Hurricane

[Brigg]

Double post

Edited January 27, 2017 by Brigg

[Brigg]

From a recent research trip....

 

Awesome Pman :thumbup: Since this is going well, what about the fw190 a8/f8 :)

[Pman]

Awesome Pman :thumbup: Since this is going well, what about the fw190 a8/f8 :)

 

All in good time, we are working on something else from the Hawker Stable at the moment

 

Pman

[Krupi]

All in good time, we are working on something else from the Hawker Stable at the moment

 

Pman

 

Ohhh!! What?

[NineLine]

The later models need to be a thing now in dcs and would fit nicely in this era.

 

Please!

[Coxy_99]

Exactly Sith perfect for opening panzers :)

[Angelthunder]

While i want to see the Hawker Hurricane Mk1/2 series and the Sea Hurricane in DCS.I'm afraid we won't see one for a very long time.:(

[andremsmv]

A Hurricane in Normandy 1944? no

 

A Tempest? yes

[Talisman_VR]

A Hurricane in Normandy 1944? no

 

A Tempest? yes

 

Very much agree with you. :thumbup: Especially since we have the Messerschmitt aircraft company represented by the late war series 109-k and the Focke-Wulf aircraft company represented by the late war series 109 Dora, it would be consistent and sensible to have the Hawker aircraft company represented by the late war series Tempest V. I think that would make good sense all round. :) Bearing in mind that we also have the North American Aviation company represented by the late war series P51D (soon to be European theatre model).

 

It would be great to have aircraft competing on a joined up technological time line representing all of our great historical aircraft companies for our digital combat simulations. :)

 

Happy landings,

 

 

P.S. Me 262 on the way soon too. :)

[westr]

I would like to see the Mustang III variant for the RAF if possible. Love the Hurricane and would love to see it with appropriate era units.

[Coxy_99]

As much as i agree with everyone here and i do, Ill leave this here:

 

14,533 Hawker Hurricane fighters were produced throughout the Second World War and many have participated in air operations during the Battle of Normandy from June 5 to August 29, 1944.

[westr]

With the current crop of aircraft and a theatre of operations concentrating on the latter stages of WWII I would argue as well that the De Haviland Mosquito would be an appropriate big hitter for the British side of operations. Two excellent American aircraft in the P-51 and the P-47 three for Germany with the 190 109 and Me262. With the introduction of the Mosquito it became the answer to the prayers of the RAF who's operations changed drastically after the Battle of Britain and started to concentrate over occupied Europe. Such an incredible aircraft with the range and versatility to perform a number of roles and boy would it be fun to fly in DCS with that row of cannons in the belly and machine guns in the nose, as well as being different from what we already have. The downside being with a complex flight model and twin engines and obviously more complex engine management, it would probably be more effort than any developer would be prepared to put in.

Edited October 30, 2017 by westr

[philstyle]

As much as i agree with everyone here and i do, Ill leave this here:

14,533 Hawker Hurricane fighters were produced throughout the Second World War and many have participated in air operations during the Battle of Normandy from June 5 to August 29, 1944.

 

If intended to argue that the Hurricane "belongs" in the Normandy theatre in any kind of combat role, this (referenced) quote is a misleading at best. The hurri was only used during the Normandy campaign as a mail delivery aircraft by No. 1697 (Air Despatch Letter Service) Flight.

Source: Hawker Hurricane: and Sea Hurricane, By Martin Derry, Neil Robinson

Livery:

 

 

Furthermore:

"The IID was not the only Hurricane to carry the 40 mm S gun. The Hurricane IV, of which over five hundred were built, was introduced in 1943 as a specialised ground attack variant. A more powerful engine enabled more armour to be fitted and it had a "universal wing", designed to take various armament options including the S gun or rocket projectiles (RPs); the changeover could be made by five men in about forty minutes. Most saw service overseas but three squadrons based in England (Nos. 137, 164 and 184) were equipped with this aircraft.

 

Official British reports during 1943 concerning the effectiveness of the armament options for the Hurricane IV make interesting reading. The 40 mm gun was seen as the precision weapon, usable against smaller targets such as locomotives and tanks, while the RPs were thought to be more effective against shipping. It was recommended that all Hurricane IVs should normally be issued fitted with the S gun, with conversion kits for RPs provided, and that squadrons should employ both variants, with different flights being equipped with RPs or S guns. Operations were conducted by 11 Group over France and against coastal shipping, and both guns and RPs were evidently considered satisfactory.

