1983]

Just a reminder 

vor 1 Minute schrieb Chump:

I'm sure that they are consulting ChatGPT for the new code! </hugeSarcasm>

 

Yea, and the bot answered "2 Weeks™"

[Convexrook]

6 minutes ago, unlikely_spider said:

"ChatGTP, how do I rewrite this flight simulator so that it is multi-threaded?"

Bahahahaaha

45 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

What competion? 

COMBAT Flight SIM of this degree? or are you being sarcastic?

[wowbagger]

 

2 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

.. it's not like the Germans have attacked Pearl Harbour...

2 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

 

Well, to be fair,  a couple of years ago an ED trailer highlighted the Luftwaffe attacking a port in the Marianas so ..

[Silver_Dragon]

14 minutes ago, Convexrook said:

Bahahahaaha

COMBAT Flight SIM of this degree? or are you being sarcastic?

Do you think any competition on Combat Fly Sims got to change ED develop process / Market process / management, etc? ED has a company founded on 1991... on the "golden combat fly simulations" times, under the rule of other king and queen combat fly simulators... and DCS start with Ka-50 on 2008, with other Combat Fly simulators...

[Daerchanar]

55 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

Do you think any competition on Combat Fly Sims got to change ED develop process / Market process / management, etc? ED has a company founded on 1991... on the "golden combat fly simulations" times, under the rule of other king and queen combat fly simulators... and DCS start with Ka-50 on 2008, with other Combat Fly simulators...

Even Microsoft is changing its marketing and business model in face of competition. Skype and Office on-prem are now both on the chop board, Linux is now natively supported and 10k people were fired from as many departments as on can think of, so yes, competition does change any kind of company, particularly in software development where things can move quite fast.

Edited March 3, 2023 by Daerchanar

[HoBGoBLiNzx3]

5 hours ago, Sr. said:

Yeah, ED should fire all the devs... that'll speed things up. 

That is NOT what I said.. Stop trying to twist my words. I said that would happen in any other industry. Since you brought it up though... Yeah they absolutely COULD fire one or two of them and hire someone who doesn't mind making a deadline and set a precedent. Unheard of right? 

I don't think THIS situation warrants any of that and my observation was purely anecdotal and a response to someone else's statement... 

 

[MadKreator]

2 hours ago, PLUTON said:

Those who growl when the patch is delayed are the same people who growl when the patch is on time but is defective, in the end no matter what they always growl.
I too am waiting impatiently for this patch but it will arrive when it arrives and I would give it a warm welcome.

And those same people are still here, month after month, year after year, playing this game we all love

[PLUTON]

Hahahaha yes we are only humans, but DCS
is like a drug we could not do without

[Gunfreak]

Getting antsy for that patch. I had hopped a new date for the open  beta patch would have been posted today. But I guess I have to pretend to be patient.

[St4rgun]

14 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

Getting antsy for that patch. I had hopped a new date for the open  beta patch would have been posted today. But I guess I have to pretend to be patient.

After the last delay I'm sure they just returned to their "normal" announcement strategy to say about the patch maximum a day in advance. But it's also pretty much usual to have info only on Wednesday mid day about a patch at the same day (in the evening). So this patch can either be days or weeks away, who knows?

[Gunfreak]

9 minutes ago, St4rgun said:

After the last delay I'm sure they just returned to their "normal" announcement strategy to say about the patch maximum a day in advance. But it's also pretty much usual to have info only on Wednesday mid day about a patch at the same day (in the evening). So this patch can either be days or weeks away, who knows?

Exactly, which is why I had hoped for an patch status update today. Each day they don't update,  means at least 1 or 2 more days for the patch.

[=36=Witcher]

Il 3/3/2023 at 03:13, HoBGoBLiNzx3 ha scritto:

In my industry people get fired for constantly missing deadlines.. I couldn't imagine telling a customer that they will get the product or service when it's god damn good and ready. Apparently not software development, I'm in the wrong line of work. Tell me I'm wrong... Or, just look at every franchise that has been ruined over the past 10 years.. like Battlefield. 

Regardless, I don't mind waiting. They were straight up about it and informed us.. just being observant. 

Ok, so what industry are we talking about here? Because in the software development industry, deadlines are constantly missed by everyone. That's why you have agile development approaches, where you develop small features in two weeks sprints. If you're talking about another industry... well, it's not relevant.

[av8orDave]

5 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

Getting antsy for that patch. I had hopped a new date for the open  beta patch would have been posted today. But I guess I have to pretend to be patient.

In the delay announcement, they said they required "a little more time"... which if not Wednesday, apparently means weeks?

Edited March 7, 2023 by davidrbarnette

[Chump]

1 hour ago, davidrbarnette said:

In the delay announcement, they said they required "a little more time"... which if not Wednesday, apparently means weeks?

Two™ to be exact.

[Convexrook]

Patch Tuesday? Anyone?

[Beirut]

21 minutes ago, Convexrook said:

Patch Tuesday? Anyone?

 

Yes please. 

[HoBGoBLiNzx3]

7 hours ago, =36=Witcher said:

Ok, so what industry are we talking about here? Because in the software development industry, deadlines are constantly missed by everyone. That's why you have agile development approaches, where you develop small features in two weeks sprints. If you're talking about another industry... well, it's not relevant.

