How impressive is DCS World 2 using VR (Oculus/Vive)

kingneptune117 · July 29, 2017

Hey all,

With the incredible Oculus Rift sale going on, I am considering getting one. I have a GTX 1080/i7, so hardware shouldn't be an issue for me I hope.

My questions is, how great is it compared to using normal TrackIR? I am looking for feedback on head tracking latency, smoothness, resolution, and of course, realism. Is it worth it? Can I expect a smooth experience with a GTX 1080 and i7?

Thanks!

dburne · July 29, 2017

No comparison to Track IR. True 1:1 positional tracking, and it works beautifully. My play area set up app 9 ft x 11 ft. I can turn all around, and move all around in this area and not have a glitch in my tracking.

The difference is like this - rather than looking at a game represented on your monitor, you are literally in the game with everything all around you and pretty much life sized. The immersion is absolutely incredible.

The downside is resolution, not going to be as sharp and crisp in this generation as what you get on your monitor. But for most folks that get one, the rest of the positives outweigh that and one quickly forgets it.

I purchased my Rift in January, and have not gamed on monitor or used Track IR since.

javelina1 · July 29, 2017

^^ what he said!

boedha68 · July 29, 2017

No comparison to Track IR. True 1:1 positional tracking, and it works beautifully. My play area set up app 9 ft x 11 ft. I can turn all around, and move all around in this area and not have a glitch in my tracking.

The difference is like this - rather than looking at a game represented on your monitor, you are literally in the game with everything all around you and pretty much life sized. The immersion is absolutely incredible.

The downside is resolution, not going to be as sharp and crisp in this generation as what you get on your monitor. But for most folks that get one, the rest of the positives outweigh that and one quickly forgets it.

I purchased my Rift in January, and have not gamed on monitor or used Track IR since.

+1 As always nice written Don. And euh... for me the same! It's the next step in gaming. I feel like real! " I am really fly that airplane, while i am in it" Rift user since 9 months. Everytime i have that WOW effect when i go for a round DCS..(and other games):D

Sabre-TLA · July 30, 2017

Agreed. Once you go VR you will never go back (even with the less than ideal resolution).

It's even more immersive if you have a pit with working switches. There is something awesome about reaching for the gear lever, actually grabbing it and having your gear come down in game.

All that's missing is the pilot animation to show your hand reaching for the gear lever (and that's coming with touch and other types of hand controllers). :thumbup:

Scooternutz · July 30, 2017

There is no way I could ever go back to a 2D screen. I have funds set aside just in case I break my Rift.

It is a completely immersive experience.

I have all the Saitek Panels and multiple DSD Boxes and after I a while I just know where everything is.

hansangb · July 30, 2017

nice! Which is the one left of the keyboard? The one with landing gear lights and lever?

FragBum · July 30, 2017

Sorry I can't compare to Track IR but wait till you have your first crash in Rift, am I right guys? :P

BrassEm · July 30, 2017

If you can afford it, I would do it. It really does put you inside the 3d pit. You will never be able to explain it until you have tried it. Don't expect crystal clear images like a 2d monitor though (at least not yet). It depends on whether you want to be IN the pit IN the simulation, but with some blur, or value a sharp image looking at a 2d monitor in the room your in.

Head and hand tracking is excellent (Oculus touch). Virtual hand switching is not implemented yet though. HOTAS does that for you at the moment. The only issue I have with my setup is object stutter when low down and looking at complex terrain objects left or right out of the cockpit. Head on is okay. (Mid range PC.)

Plus you get the VR experience with other software titles as well.

(Then try it with a g-Seat!!!)

Edited July 30, 2017 by BrassEm

JallieFR · July 30, 2017

VR today compare to a TIR config

is the same as before between a sim without the TIR and ...with !!!

It's just great ... that even with a triple screen config ; you will never play again with .

Your config is OK ... but with a 1080 ti ... i will be better TOP

You won't push the graphic sliders to the top ;)

some1 · July 30, 2017

Neither 1080 nor 1080 ti will allow to push all sliders to the top, but it's good enough.

As others have said, tracking works great, 3d works great, gameplay is a compromise because of poor resolution, but it's manageable. Some people can't go back, some do, I still enjoy playing other sims that don't support VR.

tintifaxl · July 30, 2017

When I tried Rift and Vice in December 2016 I was not overwhelmed and did not buy a set. For me resolution and fov were disappointing. But you should definitely give it a try.

