Many servers, few players?

[Shadow86]

It's a bit of a stretch to suggest a mental condition for not conforming to arbitrary procedures. A taxiway is perfectly capable to being a runway, in a physical sense.

I agree it's most likely jarring if it's not something you'd like to see. It wouldn't be my choice, either. But that's why squadrons of all kinds and groups of like-minded people exist.

Expecting randoms to behave like one would behave in an online videogame is a fool's errand, whether it's DCS, Squad or Battlefield.

[Cab]

1 minute ago, Shadow86 said:

It's a bit of a stretch to suggest a mental condition for not conforming to arbitrary procedures. A taxiway is perfectly capable to being a runway, in a physical sense.

I agree it's most likely jarring if it's not something you'd like to see. It wouldn't be my choice, either. But that's why squadrons of all kinds and groups of like-minded people exist.

Expecting randoms to behave like one would behave in an online videogame is a fool's errand, whether it's DCS, Squad or Battlefield.

Well said. Much nicer than I could phrase it.

[Steel Jaw]

24 minutes ago, Cab said:

Well said. Much nicer than I could phrase it.

Yeah, not so much.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

44 minutes ago, Shadow86 said:

It's a bit of a stretch to suggest a mental condition for not conforming to arbitrary procedures. A taxiway is perfectly capable to being a runway, in a physical sense.

I agree it's most likely jarring if it's not something you'd like to see. It wouldn't be my choice, either. But that's why squadrons of all kinds and groups of like-minded people exist.

Expecting randoms to behave like one would behave in an online videogame is a fool's errand, whether it's DCS, Squad or Battlefield.

This is a great post.

[Raisuli]

On 7/8/2023 at 10:01 AM, Steel Jaw said:

People who take off on taxi ways, or land non carrier planes on the CV, have NO place on public servers.  Full stop.

 

Deal.

Come to think of it I've never taken off on a taxiway or landed a non-carrier plane on a CV on a server, but that was a full stop.  Nice to know the rules.

[Hotdognz]

On 7/9/2023 at 2:01 AM, Steel Jaw said:

People who take off on taxi ways, or land non carrier planes on the CV, have NO place on public servers.  Full stop.

 

That would depend on whos public server it is, they might allow it.

[SharpeXB]

On 7/11/2023 at 6:33 PM, Shadow86 said:

It's a bit of a stretch to suggest a mental condition for not conforming to arbitrary procedures. A taxiway is perfectly capable to being a runway, in a physical sense.

I agree it's most likely jarring if it's not something you'd like to see. It wouldn't be my choice, either. But that's why squadrons of all kinds and groups of like-minded people exist.

Expecting randoms to behave like one would behave in an online videogame is a fool's errand, whether it's DCS, Squad or Battlefield.

It’s a mental condition some people have where they can’t follow rules. This is in fact against the rules on any decent sever. Maybe there are groups of like minded idiots who think it’s fun crashing their planes into each other. They can go to the kiddie pool with the other grown up man-children with minds of 12 year olds. 

On 7/12/2023 at 4:07 AM, Hotdognz said:

That would depend on whos public server it is, they might allow it.

Nobody allows this

[Cab]

58 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Nobody allows this

This is the disconnect. You believe it, but it’s just not true. There are lots of public servers that don’t address it one way or another. 

[dankmaster]

On 7/11/2023 at 7:33 PM, Shadow86 said:

It's a bit of a stretch to suggest a mental condition for not conforming to arbitrary procedures. A taxiway is perfectly capable to being a runway, in a physical sense.

#1 Taking off from a runway instead of a taxiway is not an "arbitrary procedure"

#2 A taxiway is not a "perfectly capable" runway

Edited July 14, 2023 by dankmaster

[Hotdognz]

5 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

It’s a mental condition some people have where they can’t follow rules. This is in fact against the rules on any decent sever. Maybe there are groups of like minded idiots who think it’s fun crashing their planes into each other. They can go to the kiddie pool with the other grown up man-children with minds of 12 year olds. 

Nobody allows this

SharpeXB you really do have a lot of names for people who don't agree with you, such a shame you label people like this.

Says who, as a server owner I allow what I want to happen on my server.

Edited July 14, 2023 by Hotdognz

[BIGNEWY]

folks I have already had to clear this thread up, please treat each other with respect or refrain from posting. 

thank you

[Hiob]

6 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

like minded idiots

Dude, how many not so subtle hints do you need to rethink your choice of words? You‘re not entitled to judge or dictate how others play the game. Don’t like it? Leave or don’t join. I also happen to know a lot of swear words, and a few come to my mind when I read your entitled posts, but I can hold back (barely).