 

In June 1943 the RAF's order of preference in weapons for use against tanks was given as: 1st 40 mm S gun; 2nd 20 mm cannon with Mk III AP ammunition; 3rd RP with 25 lb AP head; 4th RP with 60 lb HE head; 5th .50" Browning HMG; 6th 9 lb AT bomb. Only the first three of these were considered to be serious anti-tank weapons. Some comment on these preferences is necessary. The 20 mm AP Mk III, as mentioned in Chapter 1, was a tungsten-cored round of considerable performance which was, in the end, not adopted. The RP with 25 lb AP head could penetrate 70-80 mm, which compensated to some extent for its lack of accuracy. The RP with 60 lb HE head was discounted against tanks as it could only penetrate 25 mm, but this assessment rather underestimated the cataclysmic effect of detonating such a large charge against a tank.

 

The 9 lb AT bomb, jovially known as "Puffball", used a squash-head rather than a HEAT design and a fighter-bomber was expected to carry twenty-four of them, to be released in one diving pass at low altitude. Despite the success of similar (but smaller) Soviet and German weapons, Puffball proved unsatisfactory due to sympathetic detonations in mid-air (the explosion of the first hits setting off the others) and significant damage from blast and debris being suffered by the carrying aircraft. The 40 mm S gun, 20 mm AP Mk III and 25 lb AP were all considered capable of dealing with the German Mk IV tank and it seemed that the S gun-equipped Hurricane Mk IV would have a part to play in the forthcoming invasion of Europe. Despite this, all Hurricanes were withdrawn from European service in March 1944, just three months before D-day."

 

Source: 'Flying Guns - World War 2: Development of Aircraft Guns, Ammunition and Installations 1933-45' by Emmanuel Gustin and Tony Williams

 

The last combat squadrons in the western theater to use the hurricane were 164 and 184, both of the 2nd TAF. They were replaced by Typhoons in March.

Source: Hurricane Squadrons, Part 1, By Philip Birtles

[King Cobra]

Very much agree with you. :thumbup: Especially since we have the Messerschmitt aircraft company represented by the late war series 109-k and the Focke-Wulf aircraft company represented by the late war series 109 Dora, it would be consistent and sensible to have the Hawker aircraft company represented by the late war series Tempest V. I think that would make good sense all round. :) Bearing in mind that we also have the North American Aviation company represented by the late war series P51D (soon to be European theatre model).

 

It would be great to have aircraft competing on a joined up technological time line representing all of our great historical aircraft companies for our digital combat simulations. :)

 

Happy landings,

 

 

P.S. Me 262 on the way soon too. :)

 

As cool as it would be to have a Tempest, I think it will be like how the P-47 is today and just not have enough information available to make a complete module... if you look at Kermits videos about his Tempest 2 and 5 restoration projects they have been dealing with a lack of needed information to complete key areas in their restoration progress. We can all hope though.

[Talisman_VR]

As cool as it would be to have a Tempest, I think it will be like how the P-47 is today and just not have enough information available to make a complete module... if you look at Kermits videos about his Tempest 2 and 5 restoration projects they have been dealing with a lack of needed information to complete key areas in their restoration progress. We can all hope though.

 

That is a great restoration project, I have been following it :)

If they ever get that Tempest V flying, before I am in my box, I would like to fly to the good old USA to see it.

 

P.S. Some information can be gleaned from the Sea Fury, since the Tempest was the basis for that aircraft. If I remember correctly, at one time one of the 3rd party developers was planning the Sea Fury for DCS, which would be nice (historical) for a Korea scenario.

 

Happy landings,

 

56RAF_Talisman

[Mr_sukebe]

I can't help but think that a Hurricane would be interesting in PVE, but utterly pointless in PVP. It is after all utterly outclassed by the later water 109s and 190s, so would frankly be just target practice in PVP.

[Coxy_99]

As DCS is sandbox simulation, I dont see the problem personally, I mean even the yak-52 would make great target practice to :smilewink: Its only a suggestion and something a little British to the world of DCS :)

[Buzzles]

I can't help but think that a Hurricane would be interesting in PVE, but utterly pointless in PVP. It is after all utterly outclassed by the later water 109s and 190s, so would frankly be just target practice in PVP.

 

Airquake isn't the only game mode for PvP you know.

 

There's a lot you can do with scoring systems online, eg Red vs Blue team based missions.

 

Hurricanes go rack up points doing A2G, Spitfires get points doing A2A and protecting the Hurricanes.

Red do the same with 109/190 and if we get one, a Stuka.

 

Team with the most points win.

[msalama]

Yah, I'd buy a Hurri IID tankbuster immediately, regardless of what kind of UFOs I'd be facing in Normandy. Cuz that plane just rocks. The bloody tin opener!