NeilWillis · July 30, 2017

I'd definitely recommend VR to anyone using flight sim software these days.

The only caveat is that it will stretch your rig's performance, so you need to be very careful setting up the software parameters to suit or frame rates will suffer.

This situation in the Alpha release is of course under development, so it will improve over time as the software is optimised. At present, it seems to me to be pushed to the limit of a 970 Ti's capabilities, and the CPU is also being pushed hard. Nevertheless, it is still streets ahead of a 2D environment, and still worth the limitations.

Colmillo · July 30, 2017

My experience with the Oculus: I have a friend who told me a while ago, that the experience was really extraordinary. I regret not having listened to him a few months ago. My biggest fear of switching to virtual reality was to lose the magnificent graphics that I have with my computer.

I must be honest, you lose a lot in that, but you actually earn 1000%. The flight is emulated to perfection. I am a professional pilot, and I can tell you that I can even feel the g's (acquired by remembering reality).

So nothing more to add, is a 100% recommendable experience, it is worth investing in this type of viewers. I use the Oculus and recommend it.

Happy flights

Hawkeye60 · July 30, 2017

There is no way I could ever go back to a 2D screen. I have funds set aside just in case I break my Rift.

It is a completely immersive experience.

I have all the Saitek Panels and multiple DSD Boxes and after I a while I just know where everything is.
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Hey all,

With the incredible Oculus Rift sale going on, I am considering getting one. I have a GTX 1080/i7, so hardware shouldn't be an issue for me I hope.

My questions is, how great is it compared to using normal TrackIR? I am looking for feedback on head tracking latency, smoothness, resolution, and of course, realism. Is it worth it? Can I expect a smooth experience with a GTX 1080 and i7?

Thanks!

I recommend you sell your first, no.......

maybe your second born to buy one! :D

(That way they can not "Borrow your set up as well" LOL)

Just kidding.....Kinda!:megalol:

I can never go back!

Highly recommended!

Edited July 30, 2017 by Hawkeye60

Knock-Knock · July 30, 2017

Just tried a bit outside VR, using TrackIR, cause I have a crick in the neck. Sure its better for the neck, but after having done VR for so long (1 year), its just too strange, not natural, and disorientating. And I honestly dont think its that much easier to see stuff, spot etc, with monitor and TIR, once you are used to VR.

I actually found that not using TIR, and just HAT switch to change view, was more natural than using TIR now. Still very restricted, but I felt same restriction with and without TIR, compared to VR. VR is just natural, simplest way to put it. No tricking the brain.

kunterbunt · July 30, 2017

Cannot go back.

dburne · July 30, 2017

Yep, after over 6 months of flying with my Rift my Track IR5 software is uninstalled and the device is safely put away now.

It served me well over many years and a few iterations, but that is all behind me at this point.

sze5003 · July 31, 2017

I am a new rift owner myself. If anything I had to install track IR again to learn the mirage. But once I found d ot about VR zoom I can run pixel density at 2.0 and zoom in on the switches I want to read.

Totally worth it! Even if you don't like it which I'm sure you will, oculus has a lot of games that are worth playing.

I don't get nauseous in DCS but lone echo made me sick. It's a game where you are constantly floating in space and you actually have to push yourself off the game environments like panels and doors,et, duck to move around the spaceship as if you are in zero G.

Got sick for like an hour or two twice but the experience is awesome.

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dandealer · July 31, 2017

I was on VR wagon since oculus dk2 and one the the first things I tried was DCS.

Since then I simply cannot play without VR, It's like play in a cellphone after beeing flying in a simulator, you CAN do it but you WANT NOT to do, at least for so long.

VR its far from perfect but is another level, resolution its not that good and you will have to use zoom to read some indicators. but on the other side you will find yourself looking all the ways from the canopy, it's just natural, if you want to look left and up you just look left and up and if the enemy just croses tho the other side you just move your head as you would do IRL and that gives you more inmersion than 4k graphics in any kind of multi monitor setup.

I'm not a great pilot and VR had not made me better but I enjoy every flight I do now.

