Afterburner detent

[rem27]

The afterburner start at 54% of my throttle stick. Is it normal?

thanks in advance

best regards

Rem27

[Mean Old Man]

I don't know if this is normal, since I never have flown an Mirage F-1, but I have set the X-seturation to 60% for my Warthog throttle with push-through detents, so I do not inadvertently go into afterburner.

[Agrrregat]

For Warthog 72% X Saturation is perfect with detent

Edited July 21, 2022 by Agrrregat

[AlienAlien]

Or a -10 curve, fine for me.

[Japo32]

would be nice to add a toggle function for afterburner as the F18 has. For us that don't have the fisical detent and don't want to just be looking at the 3D throttle to see if it changes to afterburner.

[Sarge55]

A -9 curve worked for mine.

I think you lose the full range of the throttle if you use saturation to align the AB detent.

[rem27]

Thank you guys for answers

appreciate 

[HoMeBoY]

Same issue here.

I have the Virpil CM-3 with both idle and afterburner detents. All other DCS modules (including the Mirage 2000) consistently uses a saturation of 70 and curve around 15-20% and they perfectly match the end of full military with the beginning of the AB.

But with the F1 the AB get engaged about half way of my throttle position. If I push the curves too much it becomes too abrupt in other situations

[cmbaviator]

need advice for my X56 throttle please

[Biggus]

My experience is much the same with a Winwing Orion.  I went for 0-20-36-47-54-60-66-73-81-89-100.  I'm sure I'll need to tweak it a bit more, though.

I also noticed there's no marker for 'detent' on the controls overlay.

[cmbaviator]

50 minutes ago, Biggus said:

My experience is much the same with a Winwing Orion.  I went for 0-20-36-47-54-60-66-73-81-89-100.  I'm sure I'll need to tweak it a bit more, though.

I also noticed there's no marker for 'detent' on the controls overlay.

Could you please explain what those number means/represents please ?

[Leviathan667]

I've just been fine tuning the AB detent (Warthog Hotas). I'm sharing the values I use:

Automatic curve (non user and non slider)

Mirage F1CE	Deadzone	Saturation X	Saturation Y	Curvature	Slider	Invert	User curve	Axis tune
Thrust	0	100	100	23	N	N	N	JOY_Z

Issues: works well with the physical AB detent. But the engine is too sensitive to throttle movement at low RPM. So, I am trying to find a way around using a manual curve or a slider curve.

 

User curve (non slider)

Mirage F1CE	Deadzone	Saturation X	Saturation Y	Curvature	Slider	Invert	User curve	Axis tune
Thrust	0	100	100	N.A.	N	N	Y	JOY_Z

Column	A	B	C	D	E	F	G	H	I	J	k
Value	0	3	5	10	15	26	44	59	73	85	100
Result	AB	AB	AB	Full mil.

 

User curve with slider

Mirage F1CE	Deadzone	Saturation X	Saturation Y	Curvature	Slider	Invert	User curve	Axis tune
Thrust	0	100	100	N.A.	Y	N	Y	JOY_Z

 

Column	A	B	C	D	E	F	G	H	I	J	k
Value	0	18	31	43	52	61	69	78	86	94	100
Result	AB	AB	AB	Full mil.

 

I hope this helps. And if someone may further refine on these values, it would be awesome.

 

 

[Jef Costello]

Thank you so much for sharing Leviathan667

[jojo]

9 hours ago, HoMeBoY said:

Same issue here.

I have the Virpil CM-3 with both idle and afterburner detents. All other DCS modules (including the Mirage 2000) consistently uses a saturation of 70 and curve around 15-20% and they perfectly match the end of full military with the beginning of the AB.

But with the F1 the AB get engaged about half way of my throttle position. If I push the curves too much it becomes too abrupt in other situations

For Mirage 2000, you have Special Options menu where you can set cut off and AB detent in %.
The rest is done for you. 

For Mirage F1 CE,null I agree that the default AB detent is too soon. I also have Virpil CM3 and I needed to go as far to set it correctly with the detents.

Edited July 22, 2022 by jojo

[Biggus]

14 hours ago, cmbaviator said:

Could you please explain what those number means/represents please ?

If you apply the user curve option, these are values for different segments of throttle travel.  They're effectively a multiplier for the value assigned to each throttle position.

[FoxTwo]

If you drop the numbers into the detent calculator you can get a curve for any module and for any throttle hardware.

In my case my detent kicks in at 28. The Mirage F1 hits max MIL power at 43 and goes into AB at 42, so my curve looks like this:

[Nealius]

I tried the slider curves for the Warthog with default detent but it didn't work. Too much unused range near idle and afterburner kicks in too early. I found a simple curve of +20 results in linear movement from the idle stop all the way to the end of AB, with the in-game AB detent matching perfectly with my WH detent.

[Riesling]

Already posted my settings in another thread, but could be useful for Thrustmaster TWCS Thottle owners. 

 

 

[Bailey]

You can try this: 

 

[DP Spaz]

I'm using a TM T16000 Throttle, finally figured out the settings to make throttle response more usable.  The afterburner kicks in exactly at my detent @75%.  I have the slider modification installed that adds slide bearings and magnets to provide an afterburner detent, its not a stock configured TM16000 Throttle.

Saturation X is set to 95 as the modification results in some loss of travel, this ensures you get 0%/100% at both extremes.

I just figured it out, will do some flying with this setting and tweak as necessary.  I'll post an update if there are any significant changes. 

[killkenny1]

On 7/22/2022 at 8:28 PM, Leviathan667 said:

I've just been fine tuning the AB detent (Warthog Hotas). I'm sharing the values I use:

Automatic curve (non user and non slider)

 

 

Mirage F1CE	Deadzone	Saturation X	Saturation Y	Curvature	Slider	Invert	User curve	Axis tune
Thrust	0	100	100	23	N	N	N	JOY_Z

Issues: works well with the physical AB detent. But the engine is too sensitive to throttle movement at low RPM. So, I am trying to find a way around using a manual curve or a slider curve.

 

User curve (non slider)

 

Mirage F1CE	Deadzone	Saturation X	Saturation Y	Curvature	Slider	Invert	User curve	Axis tune
Thrust	0	100	100	N.A.	N	N	Y	JOY_Z

 

Column	A	B	C	D	E	F	G	H	I	J	k
Value	0	3	5	10	15	26	44	59	73	85	100
Result	AB	AB	AB	Full mil.

 

User curve with slider

 

Mirage F1CE	Deadzone	Saturation X	Saturation Y	Curvature	Slider	Invert	User curve	Axis tune
Thrust	0	100	100	N.A.	Y	N	Y	JOY_Z

 

 

Column	A	B	C	D	E	F	G	H	I	J	k
Value	0	18	31	43	52	61	69	78	86	94	100
Result	AB	AB	AB	Full mil.

 

I hope this helps. And if someone may further refine on these values, it would be awesome.

 

 

Amazing, helped with throttle a lot!

[firefox121]

this is my curve setup with my winwing orion, and fits perfect withe the orion hotas base throttle detents.

 

[ak22]

I went into the special options menu and changed the afterburner detent their 

Edited March 8, 2023 by ak22