Rhinozherous Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 Hello! I noticed that the connection point for a2a refueling is quite a distance behind the cockpit... It comes to my mind that the boom operator has a lot to do with aiming that thing in. As I am absolute no a2a expert, I wonder if this circumstance makes refueling the viper in DCS more easy or harder for us? Thank you i7-14700KF 5.6GHz Water Cooled /// ZOTAC RTX 4070 TI Super 16GB /// 32GB RAM DDR5 /// Win11 /// SSDs only DCS - XP12 - MSFS2020
Emmy Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 There are two sets of guide lights on the underside of the tanker (UP/DWN .. FWD/AFT) which the pilot uses to hit the right point in space so the Boomer can hit the receptacle on the spine of the Viper. Then you just have to pace the tanker per normal. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com
AG-51_Razor Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 Yeah, it's gonna be a Some Beee ach!! :doh: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Nealius Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 There are two sets of guide lights on the underside of the tanker (UP/DWN .. FWD/AFT) which the pilot uses to hit the right point in space so the Boomer can hit the receptacle on the spine of the Viper. Then you just have to pace the tanker per normal. I was wondering about those lights since they're practically invisible from the A-10 when tanking. I was curious if they even worked in DCS.
Emmy Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 I was wondering about those lights since they're practically invisible from the A-10 when tanking. I was curious if they even worked in DCS. They do, but I believe they are “prism-ed“ or specifically aimed for when you are further forward than where you park in a Warthog. Try the F-15 sometime... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com
probad Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 its actually easier than probe and drogue, the 'box' you need to be in is larger
Nealius Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 Ah holy hell I totally forgot I even had the F-15. That's the one jet I still haven't popped my AAR cherry with.
aileron Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 There are two sets of guide lights on the underside of the tanker (UP/DWN .. FWD/AFT) which the pilot uses to hit the right point in space so the Boomer can hit the receptacle on the spine of the Viper. Then you just have to pace the tanker per normal. Sadly, in VR they're impossible to read... At least they are in the CV1. Don't know about the Reverb, or Index.
TonyG Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 Sadly, in VR they're impossible to read... At least they are in the CV1. Don't know about the Reverb, or Index. I’ve successfully tanked quite a bit in the F-15 to see if I could do it in preparation for the Viper. The lights are very easy to read, see, use with the Rift S. 9800X3D, MSI 5080 , G.SKILL 64GB DDR5-6000, Win 11, MSI X870, 2/4TB nVME, Quest 3, OpenHornet Pit
petritis Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 I think that it might be very challenging. But that's the beauty. "ARGO 2.0 Project Phoenix" UH-1H DLC Campaign - WIP "ARGO" DCS UH-1H DLC SP Campaign
Shimmergloom667 Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 Honestly, all AAR is pretty easy, and boom AAR'ing even more so. Anyone who can AAR the F-15 and A-10 is already good to go for the Viper. i7 - 9700K | 32 GB DDR4 3200 | RTX 2080 | VKB Gunfighter Mk II /w MCG Pro | Virpil T-50CM2 Throttle | TrackIR 5 | VKB Mk. IV AJS-37 | A/V-8B | A-10C | F-14A/B | F-16C | F-18C | F-86F | FC3 | JF-17 | Ka-50 | L-39 | Mi-8 | MiG-15bis | MiG-19 | MiG-21bis | M2000-C | P-51D | Spitfire LF Mk. IX | UH-1H
Emmy Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 Viper will require a quite different head position and eye line than the Hog. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com
Shimmergloom667 Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 The same principle applies, though. i7 - 9700K | 32 GB DDR4 3200 | RTX 2080 | VKB Gunfighter Mk II /w MCG Pro | Virpil T-50CM2 Throttle | TrackIR 5 | VKB Mk. IV AJS-37 | A/V-8B | A-10C | F-14A/B | F-16C | F-18C | F-86F | FC3 | JF-17 | Ka-50 | L-39 | Mi-8 | MiG-15bis | MiG-19 | MiG-21bis | M2000-C | P-51D | Spitfire LF Mk. IX | UH-1H
Emmy Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 I guess. I know I spend more time in a neutral head position in the Hog while on the pipe but I have to look up more in the Eagle and I expect to have to look up even a little more in the Viper. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com
