No FCR in the “2023 and Beyond” video

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

It is a tiny bit disappointing. What do you think?

[Tiger-II]

"Tiny bit"? Isn't it major functionality that is currently missing?

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

Woah that is disappointing if it is indeed the case. 

[admiki]

Did they show any other system? I see these videos as major items show. Yes, FCR is important system of Apache, but not that much in whole DCS world. 

It'll come.

[tomcat_driver]

Disappointing. It is a major system for the Apache Longbow and DCS.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Personally I would take it as is for now, cause I am still (struggling) learning to fly the thing.

[sirrah]

FCR not shown in the 2023 and beyond video doesn't automatically mean we won't see it happen in 2023. I'm sure there are more features coming to DCS in 2023 that were not shown in this short video.

 

But I guess my glass is just half full

 

[Ephedrin]

vor 1 Minute schrieb sirrah:

FCR not shown in the 2023 and beyond video doesn't automatically mean we won't see it happen in 2023. I'm sure there are more features coming to DCS in 2023 that were not shown in this short video.

 

But I guess my glass is just half full

 

Tststs you gotta support that here! No FCR in 2023 and beyond means no FCR EVER! Ha! 

[sirrah]

1 hour ago, Ephedrin said:

Tststs you gotta support that here! No FCR in 2023 and beyond means no FCR EVER! Ha! 

[Kang]

Yes, FCR is cancelled. It's the only explanation.

[BIGNEWY]

16 hours ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

It is a tiny bit disappointing. What do you think?

Thanks for sharing, but you have already been told it will come later in early access. 

thanks

[Hiob]

DCS has become quite large - it's becoming harder and harder to squeeze every module and every variant in a video of finite length, I assume.

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

The impression one gets in the 2023 vid is that they made an effort to show you what's coming in 2023. Like they kept showing the Corsair and F4. So when the FCR wasn't in (surprisingly), I guess some ppl started wondering. If it comes in 2024 (not saying it will not come in 2023), it will be another year's wait and quite a letdown I'm sure to those who bought the Apache on day one. Come 2025, you'll see a great new year vid of some upcoming modules and then probably wonder when they'll finish up some missing system in the F4 or Corsair. But that's how it is with more and more EAs.    

Update from their 13 Jan 2023 Newsletter:  "The FCR is one of the features that significantly adds lethality compared to the older A model. The FCR will be able to scan for, detect, classify, and cue weapons to both air and ground units. This will be one of our team’s larger tasks for 2023."

Edited January 15, 2023 by GrEaSeLiTeNiN

[Hotdognz]

Literally 1 shot of the Apache with the FCR and you find it disappointing, may EA isn't for you, it will come when its ready and Beyond 2023 was a show case for many other items not even in the DCS world.

[Hiob]

Just a thought on the matter of disappointment:

Disappointment comes from the mismatch between expectations and reality. Since you can't control reality it is logical to manage your expectations.

In regards to the marketing videos of ED, my suggestion would be to expect nothing in particular in the first place and just enjoy them for what they are - an unrealistic* showcase of the beauty of DCS to generate an urge to play DCS (worked on me! ).

*Let's be real: Any ED Marketing video has almost nothing to do with what we players experience in the game. First and foremost because we experience DCS (mostly) from an in-cockpit perspective, whereas the videos feature 90% outsight shots for the sake of a compelling cinematography (again - works for/on me!)

Edited January 9, 2023 by Hiob

[Wilbus]

Not disappointing at all to me at least. The fact it isn't shown doesn't mean it won't come in 2023. And even if it doesn't come in 2023 we'll see it later on. The "year and beyond" trailers rarely show any details, they present cool video of modules and they present a peak in to future modules. 

The Apache module is still early access. Those of us who buy modules in early access should understand that features will be added when they are added. If one doesn't want to pay for a half finished (or less) module then wait for it's full release.

