not planned or correct for version AIM-7 for F-16CM

[mytai01]

I know F-16 uses AIM-7, so where is it?

[razo+r]

Ours doesn't so we don't have it and we won't get it. 

[skywalker22]

... and even if it would be, who would actually use it? I know I wouldn't.

Edited December 28, 2022 by skywalker22

[tomcat_driver]

Speak for yourself, I would.

[Tholozor]

Only very specific variants ever had AIM-7 (notably the Block 15 ADF in U.S. service and the Iraqi Block 52s).

[Dragon1-1]

The Gulf War era Vipers only had Sidewinders, with Sparrows being used by the F-15s. It might have been because the early F-16s had such poor radar that Sparrows were thought to be besides the point. Remember, at the time the Viper was still a cheap, lightweight dogfighter at heart.

[Hobel]

vor 7 Stunden schrieb skywalker22:

... and even if it would be, who would actually use it? I know I wouldn't.

 

For late cold war scenarios this would be fantastic!

[skywalker22]

2 hours ago, Hobel said:

For late cold war scenarios this would be fantastic!

That would surely be ok, but I had in mind comparing it with more modern missiles

[F-2]

I think all F-16 block 40,42,50,52 have the software to fire sparrow, and in theory it can be applied to block 25,30,32 aircraft (I’m not sure it ever has) However Sparrow requires a special hard point that most operators simply never ordered by most. Egypt, Iraq, Singapore, and Bahrain I believe are the only ones that did. Bahrain *might* have carried AIM-7F on their block 40 vipers in the Gulf war. There are pictures of the timeframe with the missile but no exact date. The jets where factory fresh and the missiles where ordered in the late 80s but nothing definitive.

Edited December 29, 2022 by F-2

[SkateZilla]

AIM-7s were tested and deployed on F-16A/Bs and the ADF in the SMS Via LAU-115 on Stations 3/7.

it was never deployed on the USAF F-16C's, as they had the AIM-120s from IOC onward, AIM-120s were Lighter and had better range/accuracy.

[DukeAngus]

in this video this F-16A pilot says they never had sparrows because politically with something f-15 Do Something. 

 

 

@SkateZilla I would love to see the documentation, that says they did

[QuiGon]

23 hours ago, Hobel said:

For late cold war scenarios this would be fantastic!

It would not, as they flew with Sidewinders only back then. Adding Sparrows to them would be unrealistic.

[Hobel]

vor 12 Minuten schrieb QuiGon:

It would not, as they flew with Sidewinders only back then. Adding Sparrows to them would be unrealistic.

our version?
otherwise there are enough other F16s that have at least tested the Aim7.

thoretically possible

maybe one day, it would give our sanbox even more possibilities

Edited December 29, 2022 by Hobel

[QuiGon]

43 minutes ago, Hobel said:

our version?
otherwise there are enough other F16s that have at least tested the Aim7.

Indeed and if we get such an F-16 variant in DCS (e.g. the US ANG F-16A Blk. 15 ADF variant or some export variants), then it for sure should have the AIM-7.

The USAF Blk. 50 F-16 that we do have in DCS currently never had the AIM-7 IRL, so it doesn't have it in DCS either. Just like the F-5E doesn't have AMRAAMs in DCS, although some other F-5 variants do have them IRL.

Edited December 29, 2022 by QuiGon

[QuiGon]

2 hours ago, gortex said:

A little flexibility for mission makers is OK in my opinion.  We are allowed to design all kinds of unrealistic scenarios in this game.  Heck, most of the multi-player combat is blue vs blue.  If someone wants to put an inferior missile on the F-16, let him.  It is less implausible than 90% of what you see in the list of public multi-player maps.

Unrealistic scenarios: yes.
Unrealistic aircraft modules: no

[F-2]

I was wondering if it would be ok for the AI F-16 to gain AIM-7 capabilities for different scenarios. We have and AI MLU, the Taiwanese version of which uses AIM-7 and a block 50, the Iraqi and Singapore block 52 use. Could the AI versions get this?

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

18 minutes ago, gortex said:

Some other F-16 block uses the Aim-7, we don't have that block, and so you say allowing that weapon for our F-16 is "unrealistic."  I think you construe that word too strictly.

It's correct, though. In use, mostly just F-16As ever utilized the Sparrow and in limited numbers relative to the fleet. In US service, only the ADFs of the Air National Guard. From early on, the F-16 had the AIM-120 AMRAAM in mind.

We do not have that mark of Viper and ED has outright said they do not plan to include it. As fun as using semi-actives are, it's not in the cards. The F-16 we have does not launch AIM-7s, it would seem. They've chosen to model a US F-16C, thus AMRAAMs, not Sparrows.

Sparrows on Vipers are, more often than not, export cases such as the F-16IQ of Iraq.

Edited January 9, 2023 by MiG21bisFishbedL

[F-2]

F-16s that use sparrow

 

F-16ADF (USA, Italy, Jordan, Pakistan, Thailand?)

Bahrain Block 40 (no IFF bird splitter? Possibly during the gulf war, only AIM-7F operator?)

Egypt Block 40 (often reported that the block 32 can but it does not seem to be the case)

Singapore Block 52

Iraq block 52

Taiwan Block 20

 

 

I think all Block 40/42 and 50/52 have the software to fire sparrow but require special hard points that only a few operators ordered.

[BIGNEWY]

Hi all, 

we have no plans to add the AIM-7 for our F-16. 

This will not change. 

Thank you

[Spectrum48k]

Just a simple one, why cant the F-16 carry Sparrow missiles in DCS as I have seen photographs of real F-16 carrying them?

[darkman222]

Apparently not our DCS F16 version

 

[bones1014]

I don't think the block 50 ever carried them.