Wolf359 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 Has anyone tried running DCS on Windows 11 yet? Curious to how it performs. Rig: Alienware Aurora R9 - 9th Gen Core i7 9700K 4.6GHz 8 Cores | NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8GB GDDR6 | 2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD | 64GB Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO SL DDR4 3200MHz XMP 2.0 | LG Series80 QNED 50in 4K 120hz | TM Warthog HOTAS w/F-18 grip | Logitech G Pro RP | TM Cougar MFDs | TrackIR 5 Pro | VR: Oculus Quest 2 | Modules: FC3 | F/A-18C | F-16C | A-10C II | F-14 | M-2000C | AV-8B | F-5E | JF-17 | P-51D | KA-50iii | UH-1H | AH-64D | Supercarrier | Combined Arms | Nevada | Persian Gulf | Syria | Normandy | Chanel | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leg2ion Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Wolf359 said: Has anyone tried running DCS on Windows 11 yet? Curious to how it performs. Didn't think it was available until end 2021/early 2022 - just Microsoft seems to have gone overboard on its ad campaign?? 1 AMD Ryzen 5 5600X; ASUS ROG Strix X570-F, Corsair Vengeance 64 GB (2x 32GB) 3600MHz; Seagate FireCuda 510 500GB M.2-2280 (OS); Samsung 860 EVO 2TB M.2-2280 (DCS); MSI GeForce RTX 3090 SUPRIM X 24GB OC GPU. TM Warthog Hotas; T.Flight Pedals; DelanClip/Trackhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agrasyuk Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 Very good question. I'm very curious about this as well. While we at it I'm wondering if anyone tried windows 12 yet. 2 Anton. My pit build thread . Simple and cheap UFC project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf359 Posted July 1, 2021 Author Share Posted July 1, 2021 58 minutes ago, Leg2ion said: Didn't think it was available until end 2021/early 2022 - just Microsoft seems to have gone overboard on its ad campaign?? Developer model available. I installed on my laptop a few days ago. So far, it feels pretty stable for dev model. Rig: Alienware Aurora R9 - 9th Gen Core i7 9700K 4.6GHz 8 Cores | NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8GB GDDR6 | 2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD | 64GB Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO SL DDR4 3200MHz XMP 2.0 | LG Series80 QNED 50in 4K 120hz | TM Warthog HOTAS w/F-18 grip | Logitech G Pro RP | TM Cougar MFDs | TrackIR 5 Pro | VR: Oculus Quest 2 | Modules: FC3 | F/A-18C | F-16C | A-10C II | F-14 | M-2000C | AV-8B | F-5E | JF-17 | P-51D | KA-50iii | UH-1H | AH-64D | Supercarrier | Combined Arms | Nevada | Persian Gulf | Syria | Normandy | Chanel | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangerzone Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 (edited) I'm hesitant - it's one of the 'off' builds... (Every 2nd build seemed to be off from my personal experience for what I tend to find good in an OS - or versions I would have happily missed). Win 3.1 - Good Win 95 - Off Win 98 - Good Win ME - Off Win XP - Good Win Vista - Off Win 7 - Good Win 8 - Off Win 10 - Good ... so I reckon for at least my preferences (which the above reflects) - that I might skip this one. Not that I'm superstitious - I just think that there's a pattern there where Microsoft seem to get it better '2nd time around'. (Yes - I know Win2K isn't listed - but that wasn't so much a home version, that was more NT / enterprise based)... However I have heard reports (although probably exaggerated) that there is some performance gain. If this is true - I could be tempted to give it a shot. Edited July 2, 2021 by Dangerzone 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leg2ion Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 11 hours ago, Wolf359 said: Developer model available. I installed on my laptop a few days ago. So far, it feels pretty stable for dev model. Only one way to find out I guess - looking forward to your report... 1 AMD Ryzen 5 5600X; ASUS ROG Strix X570-F, Corsair Vengeance 64 GB (2x 32GB) 3600MHz; Seagate FireCuda 510 500GB M.2-2280 (OS); Samsung 860 EVO 2TB M.2-2280 (DCS); MSI GeForce RTX 3090 SUPRIM X 24GB OC GPU. TM Warthog Hotas; T.Flight Pedals; DelanClip/Trackhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platypus Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 (edited) Running smooth for me. No difference in performance that I can tell from Win10. No regrets. Not one glitch after 4 days. Edited July 5, 2021 by Platypus 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 On 7/2/2021 at 5:17 AM, Dangerzone said: I'm hesitant - it's one of the 'off' builds... (Every 2nd build seemed to be off from my personal experience for what I tend to find good in an OS - or versions I would have happily missed). Win 3.1 - Good Win 95 - Off Win 98 - Good Win ME - Off Win XP - Good Win Vista - Off Win 7 - Good Win 8 - Off Win 10 - Good ... so I reckon for at least my preferences (which the above reflects) - that I might skip this one. Not that I'm superstitious - I just think that there's a pattern there where Microsoft seem to get it better '2nd time around'. (Yes - I know Win2K isn't listed - but that wasn't so much a home version, that was more NT / enterprise based)... However I have heard reports (although probably exaggerated) that there is some performance gain. If this is true - I could be tempted to give it a shot. I cannot deny the truth above, LoL. So far it runs ok in a virtual machine with nothing to do. On a workhorse machine it may look totally different. Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ala13_ManOWar Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 (edited) On 7/2/2021 at 5:17 AM, Dangerzone said: Win 98 - Good While your general idea is quite true, that one on the other hand breaks your whole point… What a piece of crap W98 was. Anyway, Microsoft already thought for you what version you could use, W10 support ends in 2025 and I'm not sure there'll already be a W12 by then. S! Edited July 6, 2021 by Ala13_ManOWar 1 "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drPhibes Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 95 worked quite well (especially after the OSR2 service pack), but the first release of 98 was more of the "if it compiles, ship it" variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ala13_ManOWar Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 2 hours ago, drPhibes said: 95 worked quite well (especially after the OSR2 service pack), but the first release of 98 was more of the "if it compiles, ship it" variety. For the History shall remain that Bill Gates ctrl+alt+supr for three times, thrice, while presenting their brand new superfashion latest OS now (then) with a 10% fewer BSDs . S! 1 "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjordmonkey Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 (edited) I'm running Win11 now, and have two issues. The first is a massive FPS-hit on all maps (sitting at 16-20 where I sat at 45-55 while on Win10), and the second is that I can't even load Marianas at all. Doing a driverupdate on the Vidcard now to see if it helps. Edit: Driverupdate for the GTX1660Super didn't help, but I did manage to get into Marianas through the Mission Editor. Fast Mission goes up to 9% before it just poofs out of existence. The game itself doesn't crash, however. Will do some more testing, but taking that large an FPS-hit is a no-go for me. If I can't solve it I'm reverting back to Win10. Edited July 21, 2021 by ShadowXP 1 Regards Fjordmonkey Clustermunitions is just another way of saying that you don't like someone. I used to like people, then people ruined that for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruizzzzer Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 So today I upgraded to win11, but needed to return to win10 for DCS... unfortunately, as win11 looks pretty neat. Desktop feels snappy and runs very smooth. BUT... DCS needs to be tuned for win11, or the other way round. I am running DCS in VR and on win10 it runs just smooth. With win11 I had extreme stutters and lags, both in the cockpit and while looking "outside". Scenario was on top of clouds for a CASE III recovery... My machine: 11900k, 3090, 4tb nvme, G2 as VR and all drivers are up to date... When either DCS is tuned for win11, or after a while when win11 has received some updates, I will certainly return. But just right now, win11 is no option for me on the gaming PC as it is mainly used for DCS... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoxen Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Thanks, enough information so far to take the decision to wait and see. 1 AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus, 64GB Crucial Ballistix DDR4-3600 CL16, Asus TUF Gaming RTX 4080 OC, Windows 10 64bit Home Premium, TrackIR 5 with TrackClip: Pro!, Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base + TM Warthog Stick + 7cm extension + WINWING Orion 2 with F-15EX grips, Cougar MFDs with 8" displays, Saitek Rudder Pedals, Samsung Odyssey G9 49" 5120x1440 @120 Hz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeagle Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Works good for me. No issues. No noticeable fps drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucShep Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 (edited) Nope. Thanks but no thanks. We've been jerked around enough by M$ already. I'll be sticking with Win10 - and would've stood instead with Win7 if I could - for the foreseeable future. The folowing may not be a concen for the majority for now, but it is definitely a concern for the future. And I personally can't agree with this VBS cripling gaming performance BS - hence why I won't pay nor use this product in my systems. https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/windows-11-pcs-can-hobble-gaming-performance/ Edited October 5, 2021 by LucShep 1 CGTC Caucasus retexture mod | A-10A cockpit retexture mod | Shadows reduced impact mod | DCS 2.5.6 (the best version for performance, VR or 2D) = aka Luke Marqs; call sign "Ducko" = Spoiler Win10 Pro x64 | Intel i7 12700K (@5.1/5.0p + 3.9e) | 64GB DDR4 @3466 CL16 (Crucial Ballistix) | RTX 3090 24GB EVGA FTW3 Ultra | 2TB NVMe (MP600 Pro XT) + 500GB SSD (WD Blue) + 3TB HDD (Toshiba P300) + 1TB HDD (WD Blue) | Corsair RMX 850W | Asus Z690 TUF+ D4 | TR PA120SE | Fractal Meshify C | UAD Volt1 + Sennheiser HD-599SE | 7x USB 3.0 Hub | 50'' 4K Philips 7608/12 UHD TV (+Head Tracking) | HP Reverb G1 Pro (VR) | TM Warthog + Logitech X56 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 (edited) I've been working with Windows 11 outside of home now for a few months as my employer is testing it in the field before we launch our Windows 11 Upgrade project next month, That being said, in limited time I've had with Windows 11 at home, I didnt have any issues with DCS. This was limited to about 30 minutes of launching, flying and closing the Sim just to test GPU Performance vs Windows 10. They are pretty much on par for older GPUs (2011 MSI R7970 Lightnings) Once I get significant time off, I will fully migrate to windows 11 on my gaming laptop, my desktop will stay Windows 10 for the time being as not all of my Rendering and Graphics Software suites are supported. or I might just get another M2 and dual boot. On 10/5/2021 at 11:21 AM, Cruizzzzer said: So today I upgraded to win11, but needed to return to win10 for DCS... unfortunately, as win11 looks pretty neat. Desktop feels snappy and runs very