not planned In-game difference between ALQ-184 and ALQ-184 long

[Linx]

Have you noticed any performance difference between the two ECM pods or is it purely cosmetical?

[Kilo]

Haven't exactly experimented with the performance, but the long pod is heavier.

[Northstar98]

AFAIK, the difference IRL is the addition of a low band module, allowing it to target longer wavelength/lower frequency RADARs.

RADAR frequency/wavelength/band isn't a thing in DCS (even as just a class), so I imagine the change is mostly cosmetic, besides the increased weight.

[Blinky.ben]

@BIGNEWY @NineLine @Wags is someone able to provide some more information about the new implementation of the new ALQ-184 long version? What’s the difference within DCS between the two versions other then visual. 
 

Thank you.

Edited January 28, 2022 by Blinky.ben

[Hobel]

The first tests have shown that there are no differences.

still.

it said this year there is a greater focus on ECM. think times to come more and then you corresponding videos of Wags

[Mr. Wilson]

I want to upset you even more... I tested it on the example of a battle with a new complex in the DCS S-200 SA-5 and as a result it became clear that the ECM does not help at all )) Short, long or without it, it will attack you the same way from 70-80 miles. 

I do not add the track file because it is very large.

[JesseJames38]

I had good Success of braking a lock multiple times from a mig-25.       Even after the Mig launched a missile it broke lock from the aircraft.

perhaps more tests need to happen with airborne radars

 

 

[Exorcet]

4 hours ago, Mr. Wilson said:

I want to upset you even more... I tested it on the example of a battle with a new complex in the DCS S-200 SA-5 and as a result it became clear that the ECM does not help at all )) Short, long or without it, it will attack you the same way from 70-80 miles. 

I do not add the track file because it is very large.

This is not true of all units. The F-16's ECM is indeed functional and can provide SAM protection. I have not found any difference between the 184's yet though.

[Furiz]

4 hours ago, Mr. Wilson said:

I want to upset you even more... I tested it on the example of a battle with a new complex in the DCS S-200 SA-5 and as a result it became clear that the ECM does not help at all )) Short, long or without it, it will attack you the same way from 70-80 miles. 

I do not add the track file because it is very large.

This is not true

it will lower SA-5 lock range significantly, its not a magic button that will just stop it from locking you at any range, as you come closer it becomes less and less effective.

[Bricux]

1 hour ago, Furiz said:

This is not true

it will lower SA-5 lock range significantly, its not a magic button that will just stop it from locking you at any range, as you come closer it becomes less and less effective.

For me in SA-2 test, missile firing range drop 20% for long pod compared to short. So I think there is a slight advantage of long one.

[nickos86]

I honestly don't understand why @BIGNEWY@NineLine or one of the DEVs simply don't answer this question... 

[BIGNEWY]

8 minutes ago, nickos86 said:

I honestly don't understand why @BIGNEWY@NineLine or one of the DEVs simply don't answer this question... 

I will ask the team. Be patient 

[Mr. Wilson]

4 часа назад, Furiz сказал:

This is not true

it will lower SA-5 lock range significantly, its not a magic button that will just stop it from locking you at any range, as you come closer it becomes less and less effective.

well I'll record the track in the future then) but I have an idea why your range has decreased... I think you set him a low level of intelligence. Write your exact loc and attack range data

[AlexCaboose]

I did a whole bunch of testing. Although there seems to be no difference in burn through range, the Long variant seemed to consistently break locks more quickly, perhaps allowing you to stay in the threat range for longer.

[C3PO]

What’s the weight penalty between the two? 

[Invisibull]

Around 100lbs

[Scofflaw]

When things like this are added, do they typically update the manual?  I'm really not complaining here; I'm usually excited to see new features and toys - I just feel like unless Wags makes a video, we have to figure some of these things out for ourselves.

I really appreciate the DCS community going out and testing these things.  You guys are much more patient than I am.

[AstonMartinDBS]

1 hour ago, Scofflaw said:

When things like this are added, do they typically update the manual? 

Obviously not. The F-16C Early Access Guide has been last updated on 24th October 2021.

[Invisibull]

4 hours ago, Scofflaw said:

When things like this are added, do they typically update the manual?  I'm really not complaining here; I'm usually excited to see new features and toys - I just feel like unless Wags makes a video, we have to figure some of these things out for ourselves.

I really appreciate the DCS community going out and testing these things.  You guys are much more patient than I am.

I asked nineline about this last night on discord and he said they’re working on updating it as far as he knows.  Totally agree that with the amount of new features,  letting the manual go by the wayside since October really isn’t acceptable.  

[Mr. Wilson]

10 часов назад, AlexCaboose сказал:

I did a whole bunch of testing. Although there seems to be no difference in burn through range, the Long variant seemed to consistently break locks more quickly, perhaps allowing you to stay in the threat range for longer.

Have you tested with SAM S-200 (SA-5)  ?

[AlexCaboose]

3 hours ago, Mr. Wilson said:

Have you tested with SAM S-200 (SA-5)  ?

No. Not with the long version at least. I was testing against an SA-11 with snowdrift, and an SA-15.

[- Sonic -]

I took a flight a few days ago on Lima Kilo server...seem Long ECM pod also for me break lock more quickly and more effectively; two times a couple of MIG-25 have serious trouble to lock me also at 40-60 nm (more or less)

[Mike5560]

I would think the SA-2 would be a good unit test, it operates at a lower band even than the SA-5; E/F/G band vs H.

[Blinky.ben]

2 hours ago, Mike5560 said:

I would think the SA-2 would be a good unit test, it operates at a lower band even than the SA-5; E/F/G band vs H.

I haven’t heard of DCS simulating different frequencies for radar. Is this the case?

[Northstar98]

27 minutes ago, Blinky.ben said:

I haven’t heard of DCS simulating different frequencies for radar. Is this the case?

It doesn't, RADAR operating frequency isn't a thing in DCS (even as purely as a class) and you can treat all RADARs/ECM systems as being on single frequency.