You have committed fratricide....

[Taproot]

I have been thinking about this fratricide thing for many weeks now, and it annoys me more and more.

 

I fail completely at seeing why this should be implemented in the game.

 

Since logbook by default only works in singleplayer fratricide can not be used to make people "think twice" before gunning down an ally in multiplayer.

 

The fratricide feature punishes you for mistakes you do. F ex crashing with the tanker. Hey, you didn't meen to!

 

It is my experience that this feature punishes you 10/10 times (in my case) for mistakes done my either me or some stupid AI. 100% of the time I get blamed for it.

 

It also seems bugged in other ways to.

 

I have ebs MP-logbook (ty Ebs). Last night I played on a server for 3 hours yesterday. I only killed enemies. I did not crash and kill any allies. I did crash a guy on the taxiway, and I did get crashed on from behind by a fellow player. In both cases we repaired.

 

I had joy joy feelings sense I did many air refulings and I really do like getting those logged.

 

So, the session was over. I exited the MP event and went to DCS homescreen.

 

And yes...

 

You guessed it...

 

There it was...

 

That utterly stupid...

 

You have committed fratricide!

And I lost all my points.. (so reverted the logbook.lua to the previous version of the file, still lost many points and many air refulings..)

 

What do you think about this fratricide feature?

 

Imo it could work if the Court-martial was any good. But he ain't! He is like Judge Dredd on every drug that exists!

 

[71st_Mastiff]

Yea that Slomo drug looks interesting..:yay:

[SkateZilla]

Dont commit fratricide then.

[NoCarrier]

In my experience, DCS is pretty mild on the whole fratricide thing, only dinging you for it when you've truly screwed a buddy. I remember that in Falcon you could be court-martialed for running over runway signage. Even when you took a SAM up the tailpipe while still bringing in the jet back against all odds, veering off the runway because it took full left aileron so as not to roll inverted 200 feet over the runway and die a horribly fiery death.

 

Yes, I'm still bitter.

[JHzlwd]

It is certainly a downer to be accused of fratricide but reality is reality. Years ago I believe it was "Strike Commander" where they would haul you off to the courts martial and I *really* hated that. In DCS all they do is take away your medals.

 

I find the possibility of being demoted has made me more careful which is probably a good thing.

[Essah]

why do you even care about your single player rating? o.O

[HiJack]

why do you even care about your single player rating? o.O

 

Because it's there. What do you use it for?

[aceviper]

Recently leading a flight of 4 Su33 landing on the Kunetsov,I trapped first folded wings and parked in the first slot only to see my wingman trap and proceed to try and park right on top of me...it was comical.He went on fire and sank into the deck.Ending the mission the dreaded fratricide came up....alt tabbed out...ended the processes and cleared out the temp folder and voila fratricide gone.

[pii]

Dont commit fratricide then.

 

Easier said than done.

I had a wingman take off behind me and ran right up my tail pipe and blew us both to pieces. Guess who committed fratricide? Yeah me :mad:

I guess I should have had my flashers on so the dumdass knew I wasn't moving. :doh:

Basically anytime you are involved n killing a freindly even if its not your fault you get the blame. :pilotfly::joystick:

[gavagai]

I got the fratricide smackdown while merely testing a mission I'm working on. Seems like something that should be reserved for more official stuff than the editor.:joystick:

[jarrhead]

I got that notice for a bug today. I dropped two bombs out of my P-51D and committed fratricide on one of my bombs.. SERIOUS?

[OttoPus]

Oh lol it happens all the times in Georgian Oil War campaign: simply accomplish your 2 hours sortie killing all the enemy tanks, land in Batumi, park at the parking spot, wait a minute, then another aicraft spawns right where you are.

 

Obviously the two ac get in pieces.

 

Then you committed fratricide, not the AI-spawning thing. YOU.

 

lol :D

[Jinja]

I think these are good and valid points, there aren't many benefits to the system...

 

Possibly fratricide should only be dished out if guns/missiles were used.

[Evil.Bonsai]

I must be playing wrong. I've only committed fratricide maybe 3 times in the three years or so I've been playing.

 

1. Stay away from any AI planes, friend or foe. They will kill you.

2. Never land at a base you didn't take off from and park on the ramp. It could be a spawn point for AI

3. Never land at your own base and park on ramp. Unless you know very specifically which parking spot you spawned at. Even then, I wouldn't risk it. Just land, pull over to a taxi way, hit esc and quit.

[Kuky]

I've killed friendlies in SP also.... on purpose :D

[blackbelter]

I just committed fratricide... on purpose... :joystick:

 

I was practising AAR in Su-33 (second time practising this for me, with a history of 100% failure, fyi). The tanker in front of me was changing altitude every few minutes, right before I can line up for the final approach. After half an hour of trying and failure, I was too annoyed to let this tanker fly around before me, so I gunned it down... without knowing the consequences... :mad:

 

Then I found that, this mission, which I downloaded here in this forum, was designed such that the tanker changes its altitude from 7000m to 4000m over a distance of about 300km :doh:... which explained everything.

 

In the end I didn't success in AAR today. But after the modifying the mission, I got everything under control, and was very close to a success... but it's already close to midnight. Happy enough for me. Will try again tomorrow.:D

 

Cya

Edited December 29, 2013 by blackbelter

[Scrim]

Accidentally flew into one of my bombs shortly after dropping it, got fratricide. Laughed, because, who gives a hoot?

[Davis0079]

I commit fratricide on myself when ppl aren't looking....its a cry for attention....thats why i do it when they aren't looking...oh...and I like to wear mascara cuz it makes me look cool when I cry....

[Aratahu]

I just committed fratricide. By active pausing my freshly updated 1.27 it straight after creating an instant mission, and whilst looking up the button layout of my Warthog HOTAS (working on figuring out SPI etc) on my laptop.

 

I look up, and see my wingman flying straight into me. Boom.

 

Then the message. Harsh.

 

I guess I'll just delete my profile and start afresh..

Edited January 26, 2014 by Aratahu
HTOAS -> HOTAS

[Serp Supreme]

Oh yes, I'm sure that the vast majority of us who have tried AAR have committed fratricide :D

[rud]

If you commit fratricide don't you just abandon the points for the mission where you had friendly fire? I've never noticed "losing" anything I did last week because of friendly fire I did today, then again I don't pay attention to the logbook very closely.

[Home Fries]

I agree that fratricide should at least involve weapons, ruling out collisions.

[EchoBravo]

So this just happened to me, it looked as if while dropping a bomb, it exploded on my rack and then This message popped up... Fratricide...

[NineLine]

So this just happened to me, it looked as if while dropping a bomb, it exploded on my rack and then This message popped up... Fratricide...

 

Instead, the game should reward a Darwin Award :)

 

[BitMaster]

Rofl