smooth. BUT... DCS needs to be tuned for win11, or the other way round. I am running DCS in VR and on win10 it runs just smooth. With win11 I had extreme stutters and lags, both in the cockpit and while looking "outside". Scenario was on top of clouds for a CASE III recovery... My machine: 11900k, 3090, 4tb nvme, G2 as VR and all drivers are up to date... When either DCS is tuned for win11, or after a while when win11 has received some updates, I will certainly return. But just right now, win11 is no option for me on the gaming PC as it is mainly used for DCS... if I had to be honest, I would wait at least 3 months for nVidia and AMD to Release Optimized Drivers for the new Driver Model. Edited October 7, 2021 by SkateZilla Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjordmonkey Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 An update on my end: I ended up just wiping the entire system due to the framerate-issues in DCS (yes, I AM that level of maniac) and reinstalled the at-the-time latest Beta-build from USB. Since that time I've been happily running Win 11 without any issues what so ever, and even gained 3-7 fps in DCS overall. Usually sitting at between 45 and 50 on the ground in Caucasus and PG, about 40 on the ground on Syria. I don't run VR, so cannot comment at all on how that behaves. Specs: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 on a ASUS TUF B450M-PRO mobo, 32Gb G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4 3200Mhz RAM. DCS installed on its own 512Gb m.2 NVME SSD, system running on a 256Gb m.2 NVME. ASUS GeForce 1660 Super 6Gb Vidcard, latest drivers. 32" QHD-monitor with a 27" QHD as secondary. No overclocking of any kind. Have had zero issues with other games (Diablo III, Aliens Fireteam Elite, Battletech, Outriders, Elite Dangerous, Star Citizen etc). Haven't done any direct comparisons between framerates from Win10 to WIn11 on any except DCS, mostly since I haven't noticed any issues in the first place. Wiped my workflaptop (HP ZBook 14u G5) and installed the release-build of Win11 on it. Zero issues with any of the workloads I have on it. Take it for what it's worth, but so far I'd have to say that the main differences for me with Win11 are all visual. 1 Regards Fjordmonkey Clustermunitions is just another way of saying that you don't like someone. I used to like people, then people ruined that for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Exulte Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 https://www.google.com/amp/s/beebom.com/how-disable-virtualization-based-security-vbs-windows-11/amp/ It took less than ten seconds to Google how to disable it. I don't get these ''humbug'' reactions everytime technology changes. There's always a way to debloat, unscrew, whatever. 2 Де вороги, знайдуться козаки їх перемогти. 5800x3d * 3090 * 64gb * Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjordmonkey Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 KB5006746 dropped for me today, which fixes the L3-cache latency-issues for AMD-CPU's. Haven't tested things with DCS yet but will do so a bit later today. Regards Fjordmonkey Clustermunitions is just another way of saying that you don't like someone. I used to like people, then people ruined that for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 My 8700k runs OK on 11, a few things get annoying, for example the left-mouse-click bug in File Explorer but that is minor and likely to get fixed. With my new 5900X I am sticking to 10 for now. Not even trying to think about installing it, LoL. Man, this 5900X flies...on 10 :=) 1 Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) I ran into a distorted sound issue under high load and the Realtek Audio Control won't let me split front and rear audio out into 2 separate jacks, which I think it should do as of 2021 and that kind of board. So...after trying many things that didnt fix the sound issues I am trying out 11.... let's see if it fixes the sound issue, heck, there is always something... PXE doesnt work on that board, which is a pain... I like to install via PXE and it errors out when connecting to the WDS....LoL Edited October 21, 2021 by BitMaster Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldur Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) On 10/6/2021 at 1:01 AM, LucShep said: Thanks for posting that. When I watched the show that made me decide I definately won't upgrade to Win 11 before 2025, when they'll cut off Win 10 support. I mean, even Windows 10 still is in Early Access right now... Edited October 21, 2021 by Eldur 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
applesinduck Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Just reverted back to Windows 10. The main issue I had was the fact that they decided to incorporate "foreground prioritization" into Windows 11. After a few months of testing (since Insiders build), this is a total disaster for flight simmers who run Opentrack in the background/tray while DCS is on the "foreground". This led to Opentrack being heavily throttled when it's minimized or when I'm running a fullscreen application, resulting in a choppy head movement. So yes, Thanks Microsoft! 1 Intel Core i5 2500K, 12.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3, Z68X-UD3-B3, GTX 1080 (ZOTAC International), SSD 850 EVO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Kazansky Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Is there any info from Microsoft about how long Win11 is planed to be the latest OS? I mean are there plans for Win12 (e.g. in 2025) or is Win11 planed to stay the same "forever" that Win10 should at release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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