Patch Notes discussion November 2023

[Recluse]

4 hours ago, Pikey said:

fwiw (this will get lost in about 2hrs)
getCategory() was fixed after many years, maybe never worked since 1.2. This will break scritps because people will have learned how to use it over time and copy paste does the rest.

If you have scripts with examples like:

category = event.initiator:getCategory() if category == Object.Category.UNIT then

This will fail because the return has changed to depend what the function was called on, for example it returns now;

Unit.Category = { AIRPLANE = 0, HELICOPTER = 1, GROUND_UNIT = 2, SHIP = 3, STRUCTURE = 4 }
Airbase.Category = { AIRDROME = 0, HELIPAD = 1, SHIP = 2, }
Weapon.Category { SHELL = 0, MISSILE = 1, ROCKET = 2, BOMB = 3, }

Beforehand it used to be fixed to this:
{UNIT = 1, WEAPON = 2, STATIC = 3, BASE = 4, SCENERY = 5, CARGO = 6,}

Moose is fine (if you immediately update) and SpecialK has updated a bunch of things but I expect here and there people will bump into this.

 

I think we ran into this. We play the FOOTHOLD dynamic persistent missions and all of a sudden things stopped working (granting of credits for kills) and we did get some Script error messages that seemed related to this.

I noticed it tonight on Marianas Foothold, and then I fired up the Foothold Caucasus 1.4.4 and the same thing happened (no credits granted nor message). I didn't fly that long enough to get a script error.

I know a lot of people run various Foothold flavors on their servers.  Have you noticed this happening?

Edited November 17, 2023 by Recluse

[KCOOL]

Very good performance with a 4090, with hp v2, with latest nvidia driver. I also use Taz mods.

I see better terrain shadows now..I also see some new details on the ground due to better performance. Incredible!

I use 200pct WMR, and 2 in detail settings dcs. ULTRA CRISP at 45 fps locked almost anywhere (single player).

nvcp: x16, ultra low latency, max power and clamp, rest default

Dcs is getting better and better. Thanks!

 

Edited November 17, 2023 by KCOOL

[westr]

13 hours ago, RaisedByWolves said:

That doesn’t seem to be a fix.

Ok that’s a shame as it does work for me but I have read that for some users it does not work for them. 

[schurem]

What's wrong with the harrier?

[Hiob]

18 minutes ago, Omega1-1 said:

1) I saw a new setting "Max FPS" and it was default set to 180. What is that? I can turn it to 300.

It is the software fps-cap that is enforced by the application itself. It limits the. max fps. to the specified value. So e.g. if you set it to 90 but your CPU/GPU would be able to run more than that, it would still only output 90. However if you set it to 90 and your hardware only achieves 80, it doesn't do anything.

This could formerly be done by altering an autoexec or the graphics.lua (or set a limit in a third party software like afterburner/rivastatistics). It is just a creature comfort feature to be able to do it from the menu now. 

[Pikey]

8 hours ago, Recluse said:

I think we ran into this. We play the FOOTHOLD dynamic persistent missions and all of a sudden things stopped working (granting of credits for kills) and we did get some Script error messages that seemed related to this.

I noticed it tonight on Marianas Foothold, and then I fired up the Foothold Caucasus 1.4.4 and the same thing happened (no credits granted nor message). I didn't fly that long enough to get a script error.

I know a lot of people run various Foothold flavors on their servers.  Have you noticed this happening?

 

Foothold is a Mist based mission, I know that's still updated by Grimes, but I have no idea if that is impacted or how, I haven't tried it personally.

[HC_Official]

8 hours ago, Recluse said:

I think we ran into this. We play the FOOTHOLD dynamic persistent missions and all of a sudden things stopped working (granting of credits for kills) and we did get some Script error messages that seemed related to this.

I noticed it tonight on Marianas Foothold, and then I fired up the Foothold Caucasus 1.4.4 and the same thing happened (no credits granted nor message). I didn't fly that long enough to get a script error.

I know a lot of people run various Foothold flavors on their servers.  Have you noticed this happening?

 

Yes it errors for me as well

[Recluse]

2 minutes ago, Pikey said:

Foothold is a Mist based mission, I know that's still updated by Grimes, but I have no idea if that is impacted or how, I haven't tried it personally.

Yeah, I realize that, but I am not skilled enough in scripting to know if it is affected. All I know is that after the update all of our Foothold missions ceased to work in the ways they had just before.

