DCS Newsletter discussion 7th October 2022 - Normandy 2 | MB-339 Development report

[Dragon1-1]

Also, isn't the Channel the area circa 1942, while Normandy is 1944? I'm not familiar with either, but AFAIK there would be some differences.

[Hotdognz]

We run 2 servers who uses both The Channel and Normandy for MP missions will I also have Normandy 2 as well or will it replace Normandy ??

 

[Art-J]

^ It's up to you. Normandy 2 is going to be a separate module, so there's nothing stopping you from having all three installed on your server rather than replacing the old map. Keep in mind, however, what DD_Fenrir noted and I agree with him. If Syria example is anything to go by, Normandy 2 will most likely also be a resource hog and some servers will probably still use older Normandy or Channel for some missions because of performance reasons.

Edited October 7, 2022 by Art-J

[DD_Fenrir]

39 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Also, isn't the Channel the area circa 1942, while Normandy is 1944? I'm not familiar with either, but AFAIK there would be some differences.

No. 

Channel is also a 1944 map if the layout of Manston is used as a benchmark. However, it can be representative of some mid-late 1943 scenarios.

[fantomk]

With the Normandy 2 map on the horizon, we need more WWII AI airplanes and warships.

[Beirut]

7 hours ago, Raviar said:

I have Both Maps, and 10USD is nothing to discuss about BUT I believe it is not fair ! the business model is not what I expected, its not about money or price tag its about strategy! are we going to see Syria2, PG2, Nevada2, Sinai2, Pen2 ... F-5_2, Hornet2 ?! thats the question 

 

 

I have to be honest and say that would be absolutely fine with me. It's not like the older/original versions become unplayable, just that newer fancier versions would become available. And if the cost of the new version is discounted for owners of the original version, great! I am looking forward to the BlackShark 3 more than any other module (maybe) and I like that I'm going to get a solid discount. I have zero complaints about that. New toys cost new money. And if I'm getting cutting edge flighsim goodness, I'm happy to pay. 

 

F-5 V2 and Nevada V2? Take my money! 

 

[NineLine]

3 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

Yes, it would be awesome to have all of reflected campaigns on one map. Also if you feel bad for Reflected,  you could fix the Spitfire over-cooling problem, he mentioned in one of his vidoes. That would probably save him some headaches.

The Spitfire is still waiting to have the new cooling added, so it should be coming I hope.

1 hour ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Also, isn't the Channel the area circa 1942, while Normandy is 1944? I'm not familiar with either, but AFAIK there would be some differences.

I think to pin one specific time on a map is tough. We try and give enough interesting stuff to be able to allow Mission Creators to have their way with it. So sometimes you need to suspend belief if a ALG or other object is somewhere that it shouldnt be for your current mission.

[Hotdognz]

1 hour ago, Art-J said:

^ It's up to you. Normandy 2 is going to be a separate module, so there's nothing stopping you from having all three installed on your server rather than replacing the old map. Keep in mind, however, what DD_Fenrir noted and I agree with him. If Syria example is anything to go by, Normandy 2 will most likely also be a resource hog and some servers will probably still use older Normandy or Channel for some missions because of performance reasons.

 

We wont have a choice the dedicated server downloads every map.

[NineLine]

1 hour ago, Art-J said:

^ It's up to you. Normandy 2 is going to be a separate module, so there's nothing stopping you from having all three installed on your server rather than replacing the old map. Keep in mind, however, what DD_Fenrir noted and I agree with him. If Syria example is anything to go by, Normandy 2 will most likely also be a resource hog and some servers will probably still use older Normandy or Channel for some missions because of performance reasons.

 

Normandy 2 wont really be a separate module in that if you fire up a server with Normandy 2 someone with Normandy 1 will be able to join. Unless I miss your meaning. 

[twistking]

@NineLine will the new Normandy map borrow from and build upon the channel map's topo and assets (where they overlap), or will new Normandy's rendition be a completely new re-imagination of the area so to speak? Will The Channel still be sold after Normandy 2 releases? If the quality of the topo and assets were the same for both maps, there would be no reason to pick the smaller one. If the topo and assets were different, it would lead to the extremely akward situation of having the same area depicted in different levels of quality.

[sthompson]

3 hours ago, Hiob said:

Hi @NineLine, now you got me a little confused. A square from London to Paris also covers the area of the channel map as well. And the promo pictures clearly show details from that area, too. So I figured, regardless of the name, the new map will cover both legacy areas. No?

Although the maps are rectangular the detailed areas are not. Have you tried flying over Crimea on the Caucuses map? There isn't anything there.

[Woogey]

For me I would prefer to have a complete merger of the two existing maps, so that I only have the one map after I hit install.   NineLine has stated that it’s unclear at this time how the assets will be managed and what the implementation will look like in its completed form.  
 

I wish people would read through all the comments before they post questions because a lot of times you’ll find the answer you seek without wasting your energy. 
 

-Woog

[Beirut]

Has anyone offered a suggestion as to how to better use the forum in order to avoid wasting energy? 

 

Maybe I didn't read through all the comments before posting my question. Perhaps there was an answer. 

[Rudel_chw]

1 hour ago, Beirut said:

Has anyone offered a suggestion as to how to better use the forum in order to avoid wasting energy? 

