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2 minutes ago, nessuno0505 said:

Is there already a plan in case negotiations fail? That would be interesting to know.

Thats a very good question!

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6 minutes ago, nessuno0505 said:

Is there already a plan in case negotiations fail? That would be interesting to know.

This is the key question, as far as I'm concerned. The F-15E is far from finished, and without continuing support, liable to break at some point. I paid ED for it, with the expectation of continuing development and support. As far as I'm concerned, until I receive an assurance from ED that if negotiations fail, and such development and support not be forthcoming, I will receive compensation, I will not be purchasing any further ED products.

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10 minutes ago, nessuno0505 said:

Is there already a plan in case negotiations fail? That would be interesting to know.

That question will be unresolved meanwhile the negotiations has on progress, aka "Miranda Warning".

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Today's Newsletter.  My eyes could deceive me, but it would appear Raz has not abandoned ED.  I think everyone was on the same page letting the two squash differences internally and carry on with development afterwards.  Looks to be the case.  When you go to the strip club, don't ask questions, just throw the money and enjoy the show.

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Entirely different team doing SA map

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2 hours ago, rob10 said:

I get that you want information, but I would ask what would you like them to say?  "We're still in negotiations with Razbam and we're hopeful for a positive outcome"?  They've said that.  Not sure what more they *could* say.  I would think on legal grounds that lawyers on both sides would strongly advise both parties that they say more than that.  They're not likely to EVER lay out the details of the dispute publicly because that's likely covered by confidentially agreements of some sort.  So what they've said/are saying is probably literally all they can say until negotiations fail completely or come to a positive resolution.

After almost 2 months of silence, saying something to the community would be very appreciated.

We're "making their dreams come true" as NG from ED said many times.

I feel like I'm left to a side. I want to know what will happen with the Razbam modules, and specifically what will happen with the F-15E, it only received 6 months of updates since release and we don't have any module update since February.

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Could the ED team maybe clarify if talks between ED and RB are at least ongoing, both ways? (In order to put some annoying, recent rumors to rest)

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6 hours ago, Flia said:

Thats a very good question!

I believe after the VEAO drama that ED crafted that they ultimately own the 3D models and software in case the 3rd party backs out so the module can -at least- be updated to current specs to make it compatible with future patches...but barring whether or not they can get another 3rd party modder to finish the model or ED finish it themselves is the only thing really up for debate.

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Yeah any update on ongoing conversations would be reassuring.

BTW, we start to see elements not correctly working in the F15E with new updates, just opened a bug report because the new fuze options are not selectable for anything added to the Left and right CFT hardpoints, so basically you are left with underwing and centerline station if you need to change fuze setting etc.

 

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buyed a week ago,I support the jet !hard work/good work 

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10 ore fa, Hammer1-1 ha scritto:

after the VEAO drama

Different scenario IMHO: ED takes the files if the 3rd party bankrupts or fails. A 3rd party actively deciding to leave is a completely different case.

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18 hours ago, Devil 505 said:

Today's Newsletter.  My eyes could deceive me, but it would appear Raz has not abandoned ED.  I think everyone was on the same page letting the two squash differences internally and carry on with development afterwards.  Looks to be the case.  When you go to the strip club, don't ask questions, just throw the money and enjoy the show.

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The answer you can find the page before, also the same post. This is no hope.

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5 hours ago, nessuno0505 said:

Different scenario IMHO: ED takes the files if the 3rd party bankrupts or fails. A 3rd party actively deciding to leave is a completely different case.

 

no, same scenario. If Razbam leaves and ED retains the files, they can offer up and contract another 3rd party to finish the work if ED cant. Nobody can stop Razbam from leaving once they finish their obligations barring what you mentioned.

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An f-15e completed by Heatblur, specialized in two-seaters, a dream...

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So many assumptions and saying things for granted. As if ED or another 3rd party could continue a module made from another developer in a few minutes when we don't even have an official announcement in 2 months.

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RB once said ED does not have their core files. But even if they had access to the files, ED already has a long queue of half-finished modules, it's unrealistic they can take the burden of m2k, av-8b, mig-19 and f-15e. Maybe they could pass them to another 3rd party (a completely new one since all the existing already have their work), but I don't believe this is possible; it's more likely RB keeps its projects and port them to another simulator, even a civil one.

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vor einer Stunde schrieb nessuno0505:

 it's more likely RB keeps its projects and port them to another simulator, even a civil one.

 

Sure… they had the F-15E already for another civ. Sim and it took them only 12 years to „port“ it to DCS. Sounds pretty easy to „switch“ the games with their modules… 

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I am hoping to get the answer from ED. Right now if a developer leaves DCS, would we be SOL? Would ED take over their modules or could another developer do so? For example if Razbam dropped could Heatblur potentially take over the Strike Eagle? 

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We don't know.  

However, we do know that after the Hawk by VEAO, that there were changes made to the contract to "mitigate" a developer leaving ... speculation of controls includes putting the "code" (which in other contracts i have seen also includes documentation and source etc... ) into escrow, so that in theory ED could pick up the development, in the event that a developer  "leaves"  someone else could pick up the code... 

That requires a big lift to pick up something that complex, and is likely to be resource heavy to get up to speed, etc... so it's not like putting a lego block onto a pile ... 

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As posted in the other thread, ED has no intention to take over and continue development of 3rd party module if the original developer ceases the support. Chizh and other ED team memebers made it pretty clear on the Russian forum. Regardless of whether Razbam issue gets resolved or not, that seems to be the current stance about all 3rd parties and it's not much different to how it works with MSFS, Xplane or even Steam itself.

Translation: https://forum-dcs-world.translate.goog/topic/317495-dcs-f-15e-strike-eagle-ot-razbam/page/30/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true

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10 minutes ago, some1 said:

As posted in the other thread, ED has no intention to take over and continue development of 3rd party module if the original developer ceases the support. Chizh and other ED team memebers made it pretty clear on the Russian forum. Regardless of whether Razbam issue gets resolved or not, that seems to be the current stance about all 3rd parties and it's not much different to how it works with MSFS, Xplane or even Steam itself.

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That is a side of ED I have never come across or thought existed very blunt indeed.

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