North America Wishlist Thread

[Woogey]

As an American I absolutely agree with you, sadly I don’t think it will happen or be a priority with DCS in its current sandbox Simulation form.  As other people have said here the combat portion of our gameplay dictates the current map production. Once the base DCS engine goes to a full global model, then I think you will find that these regions become much more popular.  You never know though with ORBX entering the fray, their true earth regions could become very prevalent in DCS.  The caveat to that being, I believe Eagle dynamics approached ORBX to create the map for them.  Whether ORBX wants to continue and release maps for a combat simulator remains to be seen.  
 

For me Personally the dream, is 1985 SoCal at the height of the Cold War.  
 

-Woog

[Beirut]

On 8/4/2022 at 5:16 AM, Dragon1-1 said:

I wouldn't mind Greenland or Alaska,

 

 

 

Alaska would be great. 

 

And I'd really like to see Nevada get some love and spruced up a bit.

[Mike_Romeo]

There was a US map annocent some time ago. It wasnt offical but we still might get a new US California map

 

[Seaeagle]

On 8/4/2022 at 11:16 AM, Dragon1-1 said:

I wouldn't mind Greenland or Alaska, mostly for fighting bombers coming over the pole from the USSR. That said, the US is in a situation where there are no red airbases anywhere near it. To even consider attacking it you need long range aviation, which is not the focus of DCS. So, you either make a map where training areas are, or something on the very fringe.

I'd rather see California, with Lemoore, North Island and Miramar. Plus, of course, the ocean for carriers. That would be highly useful for USN/USMC training scenarios.

Greenland? - whats that got to do with "USA maps"?

Edited August 24, 2022 by Seaeagle

[Dragon1-1]

Not much, but if you're going to be saving the US from a Soviet nuclear strike, you'd be flying out of Greenland. 

[Hairdo1-1]

On 8/24/2022 at 5:46 AM, Mike_Romeo said:

There was a US map annocent some time ago. It wasnt offical but we still might get a new US California map

 

I’d be shocked if this is real. Doing such large metros will be a huge undertaking. I thought I heard there is a limit to the size of maps and objects in the DCS engine. Hence why the maps are what they are now. 

[Mike_Romeo]

11 minutes ago, Hairdo1-1 said:

I heard there is a limit to the size of maps

I dont think so. I mean the south atlantic map is huge isnt it ?

[MAXsenna]

7 minutes ago, Mike_Romeo said:

I dont think so. I mean the south atlantic map is huge isnt it ?

But not detailed in the way described above.  

 

[Elf1606688794]

On 5/25/2022 at 9:55 PM, Nodak said:

Lack of suitable airbases, and the distance between.  Personally a well done map with close to life like terrain, hell yeah, but financially probably not a good bet with no runways.  Want some Dall sheep up in those mountains and some smoking volcano's.

There are at least 5 runways owned by the Air Force that are long enough to accomodate modern fighters in Alaska.

Eielson AFB in Fairbanks

Elemendorf AFB in Anchorage

Shemya Island

Galena AB (former alert site during the Cold War)

King Salmon AB (Another former alert site)

Barrow Alaska has a lengthy runway also, we (21st TFW) deployed there one time in the dead of winter just to see if we could do it. Dead of winter = temperatures below -40. The guys that went took ALL of their cold weather gear and were glad they did. F-15's were housed in some sort of blow-up hangers made of plastic and were heated so the aircraft didn't develop leaks due to the extreme cold.

Dutch Harbor, Kodiak Island and other places might also have long enough runways to operate fighters from. And of course, no runways are needed for helicopters.

There were Soviet air bases close enough to send bombers to test our reaction times. And they did, many times while I was there.

On 5/29/2022 at 6:25 PM, Mike Force Team said:

@Beirut To make the long transoceanic flights more bearable, ED could build in a time-compression feature.  You can fast forward the mission so that your engagements are in the areas of conflict rather than counting the waves as you are flying to/from the destination.