I think that is most industries. I have to imagine even in software development there are hard deadlines. IE. Defense contracts.. Especially when there are other organized events planned ahead, etc.

Like I said, I wasn't specifically talking about this update. I was referring to the statement made. As a general sentiment that "you get it when it's ready" mentality shouldn't be an industry standard in anything. 

[draconus]

4 minutes ago, HoBGoBLiNzx3 said:

As a general sentiment that "you get it when it's ready" mentality shouldn't be an industry standard in anything.

If you have any EA or prepurchase running without ETAs you actively support this standard yourself.

[St4rgun]

55 minutes ago, draconus said:

If you have any EA or prepurchase running without ETAs you actively support this standard yourself.

Exactly, good point. That's what I said after buying the Apache that no more money from me to ED as long as they do not show some progress. Not even only on the field of development, but the communication of the progress itself.

F-15 pre-purchase opened? Not interested, sorry!

[=36=Witcher]

1 ora fa, HoBGoBLiNzx3 ha scritto:

I think that is most industries. I have to imagine even in software development there are hard deadlines. IE. Defense contracts.. Especially when there are other organized events planned ahead, etc.

Like I said, I wasn't specifically talking about this update. I was referring to the statement made. As a general sentiment that "you get it when it's ready" mentality shouldn't be an industry standard in anything. 

Defense Contracts? Yeah, I guess in that case you have to be extra careful about deadlines. But still, we're not talking about defence contracts here, we're talking about a consumer product, and a one that is quite above the average complexity of consumer softwares. There's a reason why all new software engineering methodologies rely on agile development, no hard deadlines, byte-sized features, frequent releases and so on. Software nowadays is complex, with so many moving parts that it's impossible to meet hard deadlines constantly. That's why you talk about estimates and not deadlines when you develop new features in software. If you don't like the "Get it when it's ready" mentality, IMHO you should just not buy the product then.

Edited March 7, 2023 by =36=Witcher

[Art-J]

Given all the delays that last major military aviation projects had (I'm not bashing F-35 only, mind you), I'd say the defense industry is the very last one I'd consider as an example of meeting any deadlines ;).

Edited March 7, 2023 by Art-J

[Gunfreak]

This is usually how stuff goes in major game development. 

 

1. Game forced out in crapy condition because shareholders demanded release to fit their profit strategies. And heads will roll(always the workers not the leaders who screwed up everything. 

2. Game is released in a decent condition after forcing workers to work 7 day weeks for 3 months, the game makes billions upon billions in profits, the CEO gets a giant bonus,  while the workers who now are just husk. Will usually be screwed out of their promised bonuses on some technicalities. Then 30% of the workers get layed off, because the CEO and shareholders does not share money. And earning just billion upon billions in profit isn't good enough. 

 

ED might at times seem a bit content since they have a monopoly and might not feel pressure to fix all that should be fixed. But it's better they have a few postponements then working their workers to death, just to meet deadlines based on financial market quarterlies. 

Edited March 7, 2023 by Gunfreak

[Silver_Dragon]

2 hours ago, HoBGoBLiNzx3 said:

I think that is most industries. I have to imagine even in software development there are hard deadlines. IE. Defense contracts.. Especially when there are other organized events planned ahead, etc.

Like I said, I wasn't specifically talking about this update. I was referring to the statement made. As a general sentiment that "you get it when it's ready" mentality shouldn't be an industry standard in anything. 

Someone need remember with:
1- ED has no a damocles sword over your head about reach a deadline with your entretainment branch, part of the team build some entretainment software with has no promise dates, and many info required "problems" to get and build them on a final product to a final costumer.
2. ED has build defense / professional software with has deadlines and your staments has very clear (Defense / profesional market has many permisive with a entretainmet market...), of course, the "profesional" get all required info and go very forward about they required and your issues on your products.
3- ED has more of 30 years on the software develop industry and some members has more time into them... they think very well about that "issues".
4- That discussion has repeat ever and ever from Flanker...

About "you get it when its ready"... only need see the actual "AAA" gaming develop industry... with great "promises" with very fantasy false demos, great quantity of clones, very more great downgrades, the continual repetition and repetitive use of old software with just a few nice graphical updates, great quantity of DLCs and incomplete software. The same situations about talking about monopolies.... build hardcore simulation has the same to build a XVI Zelda version...

Edited March 7, 2023 by Silver_Dragon

[Beirut]

3 hours ago, St4rgun said:

Exactly, good point. That's what I said after buying the Apache that no more money from me to ED as long as they do not show some progress. Not even only on the field of development, but the communication of the progress itself.

 

 

I enjoy the pre-orders and I don't mind delays in development, though of course delays can be a disappointment. I like being part of the process that keeps modules flowing. 

 

Poor communications in business, on the other hand, there is no excuse.  

[BIGNEWY]

We pass news when we have it, we update the patch status post when we have patch dates or changes, we pass news in newsletters, on social media, you can even jump in our discord and ask questions directly. The fact is it is impossible to make everyone happy, but we do understand that some of you get very frustrated with development time scales, development direction ect. so thank you for trying to be patient, we appreciate it. 

With that said lets not get off topic in this thread, it is for last patch notes, and we will have a new thread for the up coming patch. As soon as I have a new date I will let you all know. 

thanks