released DCS: Iraq - Coming 2024

[Sandman1330]

I suppose it could be possible, for both Iraq and Afghanistan, to extend the map south in low detail to allow placement of carriers in historical positions.

It's not unprecedented - look at the Caucuses map. It extends very far west (the entire black sea and Crimea), just in low detail.

That way, we could simulate the carrier ops with longer transits in with aerial refuelling, in order to operate in the detailed area of the map.

[Nealius]

On 1/7/2024 at 8:51 AM, NineLine said:

The Iraq map will initially be centred on Baghdad to best provide War-on-Terror and War on Isis scenarios. Later, the map will be expanded south to provide older scenarios like Operations Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom.

For War-on-Terror and War on ISIS scenarios we need neighboring bodies of water for carrier groups, as well as bases in surrounding countries that extends quite a bit south and to the west even when "centered on Baghdad." Essentially encompassing the lower right quarter of Syria map and upper left quarter of PG map, perhaps more. Has an actual size been decided showing where the overall map boundaries will be?  

EDIT: After looking at the discussion on page 2 it looks like, at least initially, the map will only be suitable for helo GWOT simulation. Hopefully that won't be the case.

Edited January 18, 2024 by Nealius

[BalticDude]

I wish PG had Qatar and Bahrain modelled...

[Nealius]

I can see a case for the Iraq map having low-detail all the way down to Dubai, with a couple high-detail pockets around coalition airfields. CV/Ns were never all the way up in the northern area of the Gulf from what I've found.

[RaisedByWolves]

On 1/10/2024 at 3:23 PM, BalticDude said:

Another desert map! Could not care less about a map exclusively desired by Apache pilots to shoot defenseless goat farmers (They chose this over Korea or Vietnam).

 

lol

On 1/10/2024 at 3:23 PM, BalticDude said:

Another desert map! Could not care less about a map exclusively desired by Apache pilots to shoot defenseless goat farmers (They chose this over Korea or Vietnam).

 

lol

[Northstar98]

On 1/18/2024 at 11:22 PM, Nealius said:

EDIT: After looking at the discussion on page 2 it looks like, at least initially, the map will only be suitable for helo GWOT simulation. Hopefully that won't be the case.

Yeah, can't say I'm interested in GWOT scenarios, I'll be waiting for the southern expansion, if that entails BLUFOR airbases.

[Oban]

On 1/16/2024 at 2:34 PM, durka-durka said:

 

Mosul, Tal Afar, Kirkuk, Irbil, Sulaymaniyah (Early 2004, large runway, if a bit un-level, and civilian), Balad (Late 2003).  Those are not including FOBs, which are kind of all over the place.  I can't remember if Q-West was used as an airfield, or just a heliport. 

Heliports, same as Marez (Mosul)
There's currently plans to bring Q-West back online as fully functioning airbase, with ATC etc, I used to work for an Iraq PSC and we took clients there to do the feasability study back in 2021/2022.

[durka-durka]

16 minutes ago, Oban said:

Heliports, same as Marez (Mosul)
There's currently plans to bring Q-West back online as fully functioning airbase, with ATC etc, I used to work for an Iraq PSC and we took clients there to do the feasability study back in 2021/2022.

 

Interesting!  It's in a pretty good location.

[H60MTI]

I want everything from southern Baghdad to Turkey. Spent Sept 2007 to Dec 2008 flying all over Iraq as a Blackhawk crewchief. I am intimately familiar with those areas. Stationed at Mosul. Erbil, Sulaymaniyah, Kirkuk, Q-West, Duhok, Tal Afar, Speicher. Good thing Google Earth is there Lol

[Oban]

9 minutes ago, durka-durka said:

 

Interesting!  It's in a pretty good location.

Yeah, I pretty much visited all US FOB's and Airbases during my 18 years there. I think the Northern part of Iraq is the most interesting, it's greener, and obviously before the Kurds shot themselves in the foot, by holding a referendum for Independence a couple of years back, they were 10 years ahead of the rest of Iraq.

[durka-durka]

5 hours ago, Oban said:

Yeah, I pretty much visited all US FOB's and Airbases during my 18 years there. I think the Northern part of Iraq is the most interesting, it's greener, and obviously before the Kurds shot themselves in the foot, by holding a referendum for Independence a couple of years back, they were 10 years ahead of the rest of Iraq.

Yeah that fits my experience as well. They were my favorite people to deal with. 

The map would be really interesting to show seasons if that happens.  

[Tomcatter87]

On 1/18/2024 at 1:09 AM, Sandman1330 said:

I suppose it could be possible, for both Iraq and Afghanistan, to extend the map south in low detail to allow placement of carriers in historical positions.