If it is any diagnostic help, this (to the best of my limited ability to discern)  is the kind of script that seems to be failing: I can see the UNIT.CATEGORY.AIRPLANE and following code that seems similar.

function BattleCommander:startRewardPlayerContribution(defaultReward, rewards)
        self.playerRewardsOn = true
        self.rewards = rewards
        self.defaultReward = defaultReward
        
        local ev = {}
        ev.context = self
        ev.rewards = rewards
        ev.default = defaultReward
        function ev:onEvent(event)
            local unit = event.initiator
            if unit and unit:getCategory() == Object.Category.UNIT and (unit:getDesc().category == Unit.Category.AIRPLANE or unit:getDesc().category == Unit.Category.HELICOPTER)then
                local side = unit:getCoalition()
                local groupid = unit:getGroup():getID()
                local pname = unit:getPlayerName()
                if pname then
                    if (event.id==6) then --pilot ejected
                        if self.context.playerContributions[side][pname] ~= nil and self.context.playerContributions[side][pname]>0 then
                            local tenp = math.floor(self.context.playerContributions[side][pname]*0.25)
                            self.context:addFunds(side, tenp)
                            trigger.action.outTextForCoalition(side, '['..pname..'] ejected. +'..tenp..' credits (25% of earnings). Kill statistics lost.', 5)
                            self.context:addStat(pname, 'Points', tenp)
                            self.context.playerContributions[side][pname] = 0
                        end
                    end
                    
                    if (event.id==15) then  -- spawned
                        self.context.playerContributions[side][pname] = 0
                        self.context:resetTempStats(pname)
                    end
                    
                    if (event.id==28) then --killed unit
                        if event.target.getCoalition and side ~= event.target:getCoalition() then
                            if self.context.playerContributions[side][pname] ~= nil then
                                local earning,message,stat = self.context:objectToRewardPoints2(event.target)
                                
                                if earning and message then
                                    trigger.action.outTextForGroup(groupid,'['..pname..'] '..message, 5)
                                    self.context.playerContributions[side][pname] = self.context.playerContributions[side][pname] + earning
                                end
                                
                                if stat then
                                    self.context:addTempStat(pname,stat,1)
                                end
                            end
                        end
                    end
                    
                    if (event.id==4) then --landed
                        if self.context.playerContributions[side][pname] and self.context.playerContributions[side][pname] > 0 then
                            for i,v in ipairs(self.context:getZones()) do
                                if side==v.side and Utils.isInZone(unit, v.zone) then
                                    trigger.action.outTextForGroup(groupid, '['..pname..'] landed at '..v.zone..'.\nWait 10 seconds to claim credits...', 5)
                                    
                                    local claimfunc = function(context, zone, player, unitname)
                                        local un = Unit.getByName(unitname)
                                        if un and Utils.isInZone(un,zone.zone) and Utils.isLanded(un, true) and un:getPlayerName()==player then
                                            if un:getLife() > 0 then
                                                context:addFunds(zone.side, context.playerContributions[zone.side][player])
                                                trigger.action.outTextForCoalition(zone.side, '['..player..'] redeemed '..context.playerContributions[zone.side][player]..' credits', 5)
                                                context:printTempStats(zone.side,player)
                                                context:addTempStat(player, 'Points', context.playerContributions[zone.side][player])
                                                context:commitTempStats(player)
                                                context.playerContributions[zone.side][player] = 0
                                                
                                                context:saveToDisk() -- save persistance data to enable ending mission after cashing money
                                            end
                                        end
                                    end
                                    
                                    mist.scheduleFunction(claimfunc, {self.context, v, pname, unit:getName() }, timer.getTime()+10)
                                    break
                                end
                            end
                        end
                    end
                end
            end
        end

 

2 minutes ago, HC_Official said:

Yes it errors for me as well

Thanks for confirming!

[HC_Official]

I just checked Github, MIST is being updated to deal with these issues , just hold fast I am sure it will be fixed soon

[Recluse]

Just now, HC_Official said:

I just checked Github, MIST is being updated to deal with these issues , just hold fast I am sure it will be fixed soon

THANKS for the info...

[Hiob]

31 minutes ago, Omega1-1 said:

Thank you for the answer.  Is still dont know when and if i should use it, but at least i know what it does.

You don't need to use it. Advantages of limiting the fps can be e.g.: Limiting the powerdraw of your GPU or locking the FPS to 60 or 120 to smoothen the panning with TrackIR.

But if you never had any use of tinkering with the fps in the first place, just leave it on the default value of 180. It won't impact visuals or gameplay in the slightest. 