 

I have not seen any, but I can offer you my own if you'd like:

a) Only inspect threads on aspects of DCS you are really interested, on my case those are mainly threads on Mission Editing, User Mods, and the aircrafts I'm currently flying, tough I also inspect news threads, like this one, and some bugs threads on subjects I know a bit about.

b) Once a thread has run its course, say after 3-4 pages, be sure to "unfollow" it.

c) Add people you don't care about, to your ignore list

d) Avoid threads on subjects you are not really interested in, on my case those are mainly wishlist threads and multiplayer threads.

 

1 hour ago, Beirut said:

Maybe I didn't read through all the comments before posting my question. Perhaps there was an answer. 

 

Didn't saw any question from you , only comments and views 

Edited October 8, 2022 by Rudel_chw

[Beirut]

48 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

 

I have not seen any, but I can offer you my own if you'd like:

a) Only inspect threads on aspects of DCS you are really interested, on my case those are mainly threads on Mission Editing, User Mods, and the aircrafts I'm currently flying, tough I also inspect news threads, like this one, and some bugs threads on subjects I know a bit about.

b) Once a thread has run its course, say after 3-4 pages, be sure to "unfollow" it.

c) Add people you don't care about, to your ignore list

d) Avoid threads on subjects you are not really interested in, on my case those are mainly wishlist threads and multiplayer threads.

 

 

Didn't saw any question from you , only comments and views 

 

 

I think you may have missed the bit of fun I was having with that post. 

[Rudel_chw]

1 hour ago, Beirut said:

 

I think you may have missed the bit of fun I was having with that post. 

 

Yeah, sorry, my english isn't good enough to catch humorous posts 

[Beirut]

Just now, Rudel_chw said:

 

Yeah, sorry, my english isn't good enough to catch humorous posts 

 

Not at all, my friend. Just happy you are here. 

[Cowboy10uk]

18 hours ago, NineLine said:

There is no info right now if the details from the Channel map will be added to Normandy 2.0, right now only ownership of the Channel benefits your discount price, not the content. When we have an answer on that we will share.

As for Campaigns, our hope is they will be compatible with little to no work, poor Reflected works hard enough as it is. 

Is this the sim for campaigns currently on BOTH the Channel and Normandy maps, since the new Normandy map will cover both of these areas, OR will this just be for current Normandy campaigns as it is technically only the Normandy map that’s getting redone? 
 

Reflected Campaigns are the best, but I would hate to have to have multiple maps for the same area installed just to play them.  Hard drive space is getting low as it is.

[ThorBrasil]

@NineLine Will the Normandy 1 and Channel maps stop being sold?

Edited October 8, 2022 by ThorBrasil

[cordite]

You mean will Normandy 1 stop being sold.

Normandy 2 is expanding the terrain it covers, but the Channel remains as a separate map.

[ThorBrasil]

1 hour ago, cordite said:

You mean will Normandy 1 stop being sold.

Normandy 2 is expanding the terrain it covers, but the Channel remains as a separate map.

From what I understand the Normandy 2 map is a Normandy 1 + Channel + Expansion map.

[cordite]

Just from reading the staff responses thus far, I don't get that impression at all.

[Rudel_chw]

1 hour ago, ThorBrasil said:

From what I understand the Normandy 2 map is a Normandy 1 + Channel + Expansion map.

 

Channel is a different Map ... its only relationship to Normandy 2 is that its ownership gives you an extra discount.

[Jayhawk1971]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb ThorBrasil:

From what I understand the Normandy 2 map is a Normandy 1 + Channel + Expansion map.

After the initial confusion, my understanding is that Ugra's (a third party developer) Normandy 2 will greatly enhance Normandy 1, both in detail and in scale. So Normandy 2 is potentially a replacement for Normandy (depending on performance, I suppose).

The Channel map is developed "in house" by ED, therefore has nothing to with Normandy. However, there is speculation that the enhanced scale of Normandy 2 may include the same area that the Channel map covers, so Normandy 2 may or may not render the Channel map somewhat redundant. 

Note that even if Normandy 2 would include the exact same area as the Channel map, that does not necessarily mean it would be as detailed, or look the same or better. Also, ED may have plans for a future extension of the Channel map as well (even if they don't know that they will have those plans yet ).

 

[ThorBrasil]

1 hour ago, Jayhawk1971 said:

After the initial confusion, my understanding is that Ugra's (a third party developer) Normandy 2 will greatly enhance Normandy 1, both in detail and in scale. So Normandy 2 is potentially a replacement for Normandy (depending on performance, I suppose).

The Channel map is developed "in house" by ED, therefore has nothing to with Normandy. However, there is speculation that the enhanced scale of Normandy 2 may include the same area that the Channel map covers, so Normandy 2 may or may not render the Channel map somewhat redundant. 

Note that even if Normandy 2 would include the exact same area as the Channel map, that does not necessarily mean it would be as detailed, or look the same or better. Also, ED may have plans for a future extension of the Channel map as well (even if they don't know that they will have those plans yet ).

 

I believe ED partnered with Ugra to bring the two maps together and expand it. In the future we will find out. The important thing is that I will buy the Normandy 2.