Way we not have any airliners?

[assafm25]

Way we not see any airliners or civilized airplane or some cargo birds ?

Today the DCS is the best platform for computer simulations and its by far more realistic than any sim ever.

 

It will be nice to fly some airliners or cargo drop missions un thus great platform.

[statrekmike]

Not sure how gratifying it would be to fly a airliner considering DCS's map size. The same would go for larger military cargo aircraft. We just don't really have the room on the maps to support satisfying missions with those aircraft types.

[QuiGon]

I don't see why there should be civilian airliners in a Digital Combat Simulator. Now, tactical cargo aircraft (e.g. C-130 or C-160) would be something different and would fit in. I would like to fly in supplies to a frontline airfield in a Hercules or a Transall.

Edited March 11, 2019 by QuiGon

[sirrah]

As far as flyable aircraft, I also don't see why they should be added to DCS (probably won't be able to compete with some of the existing developers in other sim's anyway and it would take away resources from more essential improvements).

 

Although I do agree that it would be nice if we had a possibility to add some civil AI aircraft to make the "world" a bit more alive.

 

Maybe a stupid question, but why doesn't ED just use some of the excellent user made mods (like the civil aircraft mod)? I assume that somewhere/somehow ED made sure that they have the right to use/implement any of the community mods that were made without the necessity of buying/asking for rights (please correct me if I'm wrong because I have no idea about legal issues of these kind).

 

There are plenty of beautiful community mods out there that would bring DCS to another level. And I'm pretty sure that (even if ED does need to ask for rights) most of the mod creators would be happy to see there mod implemented in DCS.

[RavenFrost]

As QuiGon said. It's a milsim.

[Кош]

Absolutely no sense in flyable big civilian birds for obvious reasons, still some AI airliners for peacetime and local conflict/coin scenarios(especially Nevada) are much welcome.(and we already have Yak-40 and An-26, add An-24 and Tu-154 and Caucasus traffic would be complete. Add 737 and any traffic would be complete :)) ).

[beppe_goodoldrebel]

Civilian maybe not , non-combat aircraft or helos would be great.

 

UH1 is one of my favourite modules.

 

I would love to see an UH60 with a good infantry transport system, medevac tasks , SPIE insertion/extraction , air refueling ... jeez, it would be really good.

 

Even a good CH47.

 

Edited March 11, 2019 by beppe_goodoldrebel

[ZMEY-HS-]

I don't see why there should be civilian airliners in a Digital Combat Simulator..

Sometimes I doubt if DCS still means digit combat sim. Recently released props modules makes me think about this acronym as Dust Crops Simulator.

[QuiGon]

Sometimes I doubt if DCS still means digit combat sim. Recently released props modules makes me think about this acronym as Dust Crops Simulator.

Yeah, I'm confused by that as well...

[ebabil]

we still haven't our cargo planes, refueling planes, awacs planes.

so you need to wait in the queue for your B-737

[LeCuvier]

If I want to fly a civilian aircraft I just launch x Plane and then I can spend an hour flying from Paris to Vienna and get bored...

No, thanks. I bought DCS for the excitement of air combat.

[hazzer]

Why anyone has an issue with adding more variety to the game is beyond me. Dcs has a great flight model and has the potential to have great performance and visuals. So more aircraft including civ planes are fantastic. Yes they may not be for you but stop being so against it.

[RavenFrost]

If ED would create a game called Civilian Aircraft Simulator, then you could get your B-737.

 

 

btw CAS wouldn't be a good name

[sirrah]

Why anyone has an issue with adding more variety to the game is beyond me. Dcs has a great flight model and has the potential to have great performance and visuals. So more aircraft including civ planes are fantastic. Yes they may not be for you but stop being so against it.

I think most of us are not explicitly against it, but it's just that we (or at least speaking for myself here) rather see the current limited recouces being spend on further improvement of the military aspects of the sim before diving into a market that is already pretty mature (xplane, fsx)

[Mr_sukebe]

How about a a VC10 for transporting troops?

[probad]

the excellent user made mods (like the civil aircraft mod)

there is a big gap between amateur quality and professional quality

[sirrah]

there is a big gap between amateur quality and professional quality

In some cases I don't agree with you. In the end it's all people doing the work. E.g. the communty made A-4 Skyhawk mod has proven to be better that a certain (not to be named here) 3rd party "professional" developer. Same can be said for some of the user made missions.

 

True the civil aircraft mod might lack in certain areas, but imo, when it comes to visual effects there are some ai aircraft in dcs that look worse.

[LeCuvier]

I think most of us are not explicitly against it, but it's just that we (or at least speaking for myself here) rather see the current limited recouces being spend on further improvement of the military aspects of the sim before diving into a market that is already pretty mature (xplane, fsx)

Totally agree. There are lots of bugs and issues that have been around for years, probably because of resource constraints. And I'd rather have them address those issues with modules we've bought rather than trying to duplicate what X plane and others already have.

[msalama]

I agree, bugs and issues first. But I'd still pay good money for a fully and professionally modelled (e.g. DCS-level) C-47. Or a Herc, that'd be a first day buy as well.