Edited November 17, 2023 by Hiob

[Pikey]

38 minutes ago, Recluse said:

Yeah, I realize that, but I am not skilled enough in scripting to know if it is affected. All I know is that after the update all of our Foothold missions ceased to work in the ways they had just before.

If it is any diagnostic help, this (to the best of my limited ability to discern)  is the kind of script that seems to be failing: I can see the UNIT.CATEGORY.AIRPLANE and following code that seems similar.

function BattleCommander:startRewardPlayerContribution(defaultReward, rewards)
        self.playerRewardsOn = true
        self.rewards = rewards
        self.defaultReward = defaultReward
        
        local ev = {}
        ev.context = self
        ev.rewards = rewards
        ev.default = defaultReward
        function ev:onEvent(event)
            local unit = event.initiator
            if unit and unit:getCategory() == Object.Category.UNIT and (unit:getDesc().category == Unit.Category.AIRPLANE or unit:getDesc().category == Unit.Category.HELICOPTER)then
                local side = unit:getCoalition()
                local groupid = unit:getGroup():getID()
                local pname = unit:getPlayerName()
                if pname then
                    if (event.id==6) then --pilot ejected
                        if self.context.playerContributions[side][pname] ~= nil and self.context.playerContributions[side][pname]>0 then
                            local tenp = math.floor(self.context.playerContributions[side][pname]*0.25)
                            self.context:addFunds(side, tenp)
                            trigger.action.outTextForCoalition(side, '['..pname..'] ejected. +'..tenp..' credits (25% of earnings). Kill statistics lost.', 5)
                            self.context:addStat(pname, 'Points', tenp)
                            self.context.playerContributions[side][pname] = 0
                        end
                    end
                    
                    if (event.id==15) then  -- spawned
                        self.context.playerContributions[side][pname] = 0
                        self.context:resetTempStats(pname)
                    end
                    
                    if (event.id==28) then --killed unit
                        if event.target.getCoalition and side ~= event.target:getCoalition() then
                            if self.context.playerContributions[side][pname] ~= nil then
                                local earning,message,stat = self.context:objectToRewardPoints2(event.target)
                                
                                if earning and message then
                                    trigger.action.outTextForGroup(groupid,'['..pname..'] '..message, 5)
                                    self.context.playerContributions[side][pname] = self.context.playerContributions[side][pname] + earning
                                end
                                
                                if stat then
                                    self.context:addTempStat(pname,stat,1)
                                end
                            end
                        end
                    end
                    
                    if (event.id==4) then --landed
                        if self.context.playerContributions[side][pname] and self.context.playerContributions[side][pname] > 0 then
                            for i,v in ipairs(self.context:getZones()) do
                                if side==v.side and Utils.isInZone(unit, v.zone) then
                                    trigger.action.outTextForGroup(groupid, '['..pname..'] landed at '..v.zone..'.\nWait 10 seconds to claim credits...', 5)
                                    
                                    local claimfunc = function(context, zone, player, unitname)
                                        local un = Unit.getByName(unitname)
                                        if un and Utils.isInZone(un,zone.zone) and Utils.isLanded(un, true) and un:getPlayerName()==player then
                                            if un:getLife() > 0 then
                                                context:addFunds(zone.side, context.playerContributions[zone.side][player])
                                                trigger.action.outTextForCoalition(zone.side, '['..player..'] redeemed '..context.playerContributions[zone.side][player]..' credits', 5)
                                                context:printTempStats(zone.side,player)
                                                context:addTempStat(player, 'Points', context.playerContributions[zone.side][player])
                                                context:commitTempStats(player)
                                                context.playerContributions[zone.side][player] = 0
                                                
                                                context:saveToDisk() -- save persistance data to enable ending mission after cashing money
                                            end
                                        end
                                    end
                                    
                                    mist.scheduleFunction(claimfunc, {self.context, v, pname, unit:getName() }, timer.getTime()+10)
                                    break
                                end
                            end
                        end
                    end
                end
            end
        end

 

Thanks for confirming!

That function will fail (BattleCommander) now in this fix patch.

Depending on which script it is in, depends on who to ask to update it. It's not part of Mist, it's either the ZoneCommander part belonging to Dzsekeb or the mission builder 'Obi' whoever that is, maybe they have a forum thread? Once they figure it out you can replace that line with what the author intended for it.

[Recluse]

Yeah, I think the script was Dzsekeb's original with some updates by OBI for the Marianas flavor. I hope they see fit to fix it. Pretty sure that there are more instances throughout the Foothold scripts managing that stuff.  More challenging when we aren't collecting points for our successes!!

