waiting for resolution RAZBAM Situation Post Archive (will be deleted)

[Oban]

2 minutes ago, msi1411 said:

Understood, but I am a bit confused what is the purpose of this thread then?

To point fingers and get upset at each other like every thread created since this drama unfolded.

[Nightdare]

49 minutes ago, msi1411 said:

This is of course valid, but then it's sad ED chose a risky method of pressure that jeopardized the trust of the customers and other 3rd parties.

 

Because losing IP protection is more dangerous for the entireity of DCS

Now 'we' might lose Razbam, how would you feel if the entire catalogue just went bust?

NO 3rd parties making money anymore, NO customers having ANY modules

49 minutes ago, msi1411 said:

Razbam, according to them, never saw any money from the Strike Eagle sales, so the dispute is at least going on since its release, maybe even longer.

Why did ED accept the Strike Eagle and sold it in the first place then?

 

Because matter hadn't escalated beyond the point of breaking

This is business, not a family feud

 

49 minutes ago, msi1411 said:

They could have terminated their contract with Razbam instead for example. It wouldn't have affected other modules.

 

That depends on what was signed when, It wouldn't be a good move to terminate existing contracts for any party

 

49 minutes ago, msi1411 said:

Let me rephrase it: Why accepting a new product from a party, while such party is in violation of a contract?

 

Again, this is business, not Prince Arguin calling King Derrick's daughter fat, emotions are to be left out of the picture

If you spend some more time in corporate environment, you'll find that disputes are very common

[Ramsay]

AFAIK ED failed to pass on RB's share from DCS Aircraft sales and strung RB along promising payment "soon"

2 hours ago, Nightdare said:

No they didn't

They actively withheld payment to force RB to acquiesce to their demands

You make it sound like ED had some sinister plot to disadvantage RB for the fun of it without RB catching on

AFAIK this is disputed by the two parties and you can choose who to believe.

AFAIK some unpaid work is still done by RB's artist(s) and coder(s)

2 hours ago, Nightdare said:

Says who?

The dev(s) who delivered the most recent M-2000C patch that broke the PCM/Jammer warning as ED had cherry picked parts of RB's submitted patch i.e. parts of the VTB display depended on new code and vice versa.

[msi1411]

24 minutes ago, Nightdare said:

Now 'we' might lose Razbam, how would you feel if the entire catalogue just went bust?

NO 3rd parties making money anymore, NO customers having ANY modules

"you are assuming to much, "

[Nightdare]

1 hour ago, Ramsay said:

AFAIK this is disputed by the two parties and you can choose who to believe.

 

I choose the party that so far handled this professionally and with plausibility, instead of the party that dropped a bomb in public crying victim without any context and ran off without another word

 

1 hour ago, Ramsay said:

The dev(s) who delivered the most recent M-2000C patch

 

Were these the RB Devs or ED devs with the sourcecode? Because the M2000 is a finished module, as such AFAIK, no work would be done by the 3rd party, just upkeep by ED

Also,... which latest patch? because the last time the M-2000 is mentioned in the changelog is Februari 22 2024, which is prior to the dispute

 

 

50 minutes ago, msi1411 said:

"you are assuming to much, "

 

What would you think happens if Eagle Dynamics falls down? Sure, you can be sure there are no RB modules anymore, but it's neither an "assumption" that there would be any modules available anymore, but a guarantee

 

Now, tell me:

Someone is abusing your IP, are you gonna sit on your ass and "assume" everything will turn out just fine?

...Or do you take action before things get out of control and everyone can rob the dying corpse that is the remains of your company?

 

[Oban]

1 hour ago, msi1411 said:

"you are assuming to much, "

Oh the irony!

[StarLiner]

I just want the mirage to go on sale please and the harrier to be fixed. I wish that we didn't have all this drama in my imaginary airplane video game

Edited December 5, 2024 by StarLiner

[MAXsenna]

I just want the mirage to go on sale please and the harrier to be fixed. I wish that we didn't have all this drama in my imaginary airplane video game

I believe it's fair to ASSUME that 99.999+% agrees with you in that!

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[WTFCSon]

1 hour ago, MAXsenna said:

I believe it's fair to ASSUME that 99.999+% agrees with you in that!

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I second that!

 

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

6 hours ago, Oban said:

Oh the irony!

It burns!

[NineLine]

9 hours ago, msi1411 said:

Understood, but I am a bit confused what is the purpose of this thread then?

To discuss what is listed in the original post which is all that is officially known, but as you can see, people still like assuming and all else. 

[Horns]

13 hours ago, NineLine said:

To discuss what is listed in the original post which is all that is officially known, but as you can see, people still like assuming and all else. 

So we can take it that the current status is still reflected in the first post (ie nothing has changed), and no additional assurances re the ultimate future of the F-15E or anything else are extended by ED? Referring specifically to the conjecture about the comment from Kate.

Apologies for bringing it up repeatedly but I don't believe anyone from ED has clarified how that comment should be read.

[mikey69420]

14 hours ago, NineLine said:

To discuss what is listed in the original post which is all that is officially known, but as you can see, people still like assuming and all else. 

