I don't want WW2 aircraft in DCS

[Archer7]

ED is a big team and I believe they are working on modern and vintage separately.

I believe they can handle 66 years of aviation history from the upcoming Spitfire’s first flight to the A-10Cs introduction.

Out of the existing aircraft we have a dominance of modern aircraft and out of the upcoming aircraft we have a dominance of modern aircraft.

Out of the third-party modules we’ve seen I don’t believe we have any cause to distinguish between ED and third-party modules in terms of quality.

So I wouldn’t worry about DCS eventually turning into a shoddy WWII simulator.

[GodsPrototype]

Can't say I can agree with this at all, but everyone has their own opinion. I'm enjoying DCS more and more everyday, and I don't expect it to decline anytime soon, especially with EDGE, new theaters and new aircraft coming so soon.

[BIGNEWY]

Welcome back to the forum OP

 

The optimist says the glass is half full.

 

The pessimist says the glass is half empty.

 

The project manager says the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

 

The realist says the glass contains half the required amount of liquid for it to overflow.

 

And the cynic... wonders who drank the other half.

 

The computer programmer says the glass is full-empty.

 

:)

 

 

I am happy with the way things are going, and enjoying my flying more than ever

[SDsc0rch]

"master of none" ---- ??

 

how can you say that? how can you POSSIBLY say that??

 

 

 

also, by outlawal2.. "They are diversifiying by adding WW2 and bringing in the die hard WW2 fans. (and once they are hooked on WW2 how many of them will look at the other offereings available?"

 

and vice versa ---- i'm a hard-core modern-era (err.. mid-/late-90s) jets kinda guy, but guess what, i've bought p-51, dora and bf-109 - and f-86

 

wouldn't have if ED&Co wasn't so awesome at building the jets i like

[llama]

So, after skeleton will be implemented then we can expect DCS: Kapanina ! :D .

 

Skeleton dynamics is a must have to have a proper female walk :P... you know, aerodynamics, hydrodynamics, woman PFM.

 

Personally, I would prefer the SFM for the female sim ;)

[WildBillKelsoe]

I can't comment on this thread. Not because I agree or disagree, but surely I'll say a thing:

 

ED can never be wrong now. They can't afford to be wrong.

[SkateZilla]

Nope! I once had a forum account on here but it is long gone .. last time I used ED forums was like ten years ago although I have a collective experience in flight simulation products offered by ED that gives me the perspective I have.

 

 

What was your old Account Name?

[Chappie]

What was your old Account Name?

 

I don't remember .. been a while

[Wolf Rider]

 

~

 

And the cynic... wonders who drank the other half.

 

~

 

 

 

That would have been me... I was thirsty, saw water in a glass :music_whistling:

 

 

 

 

here's a 1/32 soon to be from Tamiya...

 

Edited September 27, 2014 by Wolf Rider

[rubblebeam]

Niche product, what DCS is, and they still out of this passion need to feed themselves and their families.

And it will remain a niche product. A guy comes into the forum and states his point of view and is attacked. folk who want ww2 content are attacked and folk who don't want ww2 products are attacked.

A guy comes into the forums and states his point of view in a long post and is told to keep it short and get to the point.

A guy comes into the forums and states his point of view with a short abrupt post and is told to elaborate.

No wonder flight sims are a niche product. The community is garbage. Full of fanboys who will get defensive at any sign of anyone not having the same point of view as their own.

I like ww2 sims but i cannot stand the constant whine from the luftwhiners in regard to the german aircraft not being the uber machines they expect. So to get away from that I fly modern aircraft sometimes. There is a place for both sides and DCS is the only sim that caters to both in a combat environment.

I would prefer vietnam aircraft and a decent map to fly them in but that is not going to happen for a long time. maybe if ED release the SDK for map making but I am very doubtful that is ever going to happen as ED are charging for maps and User created maps will no doubt take food from their mouths and their families mouths.

[Pikey]

Whilst we are on topic for feedback; saying what you like and don't like is good in a customer forum.

 

Saying what you don't like is OK too, but would be make more sense to give the rounded version.

 

But suggesting the things you don't like are what everyone likes or doesn't like and is the wrong way to go, is not a great way to feedback, it's including too much opinion and in the end going off target for feedback and into the realms of a very subjected and isolated narrow view that doesn't consider other views.

 

For example, saying DCS is 'malignant' is a terrible use of the word.

"disposed to cause harm, suffering, or distress deliberately; feeling or showing ill will or hatred."

This is a computer game series, not a cult religion, you need to be proportionate.

 

DCS has never set out to state anything about era. But saying you want 45 year old aircraft in there instead isn't a very convincing counter point either.

 

I would never want to stifle someone's opinion, because they should be valued, just please do not offer them as business cases. Your thread title captured everything that the business leaders needed to know and was as valuable as it gets. The rest was not well thought through.

 

And to Rubblebeam regarding this "garbage community", honestly, I have found this consistently the best community of anything on the internet, they've offered help to me on several occasions and have always been friendly. Sometimes you just need to positive and identify which community you belong with.

[blackbelter]

Some posts are unbelieveably offensive... You think defending ED's direction by mocking other people (OP) is helping ED? Or do you think laughing at OP's way of expressing his opinion makes your own opinion superior to his?

[rjetster1]

I didn’t have to read your post; the title says it all… “I Don’t Want!” We get it. That’s what my kids used to say when they were little and naïve. Eventually they grew up a bit and learned the world doesn’t revolve around them.

Edited September 27, 2014 by rjetster1

[mmaruda]

This is a computer game series, not a cult religion, you need to be proportionate.