MFT

We already have that. When mapping your HOTAS look for "UI Layer" then Time Accelerate, Time Decelerate and Time Normal.

[Devil 505]

On 8/15/2022 at 8:24 PM, Woogey said:

I think it is time to revisit this map Idea.  With ORBX finally entering the pool so to speak, this could potentially open the flood gates with their True Earth product line. Using the existing ORBX True Earth SoCal product to Rewind the calendar slightly (Pre-1990), and now you have a map that supports a ton of aircraft with home bases. The Following should have precedence as "Hi Detail" bases to support existing modules:  NAS Miramar F-4, F-8, F-14, F-5, A-4, E-2ai, George AFB F-4E, F-4Fai, F-4Gai, OV-10A, MCAS El Toro A-6E, F- 4B/N, F-4J/S, RF-4Bai, F-8 A-4, OA-4M, F/A-18, C-130, MCAS Yuma AV-8B, F-5, NAS Lemoore A-7E, F/A-18,  Edwards AFB.

Slightly less detailed bases to support training operations and support potential future modules should include: NAS North Island SH-2Fai, SH-3H, SH-60Bai CH-46, S-3ai, C-2ai, C-9ai, MCAS Camp Pendelton AH-1W, UH-1N, CH-46, OV-10D, Los Alamitos AAF AH-1S, UH-1H, UH-60, AH-64, CH-47.

Finally some basic detail bases that are on the map and could support multiple different scenarios NAS Point Mugu, NAF El Centro, MCAS Tustin, NAF Imperial Beach, NAF China Lake, NTC Fort Irwin, Vandenberg AFB, and USAF Plant 42 at Palmdale. 
 

Finally I would like to add, there’s a whole Lot of ocean out there, and a little portion of Mexico on this map.  This is not just a training map it is also very much open for Red Dawn type scenarios.   

You Stole my thunder and took it up a notch! I was going to say with all the maps coming out and the size of each one, it is time to revisit this one for sure.  This covers EVERY aspect of all training for every module DCS currently has for the United States.  Air Force, Navy, and Marines.  There is so much that could be accomplished with this.  I love that you expanded Nellis and Leemore. This would be a great map for every training aspect.  The map would have to be called the SOCAL map.  Really hope this sparks a third party dev to look into this closer.  This needs to extend to MCAS YUMA for sure.  Not to mention their is room for border control/drug interdiction missions with this map including Tijuana and Mexicali.  Lets keep this one in the spot light.  Hopefully someone will run with it eventually.

Edited September 24, 2022 by Devil 505

[Phoschek]

On 2/12/2019 at 4:59 PM, Devil 505 said:

I understand not extending the NTTR map. But maybe an entirely new map with San Diego, NAS Miramar, San Clemente Island, Edwards AFB, San Diego International and Las Angeles International. I still think it provides a lot of military training opportunities, especially for future Sea born operations/modules. There is no reason to try and attach that map to the NTTR. To far away. Plus, if they could extend it far enough to hit Edwards, we would have an AF training base.

But R-2508 is actually a critical area to a LOT of Southern California units.

[Angelthunder]

On 8/15/2022 at 8:24 PM, Woogey said:

I think it is time to revisit this map Idea.  With ORBX finally entering the pool so to speak, this could potentially open the flood gates with their True Earth product line. Using the existing ORBX True Earth SoCal product to Rewind the calendar slightly (Pre-1990), and now you have a map that supports a ton of aircraft with home bases. The Following should have precedence as "Hi Detail" bases to support existing modules:  NAS Miramar F-4, F-8, F-14, F-5, A-4, E-2ai, George AFB F-4E, F-4Fai, F-4Gai, OV-10A, MCAS El Toro A-6E, F- 4B/N, F-4J/S, RF-4Bai, F-8 A-4, OA-4M, F/A-18, C-130, MCAS Yuma AV-8B, F-5, NAS Lemoore A-7E, F/A-18,  Edwards AFB.