If you're complaining about people "assuming" stuff, why don't you share more info about this whole situation to your customers ?

As you can surely notice, your company hasn't been the most transparent throughout this whole process.

[Eaglewings]

ED has made their position clear. They cannot divulge additional information having been professionally advice by their lawyers. This position I am is equally sure is binding on Razbam too told by their lawyers.
Since the matter has gone to court as far I understand, it seems like flogging a dead horse asking Ed or Razbam to give information beyond what we are allowed to know.

One can only wish the matter is resolved much faster and amicably.


It is sad and frustrating I know but what can we do beside having to wait it out.



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[Gizmo03]

vor 16 Minuten schrieb Eaglewings:

ED has made their position clear. They cannot divulge additional information having been professionally advice by their lawyers.

But to be honest: making public comments about the future of two very anticipated RB modules by the COO herself during times like these and then going completely silent again is not very professional. Implying that there might be some very good news but not confirming it and leaving the customers again in the dark  is making even more damage than it's helping in this situation.

[Eaglewings]

ED has made their position clear. They cannot divulge additional information having been professionally advice by their lawyers. This position I am sure is equally binding on Razbam too as instructed by their lawyers.
Since the matter has gone to court as far I understand, it seems like flogging a dead horse asking Ed or Razbam to give information beyond what we are allowed to know.

One can only wish the matter is resolved much faster and amicably.


It is sad and frustrating I know but what can we do beside having to wait it out.



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[Beirut]

On 12/5/2024 at 8:50 AM, msi1411 said:

Understood, but I am a bit confused what is the purpose of this thread then?

 

Think of it as the garbage can in the kitchen. 

 

All the trash is centralized and the rest of the place is kept clean.

[TheFreshPrince]

We are now waiting for a solution for 8 monthsTM

[draconus]

15 minutes ago, TheFreshPrince said:

We are now waiting for a solution for 8 monthsTM

Another 8 months more will still be normal. Not happy about it but that's harsh truth.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

Sadly yes. The F-15E is such a brilliant aircraft/module, so the sooner work can resume the better for everyone.

[Oban]

8 hours ago, Gizmo03 said:

But to be honest: making public comments about the future of two very anticipated RB modules by the COO herself during times like these and then going completely silent again is not very professional. Implying that there might be some very good news but not confirming it and leaving the customers again in the dark  is making even more damage than it's helping in this situation.

That's the problem with public perception, one see's what they want to see, and the expectation is high.

Right from the get go, the public perception was that after the Hawk debacle ED had stated this situation would never arise again, and that future contracts would invlove being able to have access to the source code, and in this case it wasn't any different, except the measure put in place were AFTER the contract to develop the F15E with Razbam, so it didn't apply, it is everyones wishful thinking that ED, if the situation cannot be resolved between RB and ED, then ED would somehow continue to develop the F15E.

The customers are not left in the dark, it's been stated umpteen times that anything official would be through this channel, and not passing comments, despite Kates position within the company.

There's still a long way to go, don't expect anything to be resolved until the 2nd quarter of 2025...

[Mike Force Team]

@Oban We might still have the ongoing circular conversations in December 2025.

[rob10]

8 hours ago, TheFreshPrince said:

We are now waiting for a solution for 8 monthsTM

When I first started working full time out of university, the company I was working for had their pension plan go bankrupt.  The pensioners instantly had their monthly cheques cut in half.  Most of them were hourly workers that wouldn't have had a high income to begin with.  It was at least 5 years (likely longer IIRC) before that got settled out of court and there was little or no communication other than the occasional "we're working on it" from the class action lawsuit that resulted.  And I'd argue it was a little higher priority to get solved than a frozen DCS module for the pensioners affected.  Hopefully this goes faster, but 8 months is hardly even the end of the beginning stage yet.

[Pipe]

1 hour ago, Oban said:

That's the problem with public perception, one see's what they want to see, and the expectation is high.

Right from the get go, the public perception was that after the Hawk debacle ED had stated this situation would never arise again, and that future contracts would invlove being able to have access to the source code, and in this case it wasn't any different, except the measure put in place were AFTER the contract to develop the F15E with Razbam, so it didn't apply, it is everyones wishful thinking that ED, if the situation cannot be resolved between RB and ED, then ED would somehow continue to develop the F15E.

The customers are not left in the dark, it's been stated umpteen times that anything official would be through this channel, and not passing comments, despite Kates position within the company.

There's still a long way to go, don't expect anything to be resolved until the 2nd quarter of 2025...

So its ok if ED staff make public comments, and RB staff and company are trash and unprofessional for making public comments. Seems ligit

Not pointed at you directly, but it has not gone unnoticed 

[Mizzy]

32 minutes ago, Pipe said:

So its ok if ED staff make public comments, and RB staff and company are trash and unprofessional for making public comments.

Of course it's ok for ED staff to make public comments, but none have been directly about the 'dispute' other than the first page. You read far too much into things and whatever has gone 'unnoticed' is a minority group that read too much into things. RB and their Discord along with Exposed are trashing ED, that is not the case with any ED public comments, I would have thought you can see this is obvious. If you have an example of ED trashing RB, please make it public. Kind regards

Mizzy