[Baldrick33]

It seems to have been the same with sims since multiplayer became more than just the province of a few enthusiasts racking up telephone bills. "We need more players." "Not those players!"

My experience with race and flyings sims is the numbers of genuine enthusiasts who want to treat a simulation exactly as they would the real life counterpart are very limited.

What we always want is more like minded players, which are in short supply and generally managed through groups organising themselves, who do it very well IMHO.

[SharpeXB]

3 hours ago, Baldrick33 said:

My experience with race and flyings sims is the numbers of genuine enthusiasts who want to treat a simulation exactly as they would the real life counterpart are very limited.

Any sim racing server will probably ban you for behavior equivalent to runway takeoffs. 

3 hours ago, Hiob said:

Dude, how many not so subtle hints do you need to rethink your choice of words? You‘re not entitled to judge or dictate how others play the game. Don’t like it? Leave or don’t join. I also happen to know a lot of swear words, and a few come to my mind when I read your entitled posts, but I can hold back (barely).

Sorry I run out of words trying to express how ridiculous I find this behavior. Fortunately I only play on decent servers where this stuff is against the rules. 
 

It seems you guys think that getting rid of rules somehow will attract more players. I don’t think that’s appealing to many people. 

Edited July 14, 2023 by SharpeXB

[Rebel28]

There are times some may not want to stick to what’s real. At one time a server was up using the Nevada map. On this server the owner had placed a carrier near the Hoover dam. Was this realistic, NO. But it sure did lead to a lot of fun with friends to see who had the talent. The carrier was on a slight angle making the approach a real challenge. The takeoffs facing the dam and having to go under the bridge was also strange. This lead to having a fun time as we made many failed attempts.

Sometimes you just need to have fun. If not you are just getting old.

[dankmaster]

On 7/8/2023 at 1:25 PM, Hiob said:

On 7/8/2023 at 11:30 AM, SharpeXB said:

This practice is against the rules on any server I’ve seen so I’m not sure how it constitutes fun. It’s indeed the most idiotic behavior and so I don’t feel harsh in suggesting that these players suffer from some mental condition. If you can’t spend a minute to taxi, yeah the ADHD shoe fits. How such players have the attention span to figure out a DCS module is puzzling. 

Yes indeed, some attitudes are puzzling. I feel the same. 

 

4 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

folks I have already had to clear this thread up, please treat each other with respect or refrain from posting. 

thank you

 

3 hours ago, Hiob said:

10 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

like minded idiots

Dude, how many not so subtle hints do you need to rethink your choice of words? You‘re not entitled to judge or dictate how others play the game. Don’t like it? Leave or don’t join. I also happen to know a lot of swear words, and a few come to my mind when I read your entitled posts, but I can hold back (barely).

 

One hour after the boss jumps in, you find yourself barely holding back from swearing at the so called entitled posts that you yourself quoted above and said you agree with.

Let's cut out the hyperbole and get back on topic.  Expecting people not to use a taxiway as a runway is a reasonable request.  Everyone is entitled to judge this behaviour as they see fit; however, the forum rules restrict the word choice in expressing this opinion and I respect this rule.

 

[Shadow86]

1 hour ago, SharpeXB said:

Fortunately I only play on decent servers where this stuff is against the rules.

This was my point. Anyone and everyone can get together with like-minded people who enjoy similar things. So what's the problem?

Do you want everyone to think the way you think, and otherwise they have a "mental condition"? That's not going to happen, and it's a waste of energy.

 

10 hours ago, dankmaster said:

#1 Taking off from a runway instead of a taxiway is not an "arbitrary procedure"

#2 A taxiway is not a "perfectly capable" runway

Perfectly, physically capable, if the length is sufficient. And it is an arbitrary procedure in the context of a videogame where there aren't lives and million-dollar planes at stake.

Also, if the runway is damaged or otherwise obstructed (by wrecks), which can often happen in DCS, it may actually be the only way. Even in real life, if physical conditions permit, and especially if there's military urgency (war).

Again, not my cup of tea in most circumstances, but I was objecting to the virulence of the judgment, more than anything.

[Soulres]

On 7/3/2023 at 6:49 AM, Pulstar said:

This has always been a pet peeve of mine ever since I started  playing since the LOMAC days. DCS has gained exposure time and again due to unfortunate world events, but it seems the MP population is stagnant, and playing on Open Beta I can only find a handful of PVP servers and they're not heavily populated most of the time. Hopefully with GFM AI will become more feasible to fight against.

