fixed Obnoxious DCS startup times since 2.8.6.41393 OpenBeta MT (around 120 seconds!)

[Phantom_Mark]

Also reporting in with this issue, running both normal and MT, 13900k Intel,  DDR5 7600 Ram, with an RTX4090, loading from Samsung 980 Pro SSD's.

Not timed it, but the loading times are significantly longer than they used to be after the last update.

[Raisuli]

Please pardon the potentially off-topic interlude, and maybe this belongs elsewhere, but the other obnoxious time is switching from F10 to F1 views, which can take several seconds.  The sound immediately goes back to F1, but the map stays up long enough that more than once I had to wonder which way I would be pointed when I finally got the cockpit view back...

Not sure if that's the kind of thing that will show up on a track; maybe an OBS video?

[Bucic]

Startup times 4 times the average startup time of January-February builds. I've got some old DCS logs copies if anyone needs them. Several 10-30 second pauses can be seen in the new log, the longest one related to sound devices, so I disabled all of unused ones in the system. There has been no change to startup times.

Please note I do not use MT. I get that launching DCS from the standard shortcut to C:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\bin\DCS.exe results in a "no-MT mode". Correct me if I'm wrong, I've been off-DCS for months again.

 

[YoYo]

11 hours ago, Bucic said:

Please note I do not use MT. I get that launching DCS from the standard shortcut to C:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\bin\DCS.exe results in a "no-MT mode". Correct me if I'm wrong, I've been off-DCS for months again.

 

Yes, here is ST version.

This problem may also apply to ST (I think but I can't confirm 100% because I don't have a comparison, I haven't used ST for a long time), although I generally only fly MT at the moment (with HT=off). I was running ST for the purpose of checking something and it seems to me that it was also longer, I do not know if this was confirmed that this issue is present for ST too.

Edited July 12, 2023 by YoYo

[Bucic]

14 hours ago, YoYo said:

Yes, here is ST version.

This problem may also apply to ST (I think but I can't confirm 100% because I don't have a comparison, I haven't used ST for a long time), although I generally only fly MT at the moment (with HT=off). I was running ST for the purpose of checking something and it seems to me that it was also longer, I do not know if this was confirmed that this issue is present for ST too.

 

Confirmed, with ST it's even worse.

[Predator-78]

Which CPU? Do You have HT=on?

I deactivated HT, but the situation does not change much. Yesterday I flew with the tomcat and the sim froze and crashed.

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[Coxy_99]

Latest version, Is getting slower. From starting from desktop to once in a server its taking a huge amount of time for textures to load, The first few instances of the MT OB were really good now its not. Hope to see some improvement soon.

[71st_Mastiff]

2 min 40 seconds enough time to go pee.

[YoYo]

2 hours ago, Predator-78 said:

I deactivated HT, but the situation does not change much. Yesterday I flew with the tomcat and the sim froze and crashed.

Ok, but what CPU, you don't have it in your signature. For me, the problem of freezing completely disappeared after HT=off, after almost 2 weeks ago when I did it, I didnt encounter this issue even once . I know that the problem primarily affects owners of the Intel 12xx and 13xx series with HT=on, longer load applies to everyone.

Edited July 13, 2023 by YoYo

[Bucic]

38 minutes ago, YoYo said:

Ok, but what CPU, you don't have it in your signature. For me, the problem of freezing completely disappeared after HT=off, after almost 2 weeks ago when I did it, I didnt encounter this issue even once . I know that the problem primarily affects owners of the Intel 12xx and 13xx series with HT=on, longer load applies to everyone.

 

See https://forum.dcs.world/topic/329728-ram-upgrade-importance-withe-regard-to-multi-threading/?do=findComment&comment=5258584 I haven't experienced any freezes with HT on.

As for loading times - HT doesn't make a difference, that I can confirm.

 

[YoYo]

5 minutes ago, Bucic said:

See https://forum.dcs.world/topic/329728-ram-upgrade-importance-withe-regard-to-multi-threading/?do=findComment&comment=5258584 I haven't experienced any freezes with HT on.

As for loading times - HT doesn't make a difference, that I can confirm.

 

Lucky man, while this applies to more cores I think, and you have 12100F, for me it has huge difference like for some too: 

 

[YoYo]

8 hours ago, 71st_Mastiff said:

2 min 40 seconds enough time to go pee.

How many times you go to pee if you want to check something, get out and start DCS again few times? 

9 hours ago, Coxy_99 said:

Latest version, Is getting slower. From starting from desktop to once in a server its taking a huge amount of time for textures to load, The first few instances of the MT OB were really good now its not. Hope to see some improvement soon.