I use the vive now and had not testet oculus CV1, people that have both systems says that oculus its a bit crisper and now its almost at the same price that the TM hotas pack, as someone had said before if you can afford it its a must

rrohde · July 31, 2017

I'm not a great pilot and VR had not made me better but I enjoy every flight I do now.

I have to say that VR has improved my helicopter piloting skills quite a bit in a very short time.

VampireNZ · July 31, 2017

I have to say that VR has improved my helicopter piloting skills quite a bit in a very short time.

I'm attributing my improvement in helicopter piloting skills directly to my Gunfighter Pro :thumbup:

VR sure does make it way cooler too!

Fri13 · July 31, 2017

No comparison to Track IR. True 1:1 positional tracking, and it works beautifully. My play area set up app 9 ft x 11 ft. I can turn all around, and move all around in this area and not have a glitch in my tracking.

But many doesn't want a 1:1 tracking, they are happy for a TrackIR tracking where they don't need to be a chicken to see a rear, instead that they can just rotate head 45 degree and get a relaxed nice view (and with excellent realistic clarity and spotting compared to VR).

The difference is like this - rather than looking at a game represented on your monitor, you are literally in the game with everything all around you and pretty much life sized. The immersion is absolutely incredible.

Rift offers narrower field of view (just check it, launch a VR game with a hands like Robo Recall and then place your hands in arc as wide you can so you can see both hands, and then take off the Rift and check the angle you get.) than it is really marketed. Instead the feeling is like you would be having a scuba mask in head .

Yes the immersion is great comparing to 2D as all the elements "pop-up" but you will lose the real immersion to surroundings and to even cockpit panels, buttons, texts etc as they become very difficult to read and spot by a glance. This is the problem of the low resolution panels (and even with a Pixel Density 1.0-2.0. And it is the immersion killer as you can't just anymore identify a A-10 from a 1km distance as it looks too much general aircraft by shapes.

The downside is resolution, not going to be as sharp and crisp in this generation as what you get on your monitor. But for most folks that get one, the rest of the positives outweigh that and one quickly forgets it.

For flying alone and cockpit fancying it is true, but in combat you need to be able spot targets far, see their attitude toward you etc. When you can't even read the cockpit easily, it is total immersion killer. It is like you would wear a reading glasses even when you have perfect sight and you just are leaning forward to everything and trying to read what there is written.

I purchased my Rift in January, and have not gamed on monitor or used Track IR since.

I still use the TrackIR and 4K displays as it is somewhat far nicer to be able fly and operate. But that is not giving the immersion at all about altitude and "aircraft behavior" like VR does. But being able to actually study, train and learn the cockpits, operate the aircrafts and spot the targets to really do the military ops, it outweights the VR cockpit sitting experience.

I am waiting to see something like this:

https://www.technobuffalo.com/2016/08/28/eyeforce-kickstarter-virtual-reality-headset/

So we get that 210 FOV but that needs to come with at least 6K panel (4K panels so both eyes get own 4K) and more likely a 10K (5K panels for each eye) and then with a eye tracking technology so rendering can be only done at maximum detail to small area of display where you are looking, instead full display area.

Then I will totally say that TrackIR is gone and we can get the immersion of the combat operations.

And now excuse me.... I will jump back to Rift VR experience to fly night ops carrier landing in heavy storm.... :pilotfly:

Fri13 · July 31, 2017

I have to say that VR has improved my helicopter piloting skills quite a bit in a very short time.

THAT it really does. The TrackIR does it to handle the aircraft attitude, but it is no where near close the feedback the VR gives when needed to understand the distances and speed of elements so you can land and fly low so easily.

The Huey flying became far more easier than without VR, but the KA-50 is pretty much the same (must be something to do with the cockpit being anyways so small in BS.

pimp · July 31, 2017

Hey all,

With the incredible Oculus Rift sale going on, I am considering getting one. I have a GTX 1080/i7, so hardware shouldn't be an issue for me I hope.

My questions is, how great is it compared to using normal TrackIR? I am looking for feedback on head tracking latency, smoothness, resolution, and of course, realism. Is it worth it? Can I expect a smooth experience with a GTX 1080 and i7?

Thanks!

Here's my very own recent comparison/experience here:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3207513&postcount=1

I'm in love, literally.

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