Slightly less detailed bases to support training operations and support potential future modules should include: NAS North Island SH-2Fai, SH-3H, SH-60Bai CH-46, S-3ai, C-2ai, C-9ai, MCAS Camp Pendelton AH-1W, UH-1N, CH-46, OV-10D, Los Alamitos AAF AH-1S, UH-1H, UH-60, AH-64, CH-47.

Finally some basic detail bases that are on the map and could support multiple different scenarios NAS Point Mugu, NAF El Centro, MCAS Tustin, NAF Imperial Beach, NAF China Lake, NTC Fort Irwin, Vandenberg AFB, and USAF Plant 42 at Palmdale. 
 

Finally I would like to add, there’s a whole Lot of ocean out there, and a little portion of Mexico on this map.  This is not just a training map it is also very much open for Red Dawn type scenarios.   

ORBX DCS SoCal.kml 22.24 kB · 2 downloads

 

Yeah,don't forget to add the civilian airports too as that's where many military and civilian aircraft were manufacted between WW2 to the end of the Cold War.Lockheed,Northrop,North American Aviation/Rockwell,Douglas/Mcdonnell and Convair/General Dynamics all had factories there at one point.

Edited September 28, 2022 by Angelthunder

[tedcrowley18]

With the C130 mod and other helos that are coming out, and possibly more, i would love to see a map in the southeast highlighting fort bragg, shaw afb, charleston areas.  Be able to train and do some stuiff such as airborne drops, air assault practice ops and airfield siezures is always cool.  Also with having the 77th at shaw, it would be cool to see something to represent the SC guard and them. Just my $.02.

[HoBGoBLiNzx3]

Being a San Diegan.. I fully agree with this  

Don't forget to add wild brush fires (great balls of fire!)  haha jk. but it would be cool haha.

On 9/28/2022 at 1:22 PM, Angelthunder said:

Yeah,don't forget to add the civilian airports too as that's where many military and civilian aircraft were manufacted between WW2 to the end of the Cold War.Lockheed,Northrop,North American Aviation/Rockwell,Douglas/Mcdonnell and Convair/General Dynamics all had factories there at one point.

 

They still have RND and aerospace facilities. I've helped build a few of them.  

[HoBGoBLiNzx3]

On 8/15/2022 at 6:24 PM, Woogey said:

I think it is time to revisit this map Idea.  With ORBX finally entering the pool so to speak, this could potentially open the flood gates with their True Earth product line. Using the existing ORBX True Earth SoCal product to Rewind the calendar slightly (Pre-1990), and now you have a map that supports a ton of aircraft with home bases. The Following should have precedence as "Hi Detail" bases to support existing modules:  NAS Miramar F-4, F-8, F-14, F-5, A-4, E-2ai, George AFB F-4E, F-4Fai, F-4Gai, OV-10A, MCAS El Toro A-6E, F- 4B/N, F-4J/S, RF-4Bai, F-8 A-4, OA-4M, F/A-18, C-130, MCAS Yuma AV-8B, F-5, NAS Lemoore A-7E, F/A-18,  Edwards AFB.

Slightly less detailed bases to support training operations and support potential future modules should include: NAS North Island SH-2Fai, SH-3H, SH-60Bai CH-46, S-3ai, C-2ai, C-9ai, MCAS Camp Pendelton AH-1W, UH-1N, CH-46, OV-10D, Los Alamitos AAF AH-1S, UH-1H, UH-60, AH-64, CH-47.

Finally some basic detail bases that are on the map and could support multiple different scenarios NAS Point Mugu, NAF El Centro, MCAS Tustin, NAF Imperial Beach, NAF China Lake, NTC Fort Irwin, Vandenberg AFB, and USAF Plant 42 at Palmdale. 
 

Finally I would like to add, there’s a whole Lot of ocean out there, and a little portion of Mexico on this map.  This is not just a training map it is also very much open for Red Dawn type scenarios.   

ORBX DCS SoCal.kml 22.24 kB · 3 downloads

 

You could use March Air Base as an airforce base. It's technically a reserve base I believe, but it would fit without having to push that far north into Edwards. 

