FZG_Immel Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 On 9/14/2021 at 10:54 AM, twistking said: in the latest videos by wags i could not spot the bouncing clouds, so maybe (hopefully) it is already fixed internally? i also checked older videos by wags and could definitely see the jelly bounce, but it appeared to be a little bit less noticeable than it's for me on my system. this could have to do with youtube-compression, wags running higher resolution than me affecting the scaling of the cloud issue, or simply the fact that it's less obvious if you're just watching a video compared to actually playing yourself with headtracking enabled. well, i really hope that it's fixed internally now, because it is really distracting. by the way, could someone else than me confirm that jellyboucne only occurs in cockpit perspective and that clouds are perfectly stable in external view? thanks. praying that its been fixed. the lack of communication is troubling though [sIGPIC]https://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic70550_3.gif[/sIGPIC] Asus Z390-H - SSD M.2 EVO 970 - Intel I9 @5.0ghz - 32gb DDR4 4000 - EVGA 3090 - Cougar FSSB + Virpil WRBRD + Hornet Stick - Thrustmaster TPR Pedal + WinWing MIP + Orion + TO and CO pannels - Track IR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpipe Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 I have never noticed much jittering in the clouds until today's update now they are bouncing around the sky in unison quite horrifically... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter5on Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) Still not fixed... Here's a video what is the problem if you don't know how it looks. I already starting to think that it is unfixable. Edited September 17, 2021 by Peter5on 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzhat Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Incredibly unprofessional to remain so silent about such a game breaking issue. Have the respect for your customer base to acknowledge the situation and be honest about any work you "might" be doing to fix it. I say "might" as there is no evidence that anything is being done. If my tone offends anybody I couldn't care less so don't bother being a white night for the devs or trying to prove what a good guy you are. I simply do not care about you or your opinion in any way whatsoever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 It was not that pronounced in the last OB, but now, it returns... 1 VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants -- this is how I fly. We do not fly at treetop height, we fly between trees(TM) YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc9BDi-STaqgWsjNiHbW0fA My simple missions: https://forum.dcs.world/topic/284071-vr-flight-guy-in-pj-pants-simple-missions/ The contents of DCS World are so overwhelming to me: so many things to try, so many things to revisit. For now, whining about new products being late does not make much sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpipe Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 10 hours ago, azzhat said: Incredibly unprofessional to remain so silent about such a game breaking issue. Have the respect for your customer base to acknowledge the situation and be honest about any work you "might" be doing to fix it. I say "might" as there is no evidence that anything is being done. If my tone offends anybody I couldn't care less so don't bother being a white night for the devs or trying to prove what a good guy you are. I simply do not care about you or your opinion in any way whatsoever. Prob should just write them a support ticket instead of posting on a "forum", you know..."a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged". This includes views on your own views which are, as it happens... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 This issue was reported internally two months ago. Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FZG_Immel Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 ok. do you think its being worked on ? [sIGPIC]https://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic70550_3.gif[/sIGPIC] Asus Z390-H - SSD M.2 EVO 970 - Intel I9 @5.0ghz - 32gb DDR4 4000 - EVGA 3090 - Cougar FSSB + Virpil WRBRD + Hornet Stick - Thrustmaster TPR Pedal + WinWing MIP + Orion + TO and CO pannels - Track IR5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 I think this issue has not been deemed as important as some other issues which are actively being worked on. To be honest, I rarely see these jumpy clouds when I'm enjoying a mission. I mean, they become pretty obvious when I see them dancing, but I rarely do. Anyway, this issue needs to be fixed like other issues, but I'm afraid we'll have to wait a little longer. Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistking Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 On 9/22/2021 at 11:21 PM, Flappie said: I think this issue has not been deemed as important as some other issues which are actively being worked on. To be honest, I rarely see these jumpy clouds when I'm enjoying a mission. I mean, they become pretty obvious when I see them dancing, but I rarely do. Anyway, this issue needs to be fixed like other issues, but I'm afraid we'll have to wait a little longer. that's really bad news. i cannot use the more visually "spectacular" weather presets, because the bouncing really throws me out of the illusion. i'm pretty confident that the bouncing scales to some degree with resolution (it's a bit hard to obectively tell, because graphics and clouds look overall nicer on higher res, while my old pc cannot deliver 60fps when going above 1080p. when not getting the 60fps though the jitter appears a little different. that makes it harder to compare. i would probably have to artificially lock framerate at 30 for both tests, but i am not in the mood for this kind of scientific testing. i'm on stable branch for a reason). i beg you to lower your resolution to 1080p, choose a "broken" or "overcast" preset and fly above the first cloud layer. jittering/bouncing should be obvious. if all the devs and betatesters play on 1440 or higher for them the issue may appear less severe, but i guess that a majority of players is still on 1080p. i've pixelpeeped some of matt wagner's videos and the issue seems to be the same on his rig. bouncy/jittering clouds in cockpit, stable clouds in external view. however the issue is less severe and honestly barely noticeable. i assume this is because of the higher resolution he runs and/or the youtube compression which doesn't play well with those micro movements. 2 My personal wishlist after half a decade with DCS: https://forum.dcs.world/topic/184968-my-personal-wishlist-after-half-a-decade-with-dcs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 9 hours ago, twistking said: i beg you to lower your resolution to 1080p, choose a "broken" or "overcast" preset and fly above the first cloud layer. jittering/bouncing should be obvious. if all the devs and betatesters play on 1440 or higher for them the issue may appear less severe, but i guess that a majority of players is still on 1080p. I had been playing on 1920x1200 for years, and I just upgraded to a 3440x1440 monitor a week ago. I'm pretty sure the issue will be the same. I'll have a go at it. I think the issue is way more noticeable when you're the one holding the stick, because you're expecting clouds to move in a certain direction and they don't. When watching a video of the issue, this is way less noticeable. I know because I did several videos of it already. Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironhand Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 On 9/26/2021 at 6:13 AM, twistking said: i beg you to lower your resolution to 1080p, choose a "broken" or "overcast" preset and fly above the first cloud layer. jittering/bouncing should be obvious. if all the devs and betatesters play on 1440 or higher for them the issue may appear less severe, but i guess that a majority of players is still on 1080p. It never occurred to me that monitor resolution might be a factor. I still use an antiquated 720p 32” monitor and have never experienced this problem. Perhaps that’s why. Specifically went searching for it this AM using several broken and overcast presets and never saw anything other than the odd diagonal banding that I always seem to get. YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 10 Pro x64, ASUS Z97 Pro MoBo, Intel i7-4790K, EVGA GTX 970 4GB, HyperX Savage 32GB, Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SSD, 2x Seagate Hybrid Drive 2TB Raid 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I've just tested again, but this time in 3440x1440. It's harder to notice but the weird effect is still there. Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
River Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Think ED can't fix it. Those wobble clouds kill the whole sim experience. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter5on Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 On 10/13/2021 at 1:30 PM, River said: Think ED can't fix it. Those wobble clouds kill the whole sim experience. It will be fixed with Vulcan. At least i hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven (Elysian Angel) Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Just to add my own experience: When flying the ED quickstart missions (especially the F-16 ones) the clouds jitter and shimmer like mad, which is not a pleasant experience in VR. But that's simply because those missions are old and don't support the new cloud system by default: if you open them in the ME, you see that there is no preset selected. I have no issues with the presets other than the very profound framerate impact when I get close to them, but today's newsletter confirmed they