It's not unprecedented - look at the Caucuses map. It extends very far west (the entire black sea and Crimea), just in low detail.

That way, we could simulate the carrier ops with longer transits in with aerial refuelling, in order to operate in the detailed area of the map.

That would be a great solution. For me as a naval ops fan, it would be a must to include some carrier ops. 

[Harlikwin]

On 1/8/2024 at 10:06 PM, NineLine said:

100% prepare for the worst hope for the best

That said, both were featured in the video so that is always a good sign.

 

Will it include a decent bit of the iranian border area for 80's scenarios? 

 

On 1/13/2024 at 9:57 AM, Stratos said:

This would have been the best of both worlds, but who knows what ED has planned.

 

Yeah this would be ideal, but I think its way over optimistic. 

[draconus]

6 hours ago, Harlikwin said:

Yeah this would be ideal, but I think its way over optimistic. 

Ideal for what? It's not even bare minimum. No Qatar/Bahrain, no major SA bases, carriers way to close. Good enough for CA and rotorheads I suppose but all other bluefor air started.

[Stratos]

6 hours ago, draconus said:

Ideal for what? It's not even bare minimum. No Qatar/Bahrain, no major SA bases, carriers way to close. Good enough for CA and rotorheads I suppose but all other bluefor air started.

It was posted as a bare minimum, Qatar is a looooong way south of Baghdad, we all would like to have it, but I think we're getting an area almost no one cares about.

[Harlikwin]

19 hours ago, draconus said:

Ideal for what? It's not even bare minimum. No Qatar/Bahrain, no major SA bases, carriers way to close. Good enough for CA and rotorheads I suppose but all other bluefor air started.

You got 2 saudi airbases for DS1... you got enough iran for iran/iraq. Hell you even got Khark island (focal point of the iran/iraq air war). So yeah if the map looked like this I'd be happy, however I have serious doubts it will.

 

Edited January 24, 2024 by Harlikwin

[C3PO]

Can't wait for a unified map for Syria / Sinai and Iraq and Afghanistan ... many missions possible....

[draconus]

1 hour ago, C3PO said:

Can't wait for a unified map for Syria / Sinai and Iraq and Afghanistan ... 

and Persian Gulf (Iran)

[Johnny Dioxin]

On 1/6/2024 at 11:51 PM, NineLine said:

Later, the map will be expanded south

All we then need is some British modules for authentic Telec scenarios. From what I read, the Tornado will be a Euro version (though it can of course fill the role) - we just need Razbam to get their finger out with that GR.7 that was supposed to be coming "in future" and some Warriors and Challengers and we're good to go

If it goes as far as Granby territory, a Jaguar and Buccaneer would be top billing (along with aforementioned Tornado) - and buddy-lasing missions aplenty!

Nice little list and a few years' work there.

Edited January 31, 2024 by Johnny Dioxin

[Dragon1-1]

Buccaneer, sure, but Jaguar will need Spherical Earth map, as according to RN Phantom drivers, it needed curvature of the Earth to even take off.  

[Johnny Dioxin]

Hey, at least it can take-off and land on grass/unprepared surfaces...

[Mr.Jazzy]

We are one month closer to release in 2024, yay!

[VDV]

no....

[ak22]

On 1/18/2024 at 11:54 PM, BalticDude said:

I wish PG had Qatar and Bahrain modelled...

Same you would think a map based on conflict in the Persian gulf would include the major bases in the Persian gulf (US Navy's 5th Fleet which oversees the Region, Qatar has the forward headquarters for US Central command, US bases in Bahrain) . 

A wasted opportunity by ED this is why I am not excited by Iraq and will skip it, I felt burnt by buying Persian map a lot is missing in Iran as well. It really does need a update they should learn form Ugra Media.

Edited February 13, 2024 by ak22

[Czar66]

1 hour ago, ak22 said:

Same you would think a map based on conflict in the Persian gulf would include the major bases in the Persian gulf (US Navy's 5th Flee which oversees the Region, Qatar has the forward headquarters for US Central command,   in Bahrain) . 

A wasted opportunity by ED this is why I am not excited by Iraq and will skip it, I felt burnt by buying Persian map a lot is missing in Iran as well. It really does need a update they should learn form Ugra Media.

 

Syria came a lot after than Persian Gulf. By then, the tech evolved a lot. Not dismissing the hard work done by Ugra Media, but lets understand that this software and a lot of its development work flow/techniques changed throughout the years.

Iran land mass still huge in the PG map, you can easily make 500 to 600nm sorties there. I fly it weekly along the Syria map.

The thing that bothers me in the PG map is detail, so I'd be going to the opposite idea of how vast the map is.

Pleasing everyone is impossible.

Edited February 8, 2024 by Czar66