noted Lack of female pilot models?

[SharpeXB]

2 minutes ago, II.JG1_Vonrd said:

I wonder what percentage of DCS (or any combat flight sim / game) players are female? It would be nice to have more and maybe by being inclusive in representing females in the game, might attract more.

 

Someone could do a poll but that’s bound to go wrong quickly… if it could be kept within the rules that would sure be an interesting statistic to know. 

[Furiz]

1 hour ago, II.JG1_Vonrd said:

I wonder what percentage of DCS (or any combat flight sim / game) players are female? It would be nice to have more and maybe by being inclusive in representing females in the game, might attract more.

I disagree, being inclusive wont attract more females to this sim, cause if they are not interested in military aircraft sim and gaming you really have a tough job.

Imagine there is some forum mostly used by female members of our society with topics like fashion or fingernails (just mentioning stuff on top of my head, hope no one gets offended) and they decide to be more inclusive to male members of our society, you think that would interest me for example? I can tell you right now it wont, and they can be as inclusive as they want I'm not gonna discuss anything in that forum.

People are trying too hard to be as politically correct as they can that they don't see the big picture, they are throwing them selves over their heads to be politically correct... happens in all aspects of the society and it is not something good cause it usually neglects whats important just to to stand out.

I really don't see the point of more females in the sim, I don't mind them here off course but I don't see the point if they are not interested.

In this sim I want people of any gender and race that are interested in military simulation, if that means 99% male Asians, or 99% female Mexicans I really don't see a problem there, I'm interested in the sim and that's enough for me.

 

[Hiob]

I have no issues with the inclusion of female or ethnic diverse pilot models, not in the slightest. I wouldn’t even care of the pilot would be randomised at mission start. It wouldn’t affect my gameplay or experience with DCS at all. I enjoyed Tomb Raider back in the days as well as Indiana Jones or Uncharted. Ot just doesn’t matter to me.

I wonder though if I could even tell if there is a male or female  underneath the helmet and flight suit?

And I wonder even more of what relevance this is to high fidelity flight sim where the focus lays first on the Aircraft and Systems and second on putting warheads on foreheads.

This isn’t a story driven RPG or Adventure, nor is it Sims or GTA.

I think the whole discussion is a waste of energy related to DCS. There are other, more relevant, battlegrounds for this.

 

[draconus]

On 9/9/2024 at 8:08 PM, SharpeXB said:

I get the impression that everyone responding to this topic is male.

I counted at least two grls.

Anyway... ED will certainly not put time and money into the wish rated 1.3. Clearly not something most users care for in DCS.

Edited September 11, 2024 by draconus

[Dragon1-1]

3 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

Someone could do a poll but that’s bound to go wrong quickly… if it could be kept within the rules that would sure be an interesting statistic to know. 

It was actually done a few years ago, as part of a big survey where someone (a web magazine, perhaps?) gathered a lot of different stats for a lot of different sims. I doubt stats have changed much since then, though maybe Top Gun 2 (which came out after the survey) inspired some more girls. Overall, though, I remember that the result was that most of combat flightsimmers were male, but female ones did exist. 

It would be nice to have such little detail for cases when the flight suit is not all-concealing, for instance in helicopters. This would be useful not only to video creators, but also to campaign makers who might want to give a specific appearance to the crew. I also wouldn't mind some randomization among the Supercarrier crew models, just to make it a little more varied. I suspect actually finishing the functionality comes first, though.

[SharpeXB]

2 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

It was actually done a few years ago, as part of a big survey where someone (a web magazine, perhaps?) gathered a lot of different stats for a lot of different sims.

If you’re thinking about the Navigraph survey, for 2023 it showed men at 97.3%

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

4 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

Someone could do a poll but that’s bound to go wrong quickly… if it could be kept within the rules that would sure be an interesting statistic to know. 

FWIW, I've a few women in my own DCS circles.

I'd absolutely support adding an alternative model to the game, my only question would be how much in the way of resources would it require be dedicated to it and for how long. There are much more pressing issues, but I'd still want to see the game accommodating its playerbase fully.

[draconus]

7 hours ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said:

how much in the way of resources would it require be dedicated to it and for how long

Even if you keep the size the same to match the HUD, HOTAS and rudder pedals you can keep animations more or less the same but the model and textures need changes in torso, hands and head. Now all the voice lines can either be rerecorded or current files can be edited or new files created using good AI voices. That's it. Depending on used tech and dev experience it can take quite time.

Edited September 10, 2024 by draconus

[some1]

13 hours ago, II.JG1_Vonrd said:

I wonder what percentage of DCS (or any combat flight sim / game) players are female? It would be nice to have more and maybe by being inclusive in representing females in the game, might attract more.

 

I wouldn't count on that. Microsoft flight simulator already has females represented with equal number of female avatars, and different skin colors to choose from. As a game it's probably more attractive to women than DCS, because it focuses on travelling rather than war and weapons. Yet here are the results of the latest community survey, and the male percentage is not going down.

https://navigraph.com/blog/survey-2023

[buceador]

10 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said:

This would be useful not only to video creators...