However, It would be nice to see everything highlighted. I'm guessing now that they have scanning technology for maps and google earth it wouldn't be terribly hard but I have no idea how any of that works lol. 

[Mars Exulte]

On 8/15/2022 at 8:24 PM, Woogey said:

This is not just a training map it is also very much open for Red Dawn type scenarios.   

ORBX DCS SoCal.kml 22.24 kB · 3 downloads

 

 Considering there are exactly zero countries on this planet capable of launching an amphibious invasion of the United States, including the United States, ''Red Dawn'' is just... You can use literally any generic ocean terrain for a RedFor attack on BluFor, but anything involving ''invading the US'' is just ridiculous. We don't need a(nother) urban training map in the desert, we need something actually plausible and useful.

Edited November 4, 2022 by Mars Exulte

[Woogey]

On 11/3/2022 at 7:24 PM, Mars Exulte said:

 Considering there are exactly zero countries on this planet capable of launching an amphibious invasion of the United States, including the United States, ''Red Dawn'' is just... You can use literally any generic ocean terrain for a RedFor attack on BluFor, but anything involving ''invading the US'' is just ridiculous. We don't need a(nother) urban training map in the desert, we need something actually plausible and useful.

 

Thank you for your input Mars, I am glad you put the time and effort into your response.  A couple of points that I would like to make. 1) We already have maps for all of the current hotspots of the world.  Either in our hands or on short final (Afghanistan).  2) As the premise of my version of the proposed map is Circa 1985,  the Soviet Union was still alive and kicking.  At this time they very much had a Bluewater Navy with assault craft very comparable to the United States in capability.  

 

This is very much a nostalgia map proposal that would allow service members and Fans of US Air Power to relive their glory days operating out of bases that no longer exist in the real world.  It would give many of our Aircraft the home base that they currently do not have.  Overall, this would be a fun map, which is why I play DCS, for an enjoyable way to pass time.  Campaign makers could tap into the 1980's California vibe of hot cars, good music, Palm trees, and beautiful tan lines.  The USSR could be hell bent on destruction of that Carefree Capitalist way of life.  I mean there are so many possibilities.  The other two Historical maps that are needed is Vietnam and Cold War Fulda Gap/Germany.  I am pretty sure ED has an outline for both of these already.

 

-Woog

Edited November 10, 2022 by Woogey

[Mars Exulte]

4 hours ago, Woogey said:

At this time they very much had a Bluewater Navy with assault craft very comparable to the United States in capability.  

Uh... no it didn't. I realise it's a fantasy scenario, but it's ''Nazis from the dark side of the moon'' level of fantasy. The United States could not realistically invade the United States, not 40 years ago and not today, much less the Soviets completely devoid of relevant aircraft carriers. Nuke the US, yes. Invade it, no.

Edited November 10, 2022 by Mars Exulte

[rkk01]

Not really sure what SoCal would offer over and above NTTR… I guess if just comes down to some old film

The UK “training map” thread offers much more variety, as well as more plausible “gone hot” scenarios

[Nomatic]

Agreed - I was just coming to request the Eastern Seaboard. Would be massive, but would be great. 

[KWard]

If it includes NAS Meridian and NAS Pensacola you've got my vote.

[trevoC]

Personally, I don't think North America lends itself well to any of the era aircraft in DCS. The training option is well covered in Nevada map IMO. There are so many more options to compliment the aircraft we have in DCS like Vietnam etc... I can't imagine many people wanting this map or campaign makers wanting to target this map.

[SauceBoss]

A map of NAS Pensacola would be a welcome addition for those who wish to simulate naval primary training. With the news of the Pilatus PC-9 in the works, this would mean a Navy T-6 livery would work out perfectly. More maps in the U.S. such as NTTR seems like a good idea. 

[upyr1]

We'd need the Lexington 

[AegisFX]

if it could include Cuba Jamaica, and puerto rico as well, it would actually be pretty fun.

 

 

*yes, i revived it.