Its reported already:

 

Edited July 13, 2023 by YoYo

[Coxy_99]

@YoYo  Ok thanks maybe it can be merged by a mod, Atleast its reported, When MT was released it was very quick.

[PLUTON]

hello, since the last update of OB
I bought the F 15 E module from Razbam and until yesterday 07/12/23
everything worked fine except that DCS took a good 5 minutes to start
but since today it no longer starts in ST (without mult treading)
and with MT (multitreading) it starts in 3 minutes.
I tried all afternoon and the same result each time.
Does anyone possibly know the problem I'm having?
Thank you for helping me.

[PLUTON]

Well this morning I turned on my pc and launched DCS ST which started perfectly and that all day.
So no more problems at first.
Alert canceled.

[BIGNEWY]

threads merged

[AvgWhiteGuy]

It seems that 2.8 has perhaps introduced so much more ????? that my program loading time from launching on desktop icon to being fully loaded is over 3 minutes. Is it just me and my computer or is everyone experiencing massive loading times? Computer specs posted below. Note 'Eagle Dynamics' resides alone and complete on D:Eagle (447GB SanDiskSSD) as opposed to a normal C:\Eagle Dynamics location. 
This launch time is AFTER a reboot (soft or hard) with only TrackIR, VoiceAttack, Razer Synapse (Razer Orbweaver controller program) running AND anti-virus turned OFF.
Furthermore, once DCS up & running it will take almost a minute to launch a very basic MIZ of 4 a/c on tarmac cold, where the entire earth it seems is covered by water for the first 10-15 seconds before the land, airfield, continent emerges.
Actual play is pretty good with normal 55-60fps except some inflight scenery locations dropping to 30fps.
Is this my ancient hardware, program size or some other anomaly?

[dark_wood]

I can confirm too, loading time is double now.

[CarbonFox]

Since the last patch update, I've noticed the time it takes for DCS to startup has increased by quite abit.

I hope this gets improved in the next patch.

[silverdevil]

On 7/18/2023 at 11:37 PM, AvgWhiteGuy said:

It seems that 2.8 has perhaps introduced so much more ????? that my program loading time from launching on desktop icon to being fully loaded is over 3 minutes. Is it just me and my computer or is everyone experiencing massive loading times? Computer specs posted below. Note 'Eagle Dynamics' resides alone and complete on D:Eagle (447GB SanDiskSSD) as opposed to a normal C:\Eagle Dynamics location. 
This launch time is AFTER a reboot (soft or hard) with only TrackIR, VoiceAttack, Razer Synapse (Razer Orbweaver controller program) running AND anti-virus turned OFF.
Furthermore, once DCS up & running it will take almost a minute to launch a very basic MIZ of 4 a/c on tarmac cold, where the entire earth it seems is covered by water for the first 10-15 seconds before the land, airfield, continent emerges.
Actual play is pretty good with normal 55-60fps except some inflight scenery locations dropping to 30fps.
Is this my ancient hardware, program size or some other anomaly?

 

 

On 7/18/2023 at 11:48 PM, 4eyes said:

Yes, my loading times are taking twice as long since the last update.  Enough time to head to the bathroom and grab a snack.  So far, once it is loaded it works fine. I have experienced no drops in fps. My computer specs are almost the same as yours.  The only difference is the video card. I have the 1080Ti. 

 

On 7/19/2023 at 2:01 AM, dark_wood said:

I can confirm too, loading time is double now.

been doing this since last update. sorry.

talk of tea, beer, walk around the block. it will eventually get worked out.

this post has 7 pages as of today.

 

[silverdevil]

On 7/19/2023 at 4:36 PM, CarbonFox said:

Since the last patch update, I've noticed the time it takes for DCS to startup has increased by quite abit.

I hope this gets improved in the next patch.

 

[AvgWhiteGuy]

So it is what it is, another beta issue that ED will hopefully address in coming updates. This was identified back in June under DCS World 2.8 > Bugs and Problems >Installation Problems which is why I missed it in searches. See below for additional info and suggestions on which cocktails can be made to occupy your time while loading.

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/328744-obnoxious-dcs-startup-times-since-28641393-openbeta-mt-around-120-seconds/

 

[BIGNEWY]

threads merged

[LeCuvier]

Just measured the time so I can measure any future improvement.
The OB MT took 2' 41" to load. I have Windows on a SSD and DCS World on a dedicated SSD.

[AvgWhiteGuy]

Ok, given this hopefully temp situation is it possible to make some edit, in some DCS LUA, INI, CFG or ??? that would allow me to change my overall resolution manually BEFORE launching DCS icon?

I want to work on a project where I don't need my usual 2560x1080 res, but instead want 1600x900 so I can use the remainder of the screen. But the current 4+ minute loading time means I waste almost 10 minutes getting set up.