 

You what, mate?! Explain to me how is flightsimming not a cult religion? Ever seen any other games that require you to read the scripture, know it by heart and listen to sermons by Youtube preachers, who teach you the true ways and only then you are worthy to sit in the shrine the virtual cockpit is? :geek:

 

:harhar::harhar::harhar:

[kontiuka]

I didn’t have to read your post; the title says it all… “I Don’t Want!” We get it. That’s what my kids used to say when they were little and naïve. Eventually they grew up a bit and learned the world doesn’t revolve around them.

Actually, I think the mods changed the title. It was something to the effect of 'ED has lost their way' or something like that.

[Raven Morpheus]

I'll add my £/$0.02.

 

As long as WWII planes come with some context in DCS I'm happy to see them. I dream of an updated IL2 1946 (with all the TFM content and PF/FB content I currently have in my IL2 1946 install) with better graphics and better performance (framerates) - although Battle of Stalingrad is looking good for that, if only currently for the Russia vs Germany angle.

 

Currently however they're just being chucked in (I could level the same at the F86 and MiG21), into the GTO circa whenever it is/was map (2006?), and they to my knowledge don't even come with proper campaigns.

 

I do understand there is probably a reason that is the case though, for the WWII planes at least - ED to my knowledge are picking up the pieces of what was the WWII kickstarter that barely got off the ground.

 

 

Personally I'd love to see masses more helicopters, it seems all the upcoming stuff is WWII or just not a helicopter, the only one I've noted that could be coming is a variant of the AH-1. Helicopter simming is hugely under-represented.

 

However, when I say choppers I mean iconic ones. To me the Mi-8 isn't. In fact the only iconic Eastern Bloc chopper I can think of really (besides the Ka-50) is the Mi-24 Hind.

 

Now, ask me about iconic Western helicopters...

Edited September 27, 2014 by Raven Morpheus

[Rob8861]

I haven't read the entire life story. that's not that interesting but I agree with the OP 100%. this is 2014, not 1944.

 

I know it is much harder to build DCS modules with Flight Model Fidelity for modern jets or a helicopters, than some WWII junk, mostly due to the complexity of their systems/instruments. But I would much rather resources will be spent doing that rather than WWII fixed wings airplanes.

[NineLine]

I haven't read the entire life story. that's not that interesting but I agree with the OP 100%. this is 2014, not 1944.

 

I know it is much harder to build DCS modules with Flight Model Fidelity for modern jets or a helicopters, than some WWII junk, mostly due to the complexity of their systems/instruments. But I would much rather resources will be spent doing that rather than WWII fixed wings airplanes.

 

Catch 22... they can use the extra resources gained from other era modules to help fund modern aircraft... ED is a business after all, why wouldnt they want to tap other areas of the market...

[Python]

this is 2014, not 1944.

 

Yeah, this is why I don't wear trousers.. trousers are so 1400's. :P

 

Seriously though, I don't get this arguament, should we brush aside all of history and only model the newest stuff? The F-15 is over 40 years old, where does it begin and end? I'm happy that we are seeing a large variety of types and eras work their way into DCS, it seems many of us are. I can understand why some people aren't interested in the 40's stuff, but the modular nature of DCS world makes them very easy for the people that don't want it to avoid them.

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

these "there are other wwii sims out there, so dcs should only focus on modern stuff"-posts are getting old.

 

fact is, there is no wwii sim out there, which comes even remotely close to dcs flight models and general fidelity...so no, for me and some others, there are no wwii alternatives out there.

 

i could also say, that im not interested in the mig21 for example, and that its a wrong approach to develop such a plane as well because i dont like it :)...but that would be just ignorant and totally wrong.while i may or may not like this plane, there are plenty of customers who love it.

the more customers ED can attract, the more income they will gather and the more we can expect as customers.better for all of us in the end.

 

and if they release a cessna 172, i will buy it.

 

horray for dcs wwii.

Edited September 29, 2014 by 9./JG27 DavidRed

[Darkwolf]

I start to get rid of these regular "I don't want X or Y stuff".

 

You don't want it, you don't buy it. Period. Although I admire the effort of the OP to demonstrate his point- It's just a damn selfish demonstration.

 

If Flanker/lock on was so great, you can still fly FC3.

[winz]

I don't WW2 stuff, I don't want vietnam stuff, I don't wan't 70s tech, I don't want another heli, I don't want trainer aircraft. I don't want another US platform.

 

I want the good ol' days of pure DCS back. When you could only fly the BS, and the A-10C was still years away.

 

I hate what DCS World has become, I hate that I have a choice and can select from variety of aircraft from different eras. /s

[Soulres]

yeah, there are more ModernDay flight sims than WW2,heck JANES was a big one.

[Chappie]

Not to resurrect bygone eras of days past was the intent of my post and certainly not to speak ill of WWII aircraft as the mods have changed the title of my post to imply but to express an opinion that is not shared only by myself but held by many others with equal concern for the last vestige of military flight simulation that will probably never exist again given the quality and investment once the torch passes from ED/TFC.

 

Therefore my concern is that DCS continues to be what Su-27, for those that were present in the beginning, promised to the culmination of DCS now and there is care in the development approach. No, I do not think WWII and time spent on it in the presence of aged open feature requests is right but I do plan to purchase the German planes.

 

If ED/TFC can pull it off, wonderful but I do hope they give more earnest attention to multiplayer crew, flight models, EDGE, etc. in favor of what I consider a side project they adopted though I understand why they did. Also, beyond WWII, how will 3rd party development and this early beta engine run when these projects feel like abandonware? I will support it but, like others, remain leeary of it.

Edited October 15, 2014 by Chappie

[NeilWillis]

this is 2014, not 1944.

 

 

So scrap the A-10C too, and the Hornet when that is released? After all, it's all old technology now!!!

 

That comment is so crass it beggars belief!