[Hobel]

In the news/changelog

 

Zitat

 

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28. October 2022

 

Ongoing tasks for later updates:

• Yaw SAS behaviour improvements.
• Improving Vortex Ring State (VRS) characteristics.
• Image Auto-Tracker (IAT) and Multi-Target Tracker (MTT) TADS functions.
• Complete the Performance (PERF) page.
• Complete new Pilot and CPG models, external and 1st person.
• Improved Datalink Modem (IDM) that will include Longbow Net and ability to share targeting.
• Additional George (Pilot and CPG) messages.
• “Robbie” fuel tank.
• Fire Control Radar (FCR) and AGM-114L radar-guided Hellfire.
• SAS collective channel behaviour improvements.
• Radar altitude hold and altitude hold stability when in OGE.
• Adjust SAS Saturation tone behaviour.
• Uncommanded pitch and roll in some high speed conditions.

 

 

Zitat

 

16. December 2022

Coming after this update: In addition to bug fixes, other ongoing work on the AH-64D includes improvements to the external model, AGM-114L, COMM and DATALINK for Longbow Net support, flight model and SCAS improvements, improved IR signature, and “Robbie” fuel tank option.

And IAT and PERF we just got so the rest of this list doesn't seem that far away

[Guest]

The FCR is the reason I bought the 64.

[Hiob]

19 hours ago, Razor68 said:

The FCR is the reason I bought the 64.

Then you bought it prematurely, didn’t you? Was pretty clear right from the start, that the FCR was coming later(tm).

[Rogue Trooper]

FCR is the only thing that makes this machine truly great. The ability to engage targets without unmasking is the Holy Grail itself.

It is coming, even if it is in 2024.... it is coming!

The AH-64D will beat the Gazelle!

Edited January 20, 2023 by Rogue Trooper

[NeedzWD40]

4 hours ago, Rogue Trooper said:

FCR is the only thing that makes this machine truly great. The ability to engage targets without unmasking is the Holy Grail itself.

Say what? The datalink, IDM, communications suite, navigation suite, etc. don't make it great as it is?

You don't need the FCR to engage targets from defilade. All the existing weapons can be utilized from cover in an indirect fashion, including the laser AGM-114s.

The FCR and AGM-114Ls aren't mythical "I win" buttons for the aircraft. They are powerful tools, no doubt about it, but they serve only as augmentation to an already incredibly powerful weapons, sensors, and communications suite.

[Silver_Dragon]

On 1/14/2023 at 2:18 PM, Hiob said:

Then you bought it prematurely, didn’t you? Was pretty clear right from the start, that the FCR was coming later(tm).

ED was very clear on the shop about the items with coming on early acces and on a final release.

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/es/products/helicopters/ah-64d/

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Key Features of DCS: AH-64D

At Early Access release:

Professional flight dynamics and engine modelling with high precision characteristics of the real aircraft in all ranges of altitude, temperature and speeds for different weights and flight configurations
Two 6DOF highly detailed cockpits and external model
Fully clickable cockpits with mouse interactive control
Multi-crew. A second crew member can be another player or the "George" AI
Detailed modeling of the entire electrical, fuel, hydraulic, pneumatic, fire protection, SCAS, hold modes, and radio systems
Full modeling of armament and weapons systems with ability to use 30mm chain gun, 2.75” rockets, and AGM-114K Hellfire anti tank guided missiles in Direct, Low, and High modes
External fuel tanks
IHADSS, MPNVS, and MTADS/TEDAC systems and sensors
Linear Motion Compensator (LMC)
Tactical Situation Display (TSD) with moving map
Defensive systems that include the Common Missile Warning System, chaff and flare dispensers, and radar warning receiver
U.S. Army and Other Paint Schemes
Night Vision Goggles
Search Light
Early Access Manual
Training Missions

At final release:
Fire Control Radar (FCR) and Radio Interferometer (RFI)
Addition of the AGM-114L Radar-Guided Hellfire
Data Link System to share and assign targets between flight members
TADS Multi-Target Tracker (MTT)
Laser Warning System
Radar Jammer
Anti-Ice System
Advanced Damage Modeling
Additional liveries and livery template
Full English (full list of languages is TBD)
Campaign by Eagle Dynamics