Gierasimov Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 Yeah, about that boomer... There are two sets of guide lights on the underside of the tanker (UP/DWN .. FWD/AFT) which the pilot uses to hit the right point in space so the Boomer can hit the receptacle on the spine of the Viper. Then you just have to pace the tanker per normal. Is the lazy boom operator still the case in DCS? It's been a while, and now I am doing basket only... legitimate question, no stir intended. Intel Ultra 9 285K :: ROG STRIX Z890-A GAMING WIFI :: Kingston Fury 64GB :: MSI RTX 4080 Gaming X Trio :: VKB Gunfighter MK.III MCG Ultimate :: VPC MongoosT-50 CM3 :: non-VR :: single player :: open beta
Shimmergloom667 Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 Lazy? Dunno, I move in place, he plugs it in, I refuel...¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i7 - 9700K | 32 GB DDR4 3200 | RTX 2080 | VKB Gunfighter Mk II /w MCG Pro | Virpil T-50CM2 Throttle | TrackIR 5 | VKB Mk. IV AJS-37 | A/V-8B | A-10C | F-14A/B | F-16C | F-18C | F-86F | FC3 | JF-17 | Ka-50 | L-39 | Mi-8 | MiG-15bis | MiG-19 | MiG-21bis | M2000-C | P-51D | Spitfire LF Mk. IX | UH-1H
Smoked Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 Cant be any worse than the Harrier... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] V55th FS | 55th DiscordViper pit Discord
Kid18120 Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 Cant be any worse than the Harrier... Refueling that baby is a pain, i should know :joystick: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Simming since 2005 My Rig: Gigabyte X470 Aorus Ultra Gaming, AMD Ryzen7 2700X, G.Skill RipJaws 32GB DDR4-3200, EVGA RTX 2070 Super Black Gaming, Corsair HX850
Deano87 Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 The F-15 is harder to refuel then the F-16 will be, at least with the Viper you just align yourself centrally with the tanker and then follow the lights. NBD. The Viper also has a refuelling control rates mode which is activated by opening the refuel door which should help to reduce the twitchiness that some aircraft exhibit on the tanker. Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again.
Shimmergloom667 Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 Cant be any worse than the Harrier... I don't get the problem with the Harrier - just memorize some visual cues once plugged in and the next times you just replicate these, done. i7 - 9700K | 32 GB DDR4 3200 | RTX 2080 | VKB Gunfighter Mk II /w MCG Pro | Virpil T-50CM2 Throttle | TrackIR 5 | VKB Mk. IV AJS-37 | A/V-8B | A-10C | F-14A/B | F-16C | F-18C | F-86F | FC3 | JF-17 | Ka-50 | L-39 | Mi-8 | MiG-15bis | MiG-19 | MiG-21bis | M2000-C | P-51D | Spitfire LF Mk. IX | UH-1H
Kid18120 Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 I don't get the problem with the Harrier - just memorize some visual cues once plugged in and the next times you just replicate these, done. Everything is easy once you get to figure it out. In DCS is even a bit "simpler" as the basket somewhat "snaps" on the probe whereas IRL you either hit or miss (but you have a few different "cues" you can't really simulate in DCS, i.e. your body feeling the plane) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Simming since 2005 My Rig: Gigabyte X470 Aorus Ultra Gaming, AMD Ryzen7 2700X, G.Skill RipJaws 32GB DDR4-3200, EVGA RTX 2070 Super Black Gaming, Corsair HX850
whaaw Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) by far the easiest plane for me is the f15 because you purely fly on lights and you look naturally on the plane, not the chute or the boom. also for teaching its way easier than anything else. I don't have to remind the student all the time to look at the fuselage because you already do. I expect the f16 to be as easy as the 15. Edited September 13, 2019 by whaaw SFMBE
XtraChrisP Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 I was wondering about those lights since they're practically invisible from the A-10 when tanking. I was curious if they even worked in DCS. Yep, work just fine. In fact, when I'm tanking in the Hawg I sidestep just a bit to the right so I can use them as a reference. It really helps me hold the correct vertical position. Technique only.
Rhinozherous Posted September 13, 2019 Author Posted September 13, 2019 Thank you guys! I think I return to A2A refueling training when the Viper is out! i7-14700KF 5.6GHz Water Cooled /// ZOTAC RTX 4070 TI Super 16GB /// 32GB RAM DDR5 /// Win11 /// SSDs only DCS - XP12 - MSFS2020
RED Posted September 14, 2019 Posted September 14, 2019 Thank you guys! I think I return to A2A refueling training when the Viper is out! Have fun! You can be proud if it looks like this (although ED needs to re-brief the tanker crew and AI wingman for the "details"):
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