[Gierasimov]

That was mentioned by Wags

 

Absolutely no sense in flyable big civilian birds for obvious reasons, still some AI airliners for peacetime and local conflict/coin scenarios(especially Nevada) are much welcome.(and we already have Yak-40 and An-26, add An-24 and Tu-154 and Caucasus traffic would be complete. Add 737 and any traffic would be complete :)) ).

 

Civilian airborne traffic was mentioned by Wags some time ago. They want to make DCS a little bit more alive. I just hope for two things - switch off toggle, and also it won't be ghost traffic like current civilian cars...

[SharpeXB]

ED struggles with limited resources to make this sim. Please keep their efforts focused on what DCS does best which is military aircraft and combat simulation. DCS cannot be all things to all people without suffering destructive scope creep. There are other sims that handle airliners very well.

I’m sure these are considerably expensive to develop and they would never sell the numbers here to justify making them for DCS.

The DCS World map and game engine just aren’t suited for this either. Civilian sims give players the entire globe to fly in. And real world weather etc.

 

This topic has already been discussed to death and deleted for forum rule violations.

Let’s not go there again.

[SonofEil]

I’m of the opinion that more content=more better DCS. I’m not specifically rooting for flyable civilian planes, but I wouldn’t throw a tantrum and flame ED, like so many people here would, if we ended up getting some. (Remember how people lost their damn minds about DCS: Cows, even though it was explicitly stated that a developer created it for fun on their own time? Shameful behavior from the community imo. (Btw, where are our cows?))

It especially wouldn’t bother me since an airliner would likely be a third party module. If PMDG wants to develop for DCS more power to them.

Civilian AI traffic, on the other hand, is an absolute necessity.

Civilian airborne traffic was mentioned by Wags some time ago. They want to make DCS a little bit more alive.

Yeah I remember that. The fact that it was mentioned casually though, and hasn’t been brought up since makes me think it’ll be years (if ever) before we get it. Besides a serious weather upgrade (if that ever happens either), civ air traffic is the biggest improvement ED could make to the sterile maps we currently fly.

Edited March 11, 2019 by SonofEil

[moonshot]

...what DCS does best which is military aircraft and combat simulation.

You’re half right. ED does combat aircraft better than anyone else. In this regard there’s really no competition. Combat simulation...not so much. In fact I’d argue the combat simulation in DCS is one of its weakest aspects.

...they would never sell the numbers here to justify making them for DCS.

You have no idea how well it’s sell and neither do I.

The DCS World map and game engine just aren’t suited for this either. Civilian sims give players the entire globe to fly in. And real world weather etc.

You do realize that these are considered major drawbacks of DCS, right? The weather has been a promised update for forever and it’s badly needed. In an interview Wags himself said he was embarrassed by the clouds in DCS. And a global earth wouldn’t just open up the simulation to airliners, which I don’t care about either way, but also bomber and logistics missions, which I would love!

[Exorcet]

Not sure how gratifying it would be to fly a airliner considering DCS's map size.

 

 

The map size is enough (though it could be bigger for both civil and military). Not every flight is transatlantic. And of course there is more than can be done than just point A to B flying.

 

 

As far as flyable aircraft, I also don't see why they should be added to DCS (probably won't be able to compete with some of the existing developers in other sim's anyway and it would take away resources from more essential improvements).

They don't have to take away anything, that's the point of having 3rd party developers.

 

 

As for competing with other sims, DCS's strong point is the flight/systems modeling. That and having everything under one program is why people are asking for civil DCS modules. I can't translate into sales of one vs another, but there is definitely a spot for airliners and the like in DCS no matter how you look at it.

[Northstar98]

You’re half right. ED does combat aircraft better than anyone else. In this regard there’s really no competition. Combat simulation...not so much. In fact I’d argue the combat simulation in DCS is one of its weakest aspects.

 

You have no idea how well it’s sell and neither do I.

 

You do realize that these are considered major drawbacks of DCS, right? The weather has been a promised update for forever and it’s badly needed. In an interview Wags himself said he was embarrassed by the clouds in DCS. And a global earth wouldn’t just open up the simulation to airliners, which I don’t care about either way, but also bomber and logistics missions, which I would love!

 

This.

 

I wouldn't say no, people getting hung up on the name of DCS is pretty weak - there are hundreds of things I can think of which have XXXX in the name but don't have XXXX exclusively.

 

Now I think large civilian aircraft are unsuitable in DCS' current state, the maps simply are not large enough and there are a few features missing to make them worthwhile, such as the weather. Now somebody said that not every flight is transatlantic - true, but not every flight is a quick 300km hop either...

 

I do think priority is important I think this is pretty obvious, and I think DCS should stick to combat aircraft as that's what the focus should be, but that doesn't mean that they can be the only aircraft ever in DCS.

 

I think it would be better to say add a full-fidelity C-130 (w. multiple variants) or equivalent first, or maybe other military large aircraft

 

To those who think adding civilian/non-combat aircraft is going to remove the combat aspect, I'm sorry but just no, the TF-51D, Christen Eagle II, C-101EB and the Yak-52 are all full-fidelity modules and have they taken the combat aspect away from DCS? Didn't think so... I mean seriously, are you worried that ED are going to go "hmmm airliners, yep sounds good but sorry guys those AIM-120s are gonna have to be sacrificed" if you seriously think this then I don't have a response, to think that these aircraft are going to take the combat aspect out of DCS is farcical

Edited March 11, 2019 by Northstar98