Any new info?!

[Vlerkies]

Is it here yet? ,,,, No, ok I will be back :)

[Hueyman]

Any Cobra is fine for me... Or the earlier Vietnam AH-1G or later W Super Cobra used on seas would be fine...

 

But this thread, so hard to follow as there is 15 replies/hours, is about HUEY

[Cowboy10uk]

What is exactly the reason for continuing developing the Cobra instead of the Apache? I understand that its good with common parts between the Huey and Cobra, and the smaller size, but other than that the Apache seems to be a much more capable platform, even for shipboard operations?

 

I'm guessing as Belsimtek seem to have

 

A. An official license from Bell.

B. the Cobra shares a lot of parts with the Huey, so should be an easier conversion.

C. I believe the Cobra isn't as advanced a weapons system as the Apache so again would be an easier aircraft to simulate.

 

Yes I don't think anyone will disagree the Apache is the better platform, but we have to crawl before we can walk. By taking small steps when introducing user helicopters into DCS, we will have a better fleet at the end of it. First they do the Huey, as a base practice aircraft, then as it shares a lot of parts with the Huey, they bring us a Cobra, however this of course allows them to get used to more advanced avionics that the Huey didnt have. Then bringing everything they have learned from that, we get an Apache.

 

Again it's all about the small steps, that in the end make one giant leap. It's gonna take time sure, but I have a feeling and damn I'm hope I'm right, that the 3 new helicopters that we know about are just the beginning.

 

But only time will tell.

 

Cowboy10uk

[Python]

Or perhaps ED are reserving that particular aircraft for themselves in the form of an official DCS module...

[71st_Mastiff]

"C. I believe the Cobra isn't as advanced a weapons system as the Apache so again would be an easier aircraft to simulate."

 

I do believe the only thing different is the gun..

and the weapons it can load up, either Hell fires, or Rockets..

[JesseJames38]

Being that the AH-1 that was announced in the video was the AH-1G which would be the first cobra made. At that time frame the only weapons was rockets and tow missles at best, but most likly two sets of rocket pods instead of rockets and Tow. also some of the turrets housed two guns. a gernade launcher and mini gun. there are some really neat videos on youtube of the AH-1G of vietname era.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMH1zgQpru0

 

edited for more info, video link

 

Jesse

Edited March 5, 2013 by JesseJames38
more info, video link

[Darkwolf]

I don t mind a G version, but would have prefered a W or Z

[BIGNEWY]

I would rather fly an early cobra than an Apache any day....

 

Get yourself up close and personal with the grunts instead of being miles away out of danger ( thats why prince harry is in one lol )

 

Just saying :)

[AlphaOneSix]

Get yourself up close and personal with the grunts instead of being miles away out of danger

 

I was preparing some quotes to debunk this but I won't bother. I'm sure you know that's not the case.

Edited March 5, 2013 by AlphaOneSix

[BIGNEWY]

I was preparing some quotes to debunk this but I won't bother. I'm sure you know that's not the case.

 

I was trolling really for the Apache fanboi's, well done for not taking the bait :)

[Darkwolf]

I'm taking the chance to have a really stupid question : what's main difference between Apache and Cobra ? They always looked similar to me. But while reading more and more about it, it seems to be somehow more different than what i though.

 

Just need a quick and small answer, that's no place to debate too long about that :)

[BIGNEWY]

Simple answer is the Apache is modern

 

it has superior avionics, weapons and so on

[SkateZilla]

I'd rather fly the early one, that way It's not compared to BF3, ahahaha

[Bushmanni]

AH-1Z has better avionics than AH-64D Block2. The main difference is that Apache is bigger and heavier, hence it can absorb more damage, fly farther and longer and carry more weapons, armor and equipment. Nowadays the weight of the electronics is way more less than back in the days so Cobra and Apache are pretty much even at that department nowadays but Apache still wins in the size.

[RIFLE_JTAC_TRAINING]

I agree. The AH-1Z is like the A-10A becoming the A-10C in my opinion.

 

And I will say my first encounter and some others with the Apache was not impressive. The cobra perhaps due to its lack of systems has always just did what it had to do. Cant wait for the cobra to come out!!!

[The_Pharoah]

Isn't it also AH-1Z = USMC, AH-64 = US Army? :) (thats my $0.02 contribution! lol).

[VincentLaw]

I agree. The AH-1Z is like the A-10A becoming the A-10C in my opinion.

 

Going from the AH-1G to the AH-1Z is more like going from an A-4 to an F/A-18E. Every aspect of it has been improved, not just the avionics, to the point that it is hardly the same helicopter at all.

 

If Belsimtek is making the AH-1G, then I would rather just fly the UH-1 because it has a nice mix of utility and combat capability, and I already have the shark to play with, but if they plan on doing one of the more advanced variants, I will definitely be interested.

[Sundowner.pl]

Being that the AH-1 that was announced in the video was the AH-1G which would be the first cobra made. At that time frame the only weapons was rockets and tow missles at best, but most likly two sets of rocket pods instead of rockets and Tow. also some of the turrets housed two guns. a gernade launcher and mini gun.

No TOW on the Golf Cobra, for that you need later Sierra or Foxtrot models, or the twin-engine Tango and Whiskey ones.

 

As far as the armament for Golf Cobra goes, it's mostly 2,75" FFARs, but also minigun pods, 20mm Vulcan (although with limited fire rate), and... bombs (napalm, fragmentation, cluster).

 

 

[Darkwolf]

Well.

In my dream, G version would be the start, then Belsimtek would try to devellop the others version step by step and release a few more version in the future.

Could be logic, making a nice airframe and FM, then slightly improving it when they become more and more confident with scripting engine, data available and FM. That's only a dream but I hope that's the plan. (Belsimtek, if you read me....).

 

G version would be useless in current DCS. Rocket attacks (don't work well with no radius damage) and gun strafes are nearly suicidal. Infantry is not implemented in dynamic mission generator, and can't be added by altering generator database.

That will be something i will purchase as it would be fun to fly, this is not something i expect to be efficient on DCS world.

 

@ Sundowner : Nice picture, thank you for posting these :)

[Hueyman]

Why posting about an hypethetic future Cobra on a Huey thread that isn't even released ?

[Raven68]

Why posting about an hypethetic future Cobra on a Huey thread that isn't even released ?

 

+1

 

Why not start a wishlist thread??

[Silver_Dragon]

Hypotetic?

 

Originally Posted by Darkwolf

AH-1 cobra was announced recently in a podcast, by wags, if i remember well. Could it be possible that Belsimtek will be handling that baby thanks to their licence ?

this is the case and will be.

[Sundowner.pl]

Sheer boredom.

[EagleEye]

Hypotetic?

I would also say so. (sure it makes sense, but....) PilotMi8 is a ED Partner and not Belsimtek staff. We know for sure, when it is officaly announced.

 

Why posting about an hypethetic future Cobra on a Huey thread that isn't even released?

I think we need a new thread: "Any new Huey info?":D

[Darkwolf]

Why posting about an hypethetic future Cobra on a Huey thread that isn't even released ?

 

 

Subject name is no more news.

I'm afraid i've been the one launching the Cobra debate. I apology.