 

And on the 2023 Newsletters, ED has talk about what working on your modules on 2023:

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AH-64D

Development Progress

The AH-64D is an exceedingly complex aircraft with much work still to do. The biggest tasks underway are the introduction of the AGM-114L radar-guided Hellfire missile and implementation of the Improved Datalink Model (IDM) that will allow flight members to exchange their location and targets. In parallel with these two important tasks, we are also working on the following in 2023:

Improved Flight Model and Stability and Control Augmentation System (SCAS). Compared to fixed-wing aircraft, a rotary-wing aircraft like the AH-64D can be a handful to fly, and a helicopter’s flight model is a very complex simulation to get properly implemented and “dialed in”. The AH-64D’s Flight Management Computer operates using a substantial series of logics to govern the SCAS, which can be almost as complex as the flight model itself to implement. We are continuing to refine the SCAS to make flying this aircraft a bit easier by adjusting the collective channel behavior, tuning the yaw offset, eliminating the roll when ham-fisting the collective, and adjusting the hold modes.

Fire Control Radar (FCR). The FCR is one of the features that significantly adds lethality compared to the older A model. The FCR will be able to scan for, detect, classify, and cue weapons to both air and ground units. This will be one of our team’s larger tasks for 2023.

Laser Spot Tracker. In addition to laser self-designating, the AH-64D will also detect and track a laser from an off-board designation source like another aircraft or a JTAC.

Laser Warning Receiver. Our AH-64D can already detect both radar emission and missile launches, but it will also be able to detect and warn you of being laser designated. A laser designation is a good indication that you may have a tank round or laser-guided missile coming your way. 

Radar Frequency Interferometer (RFI) and Radar Jammer. The RFI is part of the FCR, and it can provide the location of radar emitters in range and azimuth and the radar jammer and reduce the effectiveness. We plan to work on these after the above items, but they may be 2024 development tasks.

 

 

Edited January 21, 2023 by Silver_Dragon

[Rogue Trooper]

30 minutes ago, NeedzWD40 said:

Say what? The datalink, IDM, communications suite, navigation suite, etc. don't make it great as it is?

You don't need the FCR to engage targets from defilade. All the existing weapons can be utilized from cover in an indirect fashion, including the laser AGM-114s.

The FCR and AGM-114Ls aren't mythical "I win" buttons for the aircraft. They are powerful tools, no doubt about it, but they serve only as augmentation to an already incredibly powerful weapons, sensors, and communications suite.

FCR, radar targeting is the only thing that makes this airframe truly legend.

As is, I can out perform this airframe with a French  EC665.... believe me... it is a thing.

The longbow will be in DCS!

Comms: I start killing left of formation and you start killing right of formation still works well. 

Edited January 21, 2023 by Rogue Trooper

[NeedzWD40]

4 hours ago, Rogue Trooper said:

FCR, radar targeting is the only thing that makes this airframe truly legend.

As is, I can out perform this airframe with a French  EC665.... believe me... it is a thing.

The same FCR that is often removed due to lack of use? That FCR?

The same EC-665 that the Australian Army is replacing with AH-64E? And let me know when the EC665 can carry 16 ATGM/76 rockets and 1200 rounds of 30mm with an endurance of ~2 hours.

5 hours ago, Rogue Trooper said:

Comms: I start killing left of formation and you start killing right of formation still works well.

Right! OK I'll- Ooh. I just blew up a friendly on the right flank. Oh man, blue on blue on the left! Darn, if only we had PFZs and NFZs with a datalink...

[tomcat_driver]

1 hour ago, NeedzWD40 said:

The same FCR that is often removed due to lack of use? That FCR?

Wow, you wake up today to spam the forums with your blablabla.

The only reason the FCR wasn't used is because "War on Terror", remember, low intensity, bombing ak-armed guerrillas from 30k ft with JDAMs and multi-million PGMs? That's basically over and the world is now, again, re-arming and re-indoctrinating for full spectrum warfare, like it was when the Apache was conceived.

Edited January 21, 2023 by tomcat_driver