It was possibly me who asked this question in January last year and it was only driven by a desire to make cinematic videos more engaging.  For those who only fly and die it would be totally irrelevant, I get that and as far as ED is concerned there are many, many more pressing issues.

[Dragon1-1]

Well, I'd argue that as far as campaigns go, it'd be nice to have the pilot body actually look female in Speed and Angels, when playing as a female character. Subtle stuff like smaller hands and narrower shoulders, mostly, you can see that when looking around the cockpit. So campaign creators would be able to take advantage of it, too.

[Kappa-131st]

On 1/30/2023 at 10:39 AM, buceador said:

A female friend of mine who has recently got into DCS was astonished that are no female pilot models available for any of the aircraft!
20.0% of USAF pilots are female

Even the Russian Federation has its  ‘angels of death’, female pilots!
ED?  

 

This is a simulator, we don't care about the sexe of the pilot, we "incarne" it (first personn view for those who don't understand)... So if your friend want a female character, she can play everything else where she can custom characters...
There is real things that required fixes or update, evolution, to improve the quality of the game. Setting different model of characters that we never see is definitively the smallest priority of all!!!

Edited October 18, 2024 by Kappa-131st

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

1 hour ago, Kappa-131st said:

This is a simulator, we don't care about the sexe of the pilot, we "incarned" it... So if your friend want a female character, she can play everything else...
There is real things that required fixes or update, evolution, to improve the quality of the game. Setting different model of characters that we never see is definitively the smallest priority of all!!!

Your input is enlightening and nuanced.

[buceador]

 

11 hours ago, Kappa-131st said:

This is a simulator, we don't care about the sexe of the pilot, we "incarned" it... So if your friend want a female character, she can play everything else...

 Yes, a well constructed, passionate response! (not sure what "we "incarned" it" means?)

[draconus]

11 hours ago, Kappa-131st said:

...is definitively the smallest priority of all!!!

Do you haunt every wish thread you deem unworthy to give the same answer?

[MAXsenna]

 
 Yes, a well constructed, passionate response! (not sure what "we "incarned" it" means?)

It was "obsoleted" in 1870 or so. Makes sense...
Means, to cause to heal, cover with flesh. Knew it was a meaty word. Mind boggling isn't it!

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[Rudel_chw]

I don´t get the point why we have to be inclusive everywhere? … when dressed up for combat I have a hard time recognizing a female or male pilot

 

 

[MAXsenna]

I don´t get the point why we have to be inclusive everywhere? … when dressed up for combat I have a hard time recognizing a female or male pilot
 

 

Those eyelashes are a sure tel!

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[buceador]

1 hour ago, Rudel_chw said:

I don´t get the point why we have to be inclusive everywhere?

Hi Rudel_ch!
This was referred to in the original post, inclusivity was never the issue, for me it was all about / immersion / realism, as for my female friend's original comment, she was simply stating a fact, that apart from bitchin' betty, everything in DCS was male. 

1 hour ago, MAXsenna said:

Means, to cause to heal, cover with flesh.

Still not sure how it relates to the given context?

[MAXsenna]

8 minutes ago, buceador said:

Still not sure how it relates to the given context?

Probably none at all.

[Hog_driver]

18 minutes ago, buceador said:

 everything in DCS was male. 

Aaaand toxic. Generally just shooting, bombing, killing and destruction. Fortunately, there's AAR and Christen Eagle se we can finally relax!

[Slippa]

It wouldn’t hurt to have the ladies represented.

Some of the best pilots I’ve seen display are women. Saw a good one in September at Duxford flying a Mustang. Lovely job.

More fun in the mess and they’d keep some of us in check a bit .

Edited October 16, 2024 by Slippa

[Nodak]

There's already a female crew member on one of the multi crewed AI heavies, closer to Roboblox characters in those birds.  It'd be one thing if there was a universal pilot interchangeable and functional for each type, such as a single fighter pilot, a single trainer pilot, or a single Helo one, but there are literally a hundred plus different aircrew positions to do, basically its not going to be universally possible in my lifetime.  But hey, we need a nail polish template and interchangeable hair styles.  

[Gierasimov]

Well, the thread and wish is "noted". It will come. I remember Wags mentioned Apache flight members will be (or have option to be) female. Voice could be coming with visuals eventually I think. 

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

8 minutes ago, Gierasimov said:

Well, the thread and wish is "noted". It will come. I remember Wags mentioned Apache flight members will be (or have option to be) female. Voice could be coming with visuals eventually I think. 

Having pilot customization, period, would be cool. Nothing too indepth, we definitely don't need much. Maybe a motopatch or two. Nothing those who are insecure would erect as a strawman.

Edited October 16, 2024 by MiG21bisFishbedL