still need to add cloud support for the new rendering pipeline, so I'm confident it will be fixed in due time. Spoiler Ryzen 9 5900X | 64GB G.Skill TridentZ 3600 | Gigabyte RX6900XT | ASUS ROG Strix X570-E GAMING | Samsung 990Pro 2TB + 960Pro 1TB NMVe | HP Reverb G2 Pro Flight Trainer Puma | VIRPIL MT-50CM2+3 base / CM2 x2 grip with 200 mm S-curve extension + CM3 throttle + CP2/3 + FSSB R3L + VPC Rotor TCS Plus base with SharKa-50 grip mounted on Monstertech MFC-1 | TPR rudder pedals OpenXR | PD 1.0 | 100% render resolution | DCS "HIGH" preset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0bl00i Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Since I upgraded to a 3080 this is a massive issue with some of the cloud presets. Running at Ultra clouds. Any fix been announced yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heroman30 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 I still have this issue in the latest patch. Instead of using MSAA X4, the only way to make it less severe is to use SAA 1.5 and MSAA x 2 (playing at 1440p). This will obviously hit fps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordfacker84 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 and what about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heroman30 Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 @BIGNEWY Is there any chance we could have an update on this issue at all? And whether it will be fixed in the next planned open beta release? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye_UK Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) Yep i posted on a similar topic only a few days ago - what has happened? ED state VR is a priority to them but it needs to be evidenced as currently im sure many VR users will have seen little development. When the clouds first came out, given it was long awaited it was disappointing to note that VR was put on the back burner and released in a pretty poor state, and since the update back at the start of the year no more has been done to address this issue. Didnt realise that this was affecting pancake mode also! Post and OP does need an update surely? On 10/24/2021 at 9:24 PM, Lordfacker84 said: and what about this? Yep this is exactly what i see in VR, just add shimmer and slight up and down movement. Its alwasy the clouds in the distance but it does make some weather settings shocking and totally immersion breaking. I do recall seeing when they released the new weather, what 10 months ago that this was just the initial attempt and that apart from presets we would have control over the cloud layers - Silence after that point, has anyone head anything more? Maybe i missed something ? Edited November 8, 2021 by Hawkeye_UK 2 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DCS & BMS F4E | F14B | AV-8B | F15E | F18C | F16C | F5 | F86 | A10C | JF17 | Viggen |Mirage 2000 | F1 | L-39 | C101 | Mig15 | Mig21 | Mig29 | SU27 | SU33 | F15C | AH64 | MI8 | Mi24 | Huey | KA50 | Gazelle | P47 | P51 | BF109 | FW190A/D | Spitfire | Mossie | CA | Persian Gulf | Nevada | Normandy | Channel | Syria | South Atlantic | Sinai | Kola Liquid Cooled ROG 690 13700K @ 5.9Ghz | RTX3090 FTW Ultra | 64GB DDR4 3600 MHz | 2x2TB SSD m2 Samsung 980/990 | Pimax Crystal/Reverb G2 | MFG Crosswinds | Virpil T50/CM3 | Winwing & Cougar MFD's | Buddyfox UFC | Winwing TOP & CP | Jetseat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladimusmaximus Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 I've been having pixelated, striped and odd looking clouds in none-vr as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heroman30 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Please can anyone confirm that this issue still exists since OB 2.7.9.18080? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ithronwise Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 (edited) I confirm, it is still there, less strong than before in my opinion but it still exists. Edited December 30, 2021 by Ithronwise ASUS ROG Strix B450-F Gaming, AMD Ryzen 3800X, 64 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-3000, ASUS TUF Gaming Radeon RX 6800 XT, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 250 GB (OS), Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 1 TB (DCS World), Gigabyte G27QC Gaming Monitor, DelanClip Gamer, WINWING F-16EX Metal Flightstick with Orion2 Joystick Base, WINWING F-15EX II Metal Throttle with Orion2 Throttle Base, WINWING PTO 2 Take Off Panel, VIRPIL Controls Ace Flight Pedals, Buddy-Fox A-10C UFC, Thrustmaster MFD Cougar Pack, Windows 10 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJ Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 try to use a server to host a mission. I don't have any jitter problems then and heavy missions run way faster...takes 1min to run, but has massive advantages... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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