Caucasus Wishlist Thread

[draconus]

Simply rendering Crimea on the map as within Ukrainian territory would guarantee immediate censure in this political environment.

When you change map type and zoom in you can read "Ukrainskaya SSR". Are we in trouble now or is it good that it's just the "country" from the past?

[Mars Exulte]

Hmmm. I wonder why ''SSR''? Never noticed that before, indicates a 90s era, even though the rest of the map is 2008. Interesting.

 

That aside, yes, it causes drama every time that sort of thing comes up, or have you not noticed the frequent shitstorms everytime one company or another displays Crimea one way or another? As a Russian company, with probable Ukrainian ties as well, they would be extremely likely to catch flak with however they depict it.

 

I mean really, what do you think they mean when they say ''We can't because it's too sensitive''? It's either due to risk of government interference or due to general butthurt from RF vs UA interactions. Those are the only two reasons why it would matter.

[draconus]

Hmmm. I wonder why ''SSR''? Never noticed that before, indicates a 90s era, even though the rest of the map is 2008. Interesting.

They just used a scan of some older map.

[Kev2go]

They just used a scan of some older map.

 

yeah the scan of Caucasus map we have in dcs is pretty old too. Think it was from 1985.

 

Persian Gulf map, ( which would be part of ONC H7) i found dated 1994. Though i havent found the date of the NTTR map.

Edited July 4, 2019 by Kev2go

[Dun_Aenghus]

Is ED not now "officially" based in Switzerland or something? Crimea was great back in the days of Flanker and LOMAC, would also like to see it again some day if it's possible.

[Quadg]

I think its a shame we don't have Chechnya.

you can still see the remains of the extensive fortifications around the two airbases at grozny on google maps.

mi-8 transport missions from mozdok to either would be fun.

politics aside.

[Goa]

Is ED not now "officially" based in Switzerland or something? Crimea was great back in the days of Flanker and LOMAC, would also like to see it again some day if it's possible.

 

 

+ 100:thumbup:

[TOViper]

ED has very clear on that situation on forum. meanwhile ED has working now on another "Free" map outside the Caucasus.

 

Hi Silver_Dragon!

 

 

Can you please put a link to this "very clear" thing written somewhere? Thanks!

 

 

 

[criticism_on]

I have absolutely no clue why Krimea was removed.

Damn, its a computer game, nothing more!

It is not always about fighting on DCS maps against the good and the bad, hell NO!

It is also about flying around in stunning areas and enjoy the advantages of having technologies around which we had wet dreams about in our younger years!

 

Did anybody ever took this into any consideration when deleting Krimea files?

[criticism_off] :weight_lift_2:

[Silver_Dragon]

Hi Silver_Dragon!

 

 

Can you please put a link to this "very clear" thing written somewhere? Thanks!

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3735513&postcount=178

New Maps

 

With 2018 we saw the release of the DCS: Persian Gulf Map. For 2019 we and our partners are working on two new World War II maps, a Syria map, a Falkland Islands map, and a new free map that we’ll discuss later in the year.

[TOViper]

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3735513&postcount=178

 

Gracias! :thumbup:

[Madfish]

You guys are missing the issue with Crimea.

 

 

ED is based in Russia.

 

Russia is known for politicising their media and enforcing a narrative, claiming whole swathes of land through overt and covert means.

 

Crimea has ALWAYS been a particular hot topic for the RF, to the extent they launched a surprise invasion and started Cold War II.

 

LOTS of bickering about whether to render Crimea as Ukrainian or Russian on maps, among numerous other conflicts involving state sanctions and outright warfare.

 

 

 

What's the difference with Georgia? ED is based in Russia. Russia won that war and on an international level it is largely resolved to the satisfaction of everyone but Georgia. Likewise with Syria, more or less. Crimea and the whole Ukrainian conflict is ongoing, something Russia has paid a high price for, and is a key matter of the administration's political survival. It is an extremely sensitive topic for people that live and work in Russia.... LIKE THE BULK OF ED STAFF.

 

Simply rendering Crimea on the map as within Ukrainian territory would guarantee immediate censure in this political environment. Creating a campaign that depicted Russians in a negative or aggressor stance regarding Crimea would guarantee censure. I can go on, but you should get the idea by now. They don't care about Georgia or Syria, those are happy memories. Crimea/Ukraine has a bitter taste.

Interesting point - but sad at the same time.

 

There is IL-2 for example where the community can just mod maps as they wish.

Also there is MS Flight Sim and others which just cover the whole planet.

 

I will never understand why we're so restricted in maps and map sizes, especially when they're relatively low detail compared to most other products out there.

 

Would be fun to be able to use DCS for extended flights or even sightseeing or fictional theaters with certain challenges (e.g. just imagine Sahara dessert, Himalaya etc.)

[draconus]

I will never understand why we're so restricted in maps and map sizes, especially when they're relatively low detail compared to most other products out there.

 

Would be fun to be able to use DCS for extended flights or even sightseeing or fictional theaters with certain challenges (e.g. just imagine Sahara dessert, Himalaya etc.)

It's DCS - different tech for different purposes so different goals, but there are already many places for sightseeing like Caucasus mountains, valleys (autumn?), Vegas, Mead Lake, Colorado canyons, Dubai, etc. but flying over Sahara? No, thx.

[SmirkingGerbil]

Building networks out in Western Europe, Turkey, Russia, China.

 

I can say this from personal experience.

 

Let sleeping dogs lie, and focus on the folks you are interacting with on a daily basis.

 

What the governments require are one thing. What the folks you are working with day in and day out can do, is another.

Edited November 15, 2019 by SmirkingGerbil

[mig45]

Hi,

 

Well, we need Crimea back and perhaps some old East Turkey NATO bases. And if we could benefit from all the Caucasus mountains, it’ll be a so great thing.

 

We don’t mind about "hot" zones, it’s only a game, a very serious game but a game.

 

Crimea is now clearly Russian territory by the will of the vast majority of its inhabitants. A 2014 referendum was supported by a majority of voters, it was denounced as illegitimate but at 2018 elections Putin made 92 % in Crimea, well, so … !

 

I still see Caucasus as the main attractive map, that’s were the things will happen, Abkhazia want to be russian, Adjara too, only the region of Tbilissi is still pro NATO in Georgia.

[Jester986]

Crimea being so politically sensistive is probably still unlikely. I would however like to see something added to the Turkey section of the map. I'm not sure if there are any airbases in that area thats on our map but there has to atleast be an airport right?

[AyyUFO]

I think its a shame we don't have Chechnya.

 

Not true, because we still have Bamut on the very edge of west Chechnya...not a Grozny but it's something :lol:

[Fri13]

It is sad when politics gets to the history (like the geography in 1985) and as well to the business.

 

Like couldn't it be clear to model the map based to the situation in the long past (-75, -80, -89?) and avoid everything about the modern politics?

 

Yeah, F/A-18C Lot 20 in -70's terrain doesn't sound so.... