Hammer1-1 Posted July 4 Posted July 4 8 minutes ago, draconus said: No, it's speculation. No, its realistic until things change. Things arent changing, are they? 1 Intel 13900k @ 5.8ghz | 64gb GSkill Trident Z | MSI z790 Meg ACE | Zotac RTX4090 | Asus 1000w psu | Slaw RX Viper 2 pedals | VPForce Rhino/VKB MCE Ultimate + STECS Mk2 MAX / Virpil MongoosT50+ MongoosT50CM | Virpil TCS+/ AH64D grip/custom AH64D TEDAC | Samsung Odyssey G9 + Odyssey Ark | Next Level Racing Flight Seat Pro | WinWing F-18 MIPS | No more VR for this pilot. My wallpaper and skins On today's episode of "Did You Know", Cessna Skyhawk crashes into cemetery; over 800 found dead as workers keep digging.
draconus Posted July 4 Posted July 4 7 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said: No, its realistic until things change. If it stops working then it's real. Until then it's just assumption, unfounded. 2 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Hammer1-1 Posted July 4 Posted July 4 (edited) 3 minutes ago, draconus said: If it stops working then it's real. Until then it's just assumption, unfounded. if you say so... its not as if it has its problems that can be fixed yet, right? nobody is reporting anything broken? degraded? ok. I wouldnt hold my breath if I were you, but ok. Edited July 4 by Hammer1-1 1 Intel 13900k @ 5.8ghz | 64gb GSkill Trident Z | MSI z790 Meg ACE | Zotac RTX4090 | Asus 1000w psu | Slaw RX Viper 2 pedals | VPForce Rhino/VKB MCE Ultimate + STECS Mk2 MAX / Virpil MongoosT50+ MongoosT50CM | Virpil TCS+/ AH64D grip/custom AH64D TEDAC | Samsung Odyssey G9 + Odyssey Ark | Next Level Racing Flight Seat Pro | WinWing F-18 MIPS | No more VR for this pilot. My wallpaper and skins On today's episode of "Did You Know", Cessna Skyhawk crashes into cemetery; over 800 found dead as workers keep digging.
Dragon1-1 Posted July 4 Posted July 4 1 hour ago, draconus said: Until then it's just assumption, unfounded. Assumption, yes. Unfounded, no. Your assumption that it's going to somehow be different from the last time it happened is the unfounded one. In absence of evidence as to why it should be different, it's perfectly reasonable to fall back on historical precedent. Especially since apparently, the measures enacted to prevent a repeat of the Hawk debacle were not applied in this case. So unless you have a very good reason why it should not be so, "Hawk 2.0" is indeed the realistic expectation. 3
cfrag Posted July 4 Posted July 4 1 hour ago, draconus said: If it stops working then it's real. Until then it's just assumption, unfounded. All modules will eventually stop working. Some modules will stop working sooner than others, the Mudhen likely amongst them. And we have precedence: the Hawk. So it's an educated prediction of future fact. Believing otherwise is wishful thinking, bordering on denial. 2
Rudel_chw Posted July 4 Posted July 4 3 hours ago, draconus said: No, it's speculation. @cfrag @Gorn_GER You forget that companies get punished for such behavior so they'd put their sales at risk. Also it's unfounded assumption that only first year is good for new module's sales. Don't forget that players come and go and potentially find and buy DCS modules every day, no matter when they where released. On my case, the Mirage 2000, the Harrier, and the MiG-19 all do work (I refunded the F-15E) ... but I prefer to devote my ME time to aircraft that are still available for purchase, I feel a bit less at risk that way. For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
Czar66 Posted July 4 Posted July 4 @Hammer1-1 I think Beirut's point was in agreement with yours above. No module is really "finished". 5 hours ago, Aapje said: Yeah, and the people who buy early access modules, rather than wait for the module to be finished, are encouraging this behavior. Really bad take, considering what "Early Access" really means in DCS. 2
cfrag Posted July 4 Posted July 4 3 hours ago, draconus said: Also it's unfounded assumption that only first year is good for new module's sales. Say ‚I Don’t know how software sales work‘ without those words. And we were talking about the *majority* of sales. We all can read business cases (I do so since 1995) and we all acknowledge ‚the long tail‘ for non-tangible products; otherwise a 6-year veteran of EA wouldn’t sell, and the false promise of ‘Early Access’ may indeed lure the unwary neophyte to purchase an old module like the Viper. Does ED really think that they need to resort to this level of deceptive sales because in most software markets “early access” implies “fresh”? I think that they should be above that, it’s a bit pathetic. At this point in time, the RB modules are as dead as the Hawk. They may still mostly function (and I fly them) and linger for a while, but without a revenue stream they are dead to ED. And without ED performing maintenance, their viability shrinks fast. But indeed, let’s all hope for a miracle.
Hammer1-1 Posted July 4 Posted July 4 1 minute ago, Czar66 said: @Hammer1-1 I think Beirut's point was in agreement with yours above. No module is really "finished". finished means feature complete. serviced is what you are alluding to to keep it functional past its life expectancy. you know, much like maintaining your vehicle at the dealers. Intel 13900k @ 5.8ghz | 64gb GSkill Trident Z | MSI z790 Meg ACE | Zotac RTX4090 | Asus 1000w psu | Slaw RX Viper 2 pedals | VPForce Rhino/VKB MCE Ultimate + STECS Mk2 MAX / Virpil MongoosT50+ MongoosT50CM | Virpil TCS+/ AH64D grip/custom AH64D TEDAC | Samsung Odyssey G9 + Odyssey Ark | Next Level Racing Flight Seat Pro | WinWing F-18 MIPS | No more VR for this pilot. My wallpaper and skins On today's episode of "Did You Know", Cessna Skyhawk crashes into cemetery; over 800 found dead as workers keep digging.
cfrag Posted July 4 Posted July 4 2 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said: finished means feature complete. The Mudhen is finished. And I don’t mean feature complete <evil grin> 1
Czar66 Posted July 4 Posted July 4 4 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said: finished means feature complete. serviced is what you are alluding to to keep it functional past its life expectancy. you know, much like maintaining your vehicle at the dealers. .... nevermind.... 1
Beirut Posted July 4 Posted July 4 30 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said: nobody stopping you...I bought every single module expecting them to be completed eventually; bought every single razbam module knowing what kind of person ron is. I expected the shoe to drop eventually with Ron, and I was proven right. took a LOOONG while, but here we are. didnt stop me because I support this industry and all who try regardless of past sins. you can love or hate razbam, but youll eventually have to understand that this is how it works now, else we wouldnt have much in DCS. with that said, you do you. no more support for razbam from me until they 100% modules on release from here on out. I'm uncertain if I would ever give RB any money again. Depends what transpires in the unknown future. 4 Some of the planes, but all of the maps!
AndyJWest Posted July 4 Posted July 4 I'd be very surprised if Razbam were to even consider creating new modules for DCS.
av8orDave Posted July 4 Posted July 4 33 minutes ago, Beirut said: I'm uncertain if I would ever give RB any money again. Depends what transpires in the unknown future. Regardless of the sim platform, I have enough history with these RB guys now that I’d really think twice before buying anything from them. Wherever they go, a circus seems to follow. I know that is probably an unpopular view, but this deal with ED/DCS, while definitely the worst in their history, is hardly out of character for RB. 4
cfrag Posted July 5 Posted July 5 13 hours ago, NineLine said: Yet another thread purge, Cue Sonny & Cher's "I Got You Babe" to start another Groundhog Day... 1
SkateZilla Posted July 5 Posted July 5 16 hours ago, NineLine said: Yet another thread purge, as always, no matter what you read, really the only info we have to share is in the OP post. Thanks all. 1 Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted July 5 Posted July 5 My best friend's uncle's hair dresser's sister's roommate once bumped into a guy at Burning Man who said that his boss's boyfriend's son found out that we're totally getting an F-15SE. 7 3 Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
YSIAD_RIP Posted July 5 Posted July 5 I had a great ED vs Razbam dream last night and it was very good news! 4 Do not own: | F-15E | JF-17 | Fw 190 A-8 | Bf 109 | Hardware: [ - Ryzen7-5800X - 64GB - RX 6800 - X56 HOTAS Throttle - WINWING Orion 2 F16EX Grip - TrackIR 5 - Tobii 5C - JetPad FSE - ]
Horns Posted July 6 Posted July 6 16 hours ago, cfrag said: Cue Sonny & Cher's "I Got You Babe" to start another Groundhog Day... Let’s hope this ends better than Sonny and Cher… or Jessica and Nick… 1 Modules: [A-10C] [AJS 37] [AV8B N/A] [F-5E] [F-14] [F-15E] [F-16] [F/A-18C] [FC3] [Ka-50] [M-2000C] [Mig-21 bis] [Afghanistan] [Cold War: Germany] [Iraq] [Kola] [NTTR] [PG] [SC] Intel i9-14900KF, Nvidia GTX 4080, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Master X 64GB DDR5 @ 6400 MHz, SteelSeries Apex Pro, Asus ROG Gladius 3, VKB Gunfighter 3 w/ F-14 grip, VKB STECS throttle, Thrustmaster MFD Cougars x2, MFG Crosswind, DSD Flight Series button controller, XK-24, Meta Quest 3
primus_TR Posted July 6 Posted July 6 It seems to me that it has already ended; we're in the disposal phase.
Mike Force Team Posted July 6 Posted July 6 However the dispute ends, there is one likelihood. BN AND 9L don't have to monitor and respond to this forum. All of the posts would likely be locked and archived.
Beirut Posted July 6 Posted July 6 20 hours ago, YSIAD_RIP said: I had a great ED vs Razbam dream last night and it was very good news! I heard about that on Deephack's show. 1 1 Some of the planes, but all of the maps!
Kang Posted July 6 Posted July 6 On 7/5/2025 at 6:41 PM, MiG21bisFishbedL said: My best friend's uncle's hair dresser's sister's roommate once bumped into a guy at Burning Man who said that his boss's boyfriend's son found out that we're totally getting an F-15SE. My cousin's neighbour's uncle's wife's college roommate's brother says that this entire drama is just a marketing ploy to build hype for Razbam and ED building a full fidelity Avro Vulcan based on 607 and slated for full release in Q2 2026. 7 1
Dangerzone Posted July 7 Posted July 7 All those countless hours of keyboard typing - the invaluable deep thought and wisdom on the situation.... all gone. What ever shall we do now?!? 8
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