Edited November 17, 2023 by Recluse

[bonesvf103]

21 hours ago, Schlomo1933 said:

Again no Fix for Tomcat included ? Is the TCS still not working in MT?

I fly MT and my TCS works fine even before the patch...

v6,

boNes

[Schlomo1933]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb bonesvf103:

I fly MT and my TCS works fine even before the patch...

v6,

boNes

That’s fine for you . But there are many people where it’s not working. And Heatblur told us they have a fix . But I did not made it into the last update… and this time it didn’t made it again. 

[Bloyamind]

I'm still downloading the update, but if the compass fix for the Spitfire means it has a lubber line now, it would be huge for immersion, for me at least

[PLUTON]

, les textures du pilote F18 manquent
dans la vue intérieure. vue extérieure normale.
Ceci depuis la mise à jour du 16/11/23
Quelqu'un a-t-il le même problème ?
Ou suis-je le seul ?

[mongrel]

Anyone having problems with EVENTS since the update? Birth events aren't triggering for me and was looking for confirmation that I am not in a one-off situation.

[bonesvf103]

4 hours ago, Schlomo1933 said:

That’s fine for you . But there are many people where it’s not working. And Heatblur told us they have a fix . But I did not made it into the last update… and this time it didn’t made it again. 

Understood, when I posted that it was out of surprise because since it was working I had no idea there was even an issue, plus I thought it worth mentioning so that HB knew it wasn't everyone (which I let them know in that other thread).  Meant no disrespect.

v6,

boNes

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

6 minutes ago, bonesvf103 said:

I had no idea there was even an issue

The TCS has been broken ever since we got MT:

 

[draconus]

1 hour ago, bonesvf103 said:

I had no idea there was even an issue

Do you even use VR? It's mostly VR+MT problem.

[St4rgun]

Dear @BIGNEWY with maximum respect may I ask what is the explanation that the VR mask is still missing when not using MSAA (using no AA or using other AA methods)?

The DLAA technology is the best what happened to this sim visually recently, but the missing VR mask really ruins the experience, it's very bad. Is it really that resource-intensive work to patch it?

Not to mention the still existing over-exposure behavior in the cockpit view, the washed out visuals are not so appealing. I know, that's some fine tuning stuff and there're are much higher priorities in the current OB state. Maybe some options to turn it off? At least some autoexec parameter?

[twistking]

1 hour ago, St4rgun said:

Dear @BIGNEWY with maximum respect may I ask what is the explanation that the VR mask is still missing when not using MSAA (using no AA or using other AA methods)? [...]

Wasn't the VR mask just masking MSAA area? Or in other words, what would you like the VR mask to actually mask, when not using MSAA?
I'm pretty sure that DLSS/DLAA does not support foveated rendering.
Not saying that ED should not add features like masked VRS for VR, but -afaik- this would be a completely new feature and not simply a variation of the legacy VR mask.

Edited November 17, 2023 by twistking

[KCOOL]

3 hours ago, St4rgun said:

Dear @BIGNEWY with maximum respect may I ask what is the explanation that the VR mask is still missing when not using MSAA (using no AA or using other AA methods)?

The DLAA technology is the best what happened to this sim visually recently, but the missing VR mask really ruins the experience, it's very bad. Is it really that resource-intensive work to patch it?

Not to mention the still existing over-exposure behavior in the cockpit view, the washed out visuals are not so appealing. I know, that's some fine tuning stuff and there're are much higher priorities in the current OB state. Maybe some options to turn it off? At least some autoexec parameter?

use wmr toolkit to fine tune visuals

95pct the 2nd from the bottom. I believe it is called highlights 

maybe 47.5pct exposure

keep default the rest (50pct most, 0pct Shadows). you can pump up a bit colors with vibrance 20pct (0 is default).

Try and look for the best visuals for your vr headset and taste 

dcs with latest Nvidia driver and taz mods runs VERY well on 4090 and hp v2

 

 

Edited November 18, 2023 by KCOOL

[Qcumber]

10 hours ago, St4rgun said:

over-exposure behavior in the cockpit view, the washed out visuals are not so appealing

The washed-out appearance is due to low contrast or rather a higher dynamic range. You can use open xr toolkit to control contrast and make the black areas appear darker. Unfortunately this applies to the whole image rather than just the cockpit. I agree it would be good to have these settings in DCS though. Ideally a full range of settings including contrast and light/dark sliders like in Adobe Lightroom. The biggest issue for me is the footwell is too bright relative to the upper cockpit controls in some planes. 

Edited November 18, 2023 by Qcumber