My question is, how come there are hundreds of empty or near-empty servers?

Because every discord needs its own poorly put together server as everyone tries to invent their own using the same mods and scripts as everyone else.

Get used to "Stale" things. thats all DCS is while a F2Pgame litterally takes all of its players.

[SharpeXB]

43 minutes ago, Shadow86 said:

Perfectly, physically capable, if the length is sufficient.

Except that other people are using it to taxi on  

The same real world reasons not to take off from the taxiway apply to a game. Again I’m not really sure how crashing into each other is “fun”

[MAXsenna]

19 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Except that other people are using it to taxi on  

The same real world reasons not to take off from the taxiway apply to a game. Again I’m not really sure how crashing into each other is “fun”

Better/real ATC will solve that.

[Raisuli]

In defense of rules based server behavior, without attributing motivation to behavior, it's worth noting that in any public setting we do expect certain behaviors.  People drive on the correct side of the road (whichever side that is).  They stop at red lights and stop signs.  They smile and say hello, or at the very least show some restraint and respect when encountering other people. 

On a server you're with a whole bunch of people you don't know, so you expect the taxiways to be used for taxiing, and people to use the correct end of the runway, or not damage the carrier by trying to land a Viggen on it, or look aft to see if (I'm) in the groove before taxiing into the landing zone (yeah, happened to me, but the guy immediately apologized).

The people who don't?  I try not to attribute to malice (or some unspecified neurological condition) that which can be explained by ignorance or greed.

Meanwhile, just like in the real world, people are people and all kinds of things that seem silly to one person are perfectly acceptable behaviors to someone else.  The chances you're going to 'fix' all behavior on a public server is asymptotic to zero, so apart from venting, which does feel good sometimes, I'm not sure what the argument resolved.

Well, other that I did a bit of venting when I was on public servers, so I can't fault anyone for that, either. 

If you want honesty I think most of the problems with public servers is education.  It's not an intuitive step from flying in your own world with no rules, especially for people who don't even know the basics of proper flight procedures.

<edit> Fixed an egregious probability error </edit>

Edited July 14, 2023 by Raisuli

[Slippa]

I’d just like to admit that while trying out a Multiplayer server as a novice, I once approached an unfamiliar airfield at speed in a Spitfire and lined up on what I thought was the runway. Upon a rapid, bouncy and highly exciting ‘landing’ I discovered this in fact was an adjacent taxiway. I cry myself to sleep every night over it and I hope that in some way, my coming forward to admit with great shame my indiscretions, it will go some way in redeeming my otherwise impeachable character. 

Seriously, I think it’s really up to whoever’s running the server. Most, I’d have thought, would be using taxiways and runways as they were meant to be used? So long as they know how to. Personally, I try to go against the windsock and try not to bang anybody. If someone started tearing off in any direction for laughs on a server I think most people would be unhappy about it. If someone’s being a dick, they’re being a dick and shouldn’t moan when they’re called one and told to hop off. If people want to zip about every which way on their server, that’s all good too. Problem comes when the two get mixed up but there’s room for everyone.

MultiPlayer servers have had me grinning and chuckling to myself, flying alongside other players trying not to clip each other then watching different people dive in on targets. Generally, I drop bombs and follow them in, blowing my wings into a colander while reading other pilots quips about the state of my aircraft or how many bandits are coming after me. Can be a lot of fun and I often learn something new.

I rarely see many servers with many people on them and those that do are a bit beyond my capabilities. There are plenty there to choose from though so we should all be able to find something to entertain ourselves with no need to land or take off from taxiways.

Bit of gentle venting doesn’t hurt Raisuli, chuckled at some of this thread.

[Kang]

1 hour ago, Soulres said:

Because every discord needs its own poorly put together server as everyone tries to invent their own using the same mods and scripts as everyone else.

Get used to "Stale" things. thats all DCS is while a F2Pgame litterally takes all of its players.

There is a certain truth to this, really, and it doesn't deserve to be lost among the unrelated heated arguments.

[SharpeXB]

35 minutes ago, Raisuli said:

If you want honesty I think most of the problems with public servers is education.  It's not an intuitive step from flying in your own world with no rules, especially for people who don't even know the basics of proper flight procedures.

Just curious if there’s anyone who doesn’t know what a runway is….

[HC_Official]

9 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Just curious if there’s anyone who doesn’t know what a runway is….

it is the thing the models walk down isn't it ?