Su-25T...what a turd

[monotwix]

If it was a she, it would say aaahh. It never does.

It’s a pig

Edited July 18, 2012 by monotwix

[pyromaniac4002]

the thought of an F-22 getting beaten at anything renders you impotent

 

lol, relax. I'm absolutely ready to hear who did what in which aircraft to beat an F-22, I asked you for a little bit of grounding in reality. We don't all live in a world of Christmas parties with our hot shot RAF buddies bragging about their 4.5 gen aircraft exploits against 5th gen ones, so I didn't think it would be such a big deal for you to give us something that was a little more solid. I appreciate your concern for my genitals, though it is unnecessary.

[monotwix]

Would you like another oil flood?

[RagnarDa]

I don’t like its brakes. 2 BIG doughnuts for tyres and no brakes.

With that wheelbase and front-heavyness I don't think you are ever supposed to use the brakes. Unless you'd like some grass in your cockpit.

Edited July 18, 2012 by RagnarDa

[Boberro]

I don’t like its brakes. 2 BIG doughnuts for tyres and no brakes.

 

Well, ground brakes work as they should - you are not allowed to travel taxi at 120 kph :D If so then yes, brakes are insufficient.

 

During landing we have parachute. Few days ago I landed at 490 kph, slowed down to 300 via pressing W key and dropped parachute :)

 

BTW: I love to see extraordinary changes on this forum. Someone enters, read few things about Su-25T then it morphs to F-22 ^_^

Edited July 18, 2012 by Boberro

[159th_Viper]

During landing we have parachute. Few days ago I landed at 490 kph, slowed down to 300 via pressing W key and dropped parachute :)

 

That is why it's vitally important to have your wingie check your plane for damage when RTB. I remember finding out on the RW that something tore my A$$ to shreds and with that my chute.......Tooooo late then :huh::megalol:

[Boberro]

I found since FC2 possibility of losing parachute greatly decreased. Dunno what changed but I remember in FC1 very, very often after being hit by something - Shilka, some missile or whatever I was losing chute). Since FC2 I lose it rarely, but if I do and I don't know about it then I am screwed because I tend to land at high speeds :D

[DarkMellie]

The counter-intuitive thing for me is how even at high speeds it feels like the SU-25 just wants to float down... I have to give it a fairly high angle (5+) to keep level... am I just imagining it?

 

Also, Youtube is weirdly empty of decent SU-25 tutorial vids (the eagledcs channel simply repeats the slow and boring in-game voiceover tutorial)... I've learned how to fire SEAD but not Vikhrs (which I imagine isn't too different to the Shark).

 

Is there a good text-resource? Like, "Shift+L, then Right Alt+Home... etc.." but for weapon and navigation and so on?

[Exorcet]

I'm not an attack plane fan, but I picked up the Su-25 to get used to DCS World. Vikhrs are easy. Lock on with the TV display, then activate laser range finder, and fire when you get LA. Maintain lock while missile is in flight.

[NineLine]

The counter-intuitive thing for me is how even at high speeds it feels like the SU-25 just wants to float down... I have to give it a fairly high angle (5+) to keep level... am I just imagining it?

 

Also, Youtube is weirdly empty of decent SU-25 tutorial vids (the eagledcs channel simply repeats the slow and boring in-game voiceover tutorial)... I've learned how to fire SEAD but not Vikhrs (which I imagine isn't too different to the Shark).

 

Is there a good text-resource? Like, "Shift+L, then Right Alt+Home... etc.." but for weapon and navigation and so on?

 

There is a manual included with the install.

[zipdigital]

I am surprised this post has hit 14 pages.

I'm not an attack plane fan, but I picked up the Su-25 to get used to DCS World. Vikhrs are easy. Lock on with the TV display, then activate laser range finder, and fire when you get LA. Maintain lock while missile is in flight.

 

The laser is automatically activated when in range and target is within launch parameters. In the old days the laser had to be manually activated...

[docfu]

As a language instructor, I can say one thing that goes for sure is that you learn more when something is hard, even if you have a feeling of failure afterwards.

 

The SU-25T has been a riot to learn for me. I've spent almost all week on just that first campaign mission, playing it over and over while learning the various systems and trying out weaponry. There is a lot to learn about flying, and even more to learn about landing.

 

(Is that 7 m/s crosswind considered hard by the way?)

 

One thing I can't get enough of in this game is no matter how skilled you get, simple things like MANPADS and SAM's always give you a nice kick in the ass to remind you that there is no such thing as a 'clean war'. Sure you can take all KH-25ML's and just bombard your targets, one by one, all day, but you don't LEARN as much that way. I was even ready to give up on Vikhr's until I learned that high angle and flaps for stability seems to make a huge difference in target impact. Now I love 'em because I can get 8-16 kills versus 2 with the KH-25MLs.

 

All this simulation cockpit experience really makes me wonder what unmanned drone piloting must be like and if they can be used to take out armored targets.

 

So yes, the toad is a flying piece of garbage, now learn to fly it so well your enemies are afraid to show up for work.

[Eihort]

I land the Su-25T by treating it like a 737. Personally I love the thing. It's great fun and a serious challenge to fly effectively. In FC2 MP I did pretty good with it, even at night.

 

It's also my understanding that the Vikhr doesn't actually track a laser on the target, but instead looks behind it at the firing aircraft and a laser grid projected by that instead. If the missile happens to fall outside the grid, it goes DERP.

[Ironhand]

As a language instructor, I can say one thing that goes for sure is that you learn more when something is hard, even if you have a feeling of failure afterwards.

 

The SU-25T has been a riot to learn for me. I've spent almost all week on just that first campaign mission, playing it over and over while learning the various systems and trying out weaponry. There is a lot to learn about flying, and even more to learn about landing.

 

(Is that 7 m/s crosswind considered hard by the way?)

 

One thing I can't get enough of in this game is no matter how skilled you get, simple things like MANPADS and SAM's always give you a nice kick in the ass to remind you that there is no such thing as a 'clean war'. Sure you can take all KH-25ML's and just bombard your targets, one by one, all day, but you don't LEARN as much that way. I was even ready to give up on Vikhr's until I learned that high angle and flaps for stability seems to make a huge difference in target impact. Now I love 'em because I can get 8-16 kills versus 2 with the KH-25MLs.

 

All this simulation cockpit experience really makes me wonder what unmanned drone piloting must be like and if they can be used to take out armored targets.

 

So yes, the toad is a flying piece of garbage, now learn to fly it so well your enemies are afraid to show up for work.

:) I think the "flying piece of garbage" is a bit harsh but, once you know her, she can be a lot of fun.

 

 

Rich

[docfu]

I like my women trashy. :thumbup:

[Eihort]

There are so many pictures I could post....

[Aries]

Uf... just read all 15 pages of this thread... can't really say I learned anything... except that maybe Vikhrs automatically turn laser on... that I'll try...

 

I'm surprised the recent Libyan operation is not on the list. And Iraq is not that far off..

 

This caught my eye... Please don't make simulated Libya conflicts... Flew so many sorties in F-19 Stealth Fighter against Benghazi, Ras Lanuf and Tripoli that I would probably puke if someone showed me a briefing map with a "rebel camp" target for "fuel-air" bombs... :D

[Kuky]

The Su-25T is not bad at all... most people will load it fully (which is a mistake) and then yes, it becomes very slow to turn... so instead load 2-4 pylonsa only (unless you load all small rockets, in which case you can load all) and it'll fly and turn much better.

 

If you load Vikhrs only that still gives you ability to take out 8-16 targets from standoff range (fire and kil one then extend and repeat)

 

I can get 2-3 kills in one pass with Vikhrs no problem, sometimes when lucky I can get 4 in one pass :)

[zzzspace]

I land the Su-25T by treating it like a 737. Personally I love the thing. It's great fun and a serious challenge to fly effectively. In FC2 MP I did pretty good with it, even at night.

 

It's also my understanding that the Vikhr doesn't actually track a laser on the target, but instead looks behind it at the firing aircraft and a laser grid projected by that instead. If the missile happens to fall outside the grid, it goes DERP.

 

Was wondering that myself, with people taking out up to 4 targets in one pass.

[tflash]

Damn, how did I miss this thread? Frankly I am a Frog fan! Why?

 

1/ I like the classic Russian avionics;

2/ In game, it flies absolutely wonderfull, good job Yo-Yo and crew!

3/ It is fast! Faster than A-10C, that is. It isn't an F-16, but can get you out of harm's way when needed!

 

Advise: don't load the Vikhr! Why?

 

1/ It ruins your aerodynamics turning the Frog into a Toad!

2/ You are making a shallow dive towards the target, making you very vulnerable

 

Instead, fight the "Russian" way, as seen in video footage of Su-25 in action:

 

1/ Fly medium/medium high

2/ make a steep dive over the target, in the Stuka / Sturmovik way

3/ unleash the goodies rockets, cluster ammo, slick bombs

4/ climb the hell out of there releasing flares

 

With some practice, you can take out a moving tank with a dumb bomb.

Sheer fun imho. Taking out four tanks in a row with guided missiles? Well, get yourself an Apache helo, then it might actually be a realistic scenario.

With the Vikhr it is just to dangerous to be done for real.

Edited August 4, 2012 by tflash

[Erdem]

Advise: don't load the Vikhr! Why?

 

Instead, fight the "Russian" way, as seen in video footage of Su-25 in action:

 

Why even take the T then? Just use the regular frog. The whole point of Su-25T seems to me is to take out armor with Vikhr's. If you're going to load it up with dumb bombs and rockets . . . that seems counter productive.

[Ironhand]

The counter-intuitive thing for me is how even at high speeds it feels like the SU-25 just wants to float down... I have to give it a fairly high angle (5+) to keep level... am I just imagining it?...

Sorry I missed this earlier, when I was perusing this thread.

 

It's your imagination.... :) Or, rather, you're paying attention to the wrong HUD datum. You're thinking that the horizon line equals level flight. It doesn't. The -25T almost always flies--if not always--with a slight nose up attitude. The datum you need to watch is the number just above the arrow midway down the right side of the HUD. That's the VVI reading repeated on the HUD. "0" indicates level flight. But, then again, you might already know this.

 

Although the tutorials on my website for this aircraft are a bit dated (Flaming Cliffs 1.x), much of the info is still useful. (Key commands have changed but the end result is still much the same.) There's a 47 minute orientation flight you can download from the Flight Basics page. Clicking my signature will take you to the site.

 

 

Rich

[maturin]

Ironhand, I recently figured out how to read the HUD with that climbing arrow, like you said.

 

But it tends to disappear at inopportune moments. Is it only available in Nav mode or something?

[Exorcet]

Ironhand, I recently figured out how to read the HUD with that climbing arrow, like you said.

 

But it tends to disappear at inopportune moments. Is it only available in Nav mode or something?

 

Yes, but there is a gauge in the center of the hud panel that does the same thing. Right next to the engine RPM. Everything is in the DCS PDF manual.