Slap_Chop Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 I just got A10 about a month ago and I'm thinking about getting BS2 now but I've been wondering if anyone who has both would like to comment on which one they think is more challenging ? I suspect Black Shark might be the tougher of the two when it comes to controlling the aircraft. Your thoughts ? I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy and I've had both. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Bodo Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 I have both and to be honest, I haven't even touched the surface of the A10. I do however thoroughly enjoy BS/BS2, it's been a joy to learn and really fun flying it. Feels more immersive than the A10 from the get go. The A10 computer systems etc kinda did my head in trying to learn them, I did only spend about a day or two and what with only just getting the hang of BS at about the same time the beta a10 came out, I've never actually fully sat down and spent enough time to learn it. If I had the time to get A10 down I'd probably enjoy it just as much but BS was a real joy to learn and understand and I still enjoy the feel of it. P51 will have the same gutsy rawness as the BS, I imagine, so I'm really looking forward to it. A jet would be cool, but I really like the idea of another DCS chopper, too. So to answer your question, I think they're both very challenging and I'd bet the A10 is more challenging to learn in full, the flying side of it is more...automatic, I guess, which is why I think I enjoy flying the shark more. Corsair 550D / Be Quiet 650W Pro 10 / ASUS P8Z77-V Pro / Intel i5 3570K / 16GB Kingston HyperX 1600 MHz / EVGA GTX 970 SC ACX2 4GB / 128GB Samsung 830 / RME HDSPe Multiface 2 / 1TB Samsung F3 / Prolimatech Megalames Rev. B / Windows 10 / BenQ XL2420T / Saitek X52 Pro / Kone Pure+ / Filco Majestouch 2 Ninja
JG2_Miller Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 Depends on what's more challenging for you: The A-10 is far more complex regarding the systems than the Ka-50 and it's pretty hard to learn for a beginner, but if you manage it it's going to be very satisfying. A-10s are more limited about attack strategies and sometimes an easier target for AAA since they cant simply dive behind a house and stay there for 5 mins. The Ka-50 is more difficult in terms of actually flying the aircraft, but if you get past the first few hours of training it'll become easy. Also the Ka-50 offers far more possibilities, at least I haven't seen an A-10 doing a stop turn in about 600 feet from 250 km/h, hover at 15 feet and shoot two missiles at a tank/AAA.
Nate--IRL-- Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 The Ka-50 is harder to fly and fight in. The A-10 is pretty simple to fly and fight in, once you have a solid grasp on how the various systems are integrated. The A-10 gives you a much much better view of the battlefield too. Flying the P-51, well...... you'll see. :) Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
Shein Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 Depends on what's more challenging for you: The A-10 is far more complex regarding the systems than the Ka-50 and it's pretty hard to learn for a beginner, but if you manage it it's going to be very satisfying. A-10s are more limited about attack strategies and sometimes an easier target for AAA since they cant simply dive behind a house and stay there for 5 mins. The Ka-50 is more difficult in terms of actually flying the aircraft, but if you get past the first few hours of training it'll become easy. Also the Ka-50 offers far more possibilities, at least I haven't seen an A-10 doing a stop turn in about 600 feet from 250 km/h, hover at 15 feet and shoot two missiles at a tank/AAA. +1, I was about to type exactly that Personally I don't care for the A-10 as much, as *what they are designed to do* the KA-50 is far more effective. The only reason the A-10 is still around today, is because of the type of war we're in... *braces himself for A-10 lovers to flame him into oblivion*
spikenet Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 I'll echo the above points. The A10 is easy to fly but hard to learn to fully exploit the weapons and targeting systems. Bs weapons are easy but the damn Shark sometimes has a mind of its own and always throws up surprises at the worst possible times :) hmm, I must get back into the shark..
Yurgon Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 I agree with the above posts. I, too, have only started to check out the A-10C although I'd bought it when it was still in Beta. The Black Shark is pretty outdated in terms of target acquisition and night/bad weather capabilities, as well as lacking RWR and IR warning. However, flying the chopper is extremely rewarding and teaches a lot about helicopter aerodynamics. The Deployment and Medvedev II campaigns are also a lot of fun to fly, with hand-crafted missions that hold quite a few surprises. I think you should really go for the Black Shark and take it slowly. The autopilot and stability augmentation systems along with the trimmer are all interconnected, and the concepts behind them are a bit hard to grasp in the beginning because of that interconnection. But once you get a feel for it, you can have the chopper do most of the flying which is pretty cool too. Besides, barrel rolls and loopings are not limited to fixed wing aircraft. :-)
Spetz Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 A10 - have it, never really got into it but from my limited flight time, pretty damn easy to fly even with 1 1/2 wings and a single engine. Accurate weapons that are pretty easily deployed, and really keep you out of harms way if needed. Love the GUA though.. Harder systems to learn in the beginning. Ka-50 - Fairly easy systems to use except for the ABRIS, but like the A10, can be learned with study. Flight - hold on to her!! Sometimes decides to do some pretty neat things on it's own, and unless you have all the AP dampeners on and in a auto-hover, going head down can be a PITA when engaging targets. Best of luck RTB'ing with one engine and failing systems and rotor damage. Both aircraft have their strong point and weak points, but are really, two completely different birds that really shouldn't be compared. Try them both out is the best option. Personnally, I prefer the Ka-50.
