blkspade Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 I think people are mixing screen refresh rate with FPS, AFAIK the 75hz is simply screen refresh rate, nothing to do with FPS. Yeah basically you'd never want a higher frame rate than what your screen refresh is as that tends to induce tearing. So in that respect its 'good' that we get crappy frame rates in DCS. http://104thphoenix.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 75Hz Screen, = 75 Refreshes Per Second = 0.013333333333333333333333333333333 Seconds Per frame = 13.333333333333333925 MS Per Frame. The thing that needs to be low MS Response time is the Individual PX A Screen can display 75 Fields Per second, but if it takes the individual Pixels longer than say 8 ms to change from red to blue or white to black, then you start having issues with ghosting, bleed colors, etc etc. Pixel response time should be 5ms or lower, I run my games on 2MS response time Screens, and when I goto the other PC that uses an older 7MS Response time LCD, you can see some artifacts/ghosting due to the slow pixels in action / panning scenes. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksolo Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 I could not resist and pre-order DK2. Due to invoice number, I am 184455-th in the list... Dont worry,from what I understand the invoice numbers are scrambled so the number doesnt mean much. Intel i7 6700k OC 4.7ghz Asus ROG Maximus VIII Hero Motherboard Zotac GTX980ti 6GB Amp Extreme 32 GB DDR4 3200 RAM Oculus Rift CV1 Thrustmaster Warthog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kam Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 I can wait for CV, gives me more money to spend on an Intel X99 based PC. Intel 5820k | Asus X-99A | Crucial 16GB | Powercolor Devil RX580 8GB | Win 10 x64 | Oculus Rift | https://gallery.ksotov.co.uk Patiently waiting for: DCS: Panavia Tornado, DCS: SA-2 Guideline, DCS: SA-3 Goa, DCS: S-300 Grumble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhe Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 hey mate!as you are from vienna as well, i wonder if there would be any chance to try it out once you have it? ;) the beer is on me! Sure, no problem! I have a DK1 already, so you can try that one out too if you want. :thumbup: | i9 12900K | 64GB DDR5-6000 | STRIX RTX 4090 OC | LG 38GN950 38" | | Hanns-G HT225HPB | TIR 5 & Varjo Aero | Virpil Throttle & Stick | TM TPRs | You don't stop playing because you grow old, you grow old because you stop playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9.JG27 DavidRed Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 awesome! now the question, wieselburger or ottakringer?:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimFreak Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I could not resist and pre-order DK2. Due to invoice number, I am 184455-th in the list... Their forum said that that number is randomized so that people will not guess when they will be next in line. Did anyone already get a full charge vs 55$? I was under impression that first they charged 55 and then when shipment ready, they would charge full amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra847 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Sure, no problem! I have a DK1 already, so you can try that one out too if you want. :thumbup: Catch a train down here to Graz and we'll pop the MiG-21's VR cherry. :pilotfly: Nicholas Dackard Founder & Lead Artist Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9.JG27 DavidRed Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 well, no train needed...tomorrow im going to fly to graz in a katana...sure its a bit tight, but there is enough room for mhe and the oculus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobek Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Catch a train down here to Graz and we'll pop the MiG-21's VR cherry. :pilotfly: You're in Graz? Excellent. :) Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReviZorro Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Dont worry,from what I understand the invoice numbers are scrambled so the number doesnt mean much. Their forum said that that number is randomized so that people will not guess when they will be next in line. Thx, feels better now :) Did anyone already get a full charge vs 55$? I was under impression that first they charged 55 and then when shipment ready, they would charge full amount. In my case, they charge all amount and immediately recharge it minus $50. I9-9900K@5000, Z370, 32Gb DDR4 3200, RTX 3090, Dell UP3216q VPC MongoosT-50 CM2 Stick, Base (75+100 ext.) & Throttle, BRD KG-13B, adapted to use with Warthog connector, VKB MK20-3 Pro Pedals, 2 x Saitek Quadrant, Pimax Vision 8K Plus + 2 HTC Bases + Index Controllers + DAS A lot of 3D printed modifications for all above. Ultimaker 2+; Hardlight Sirius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhe Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 awesome! now the question, wieselburger or ottakringer?:) Actually Gösser Radler if anything, not that much of a beer guy. ;) Catch a train down here to Graz and we'll pop the MiG-21's VR cherry. :pilotfly: Damn, so tempting... well, no train needed...tomorrow im going to fly to graz in a katana...sure its a bit tight, but there is enough room for mhe and the oculus! Haven't flown Katanas for quite some time, only lots of Cessna experience. Would be an interesting road trip, but I have to work on sunday and saturday is already fully booked. :( | i9 12900K | 64GB DDR5-6000 | STRIX RTX 4090 OC | LG 38GN950 38" | | Hanns-G HT225HPB | TIR 5 & Varjo Aero | Virpil Throttle & Stick | TM TPRs | You don't stop playing because you grow old, you grow old because you stop playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansangb Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Their forum said that that number is randomized so that people will not guess when they will be next in line. Did anyone already get a full charge vs 55$? I was under impression that first they charged 55 and then when shipment ready, they would charge full amount. I was just charged $50 and not $55. hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddabboyahoo.com Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Based on tomshardware charts and other benchmarking charts we are in big trouble with the RIFT and compute power. I'm thinking an full desktop 135watt i7-4core and (2) SLI 770's are going to be the minimum to make the DK2 work smoothly with all games and everything turned on. That should get 75fps in most games in stereo 3d at 1920x1080 with it all on. But I'm thinking if they goto 2560x1440 for consumer then even (3) 770's SLI or even (3) 780's might not be able to do it smoothly with all the goodness on. Time to start saving for many GPUs and a new desktop gamer. -mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leadf00t Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Ordered straight away. I'm kind of a developer (cockpits etc), that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hannibal Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 im saving for a PC with the new intel haswell-e 8 core BEAST find me on steam! username: Hannibal_A101A http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197969447179 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlidfan Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 im saving for a PC with the new intel haswell-e 8 core BEAST What are you going to use the other 6 1/2 cores for? ;) ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hannibal Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 other games... :D btw, any word about EDGE and its core usage? find me on steam! username: Hannibal_A101A http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197969447179 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gisen Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Based on tomshardware charts and other benchmarking charts we are in big trouble with the RIFT and compute power. I'm thinking an full desktop 135watt i7-4core and (2) SLI 770's are going to be the minimum to make the DK2 work smoothly with all games and everything turned on. That should get 75fps in most games in stereo 3d at 1920x1080 with it all on. But I'm thinking if they goto 2560x1440 for consumer then even (3) 770's SLI or even (3) 780's might not be able to do it smoothly with all the goodness on. Time to start saving for many GPUs and a new desktop gamer. -mikey Mikey, I think you are getting this slightly wrong: as I understand it there will be increased demand for graphics in that the rift will have to render once For each eye but you don't have to have a system capable of running games at 75 or 90fps. That is more like the refresh rate of the rift, like current monitors can be 120hz but you can still play games at 30fps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongodriver Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 still amazes me that some are getting this so mixed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddabboyahoo.com Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Mikey, I think you are getting this slightly wrong: as I understand it there will be increased demand for graphics in that the rift will have to render once For each eye but you don't have to have a system capable of running games at 75 or 90fps. That is more like the refresh rate of the rift, like current monitors can be 120hz but you can still play games at 30fps Of coarse you can run it at low frame rates. But the specs for running in the rift really want you to be able to do 75 fps not to get sick. They want it to be solid at fast fps. That said I'm perfectly happy to play with my DK1 at 25-45 fps right now. But at oculus they definately want game makers to create games that will run solidly at very high fps. I don't think they'd think a 30fps game was considered rift ready. -michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 i get over 30 Frames per second running maxed on 2 viewports at 960x1080. I suspect we'll have EDGE/DX11 Support before Rift is released, so I'm positive that a single Mid-High Tier GPU will run DCS on Rift fine. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoggs Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 (edited) i get over 30 Frames per second running maxed on 2 viewports at 960x1080. I suspect we'll have EDGE/DX11 Support before Rift is released, so I'm positive that a single Mid-High Tier GPU will run DCS on Rift fine. Yeah I think a lot of people think it will have to render 1080p(Dk2) or 1440p(hopefully CV1) for each eye when in reality it is rendering half that per eye. That being said, on the current engine I get 50-60 depending on what is going on(with 1 viewpoint @1440p)... Well I do get lower when looking through the TGP at towns with AI in them. I wonder if low persistence will help with the lower framerate or at least the stuttering. Edit: Oh and rift doesn't do 3d like a 3d monitor where it needs the high fps to alternate the images. But from what I am hearing you need it for less motion sickness. One day (long time I know) I think it would be cool to see DCS in 8k/eye @240hz :) Edited March 25, 2014 by Scoggs fixes My SpecsAsus Maximus Hero IX Z270 i7 7700k @ 4.7GHz 32GB G.SKILL TridentZ 3700MHz DDR4 EVGA RTX 2080Ti Samsung 960 Evo 1TB M.2 NVME SSD EVGA SuperNOVA 1200 P2 Acer XB270HU 144Hz @ 1440p (IPS) Valve Index OOOOhhh, I wish I had the Alpha of a Hornet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 2K is 1080p Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
average_pilot Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 still amazes me that some are getting this so mixed up.It's not a mistake of the people mixing refresh rates and fps. Those high fps rates are what Oculus recommends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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