Toxe Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 If you prefer flying: Black Shark :joystick: If you prefer pressing buttons: A-10C :book: Awesome: Both. :thumbup: 1
Daze Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 I have never played BS. A-10C was my first ED sim and my first proper simulator (had only played IL2-WoP etc before). It's nails to learn but as someone else said it's extremely satisfying. I found the easiest way to learn was to replay training missions over 5 or so times before moving onto the next one that way you actually learn it rather than forgetting it 5mins later. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] First to Fight, First to Strike.
RodrigoMF_BR Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 I bought both... But i never flew the A-10C.. I really like the choppers and bought the A10, only for support the company.
Ramstein Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 If you prefer flying: Black Shark :joystick: If you prefer pressing buttons: A-10C :book: Awesome: Both. :thumbup: yeah,,, prettt good post... funny.. :P it depends on your reaction time, you must have fast acting responses in the aircraft, the helo, you actually seem to have more time to think and move.. the A-10C is hurry hurry, go - go -go.. :pilotfly: ASUS Strix Z790-H, i9-13900, WartHog HOTAS and MFG Crosswind G.Skill 64 GB Ram, 2TB SSD EVGA Nvidia RTX 2080-TI (trying to hang on for a bit longer) 55" Sony OLED TV, Oculus VR
leafer Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 I'd say any helicopters would be quite tricky to master when you're always within range of someone else's guns too. ED have been taking my money since 1995. :P
Suchacz Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 A10 is a "front-line warrior", Ka50 is more like a "sniper". A10 is like playing "Call of Duty", Ka50 is like "Splinter Cell" :smartass: Per aspera ad astra! Crucial reading about DCS: Black Shark - Black Shark and Coaxial Rotor Aerodynamics, Black Shark and the Trimmer, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 1, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 2
Frostie Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 They both have tough challenges. The Ka-50 is much harder to learn in the takeoff..fly..land process. The A-10 is ten times tougher switchology learning than the Kamov and has a much wider range of ordanance that requires specific knowledge, this is what makes A-10 a greater learning curve than the Ka-50. On the Battlefield, in the Ka-50 it is easier to engage a compact area of targets and hide away from weak anti air units, it is not too hard to do this with the A-10 though in the Ka-50 you will find it quicker to build up a great SA of the area. In a larger field of units the A-10 comes into its own and is able to evaluate a large area safely and prioritise major threats. When it comes to working in an environment with aerial threats then the A-10 has all the tools to know it's threatened most of the time, this makes it easier to evade these threats by running away, notching, hiding in valleys etc. where as in the Ka-50 you will more often than not never know about an aerial threat until it is too late, so you need to plot your course and try and stay stealthy, keep your speed down or take a nasty surprise. The Ka-50 is a much tougher prospect in an aerial protected area. "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 'Red 5'. Lord Flashheart 51st PVO "Bisons" - 100 KIAP Regiment Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org
213 Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 bs. helicopters require a lot more finesse to control accurately.
Booger Posted March 11, 2012 Posted March 11, 2012 If you're a patient person, you'll enjoy BS incredibly. It's elegant in it's own rough sort of way. If you're an impatient 12 year old who constantly whines about how bored you are (and HAS to let everyone around them know), don't even consider trying this sim. A-10 is the happy medium with the current void DCS has. You have all the wonderful things fixed wing aviation has to offer & get to blow up stuff. Like others have mentioned, the patience is only really necessary during the initial learning curve (oh and air refueling). Compared to the BS, you're certainly higher & faster. In the end, I think it just depends on your personality.
Wolfie Posted March 11, 2012 Posted March 11, 2012 Flying wise, BS. Instrument wise, A-10C. BS with the instruments of the A-10C would be a drokk'in nightmare! "Isn't this fun!?" - Inglorious Bastards "I rode a tank, held a general's rank / When the Blitzkrieg raged, and the bodies stank!" - Stones.
Slayer Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 A-10C is like a blaster, Blackshark is like .."A more elegant weapon from a more civilized age" 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] System Specs Intel I7-3930K, Asrock EXTREME9, EVGA TITAN, Mushkin Chronos SSD, 16GB G.SKILL Ripjaws Z series 2133, TM Warthog and MFD's, Saitek Proflight Combat pedals, TrackIR 5 + TrackClip PRO, Windows 7 x64, 3-Asus VS2248H-P monitors, Thermaltake Level 10 GT, Obutto cockpit
Shein Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Flying wise, BS. Instrument wise, A-10C. BS with the instruments of the A-10C would be a drokk'in nightmare! ...all the more reason for ED to model the 52 ;)
Booger Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Flying wise, BS. Instrument wise, A-10C. BS with the instruments of the A-10C would be a drokk'in nightmare!
Pyroflash Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 (edited) Yes, AH-1Z, you can tell by the four bladed main rotor. And I support the notion that ED should be developing this aircraft for DCS. Edited March 12, 2012 by Pyroflash If you aim for the sky, you will never hit the ground.
213 Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 heh that's all digital. it would be easier, actually. plus the task is divided between 2 people.
Agg Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 The A-10 is much more "user friendly" than the Shark, once you get the hang of the computer systems the A-10 is quite easy to fly. Of course, it's underpowered, and with a full fuel and weapons load it feels like trying to fly a brick, but it still wont actively try to kill you, like I always felt the Shark was :P The A-10 is easier to fly, but the computer systems are more advanced, the Shark is harder to fly, but the systems are very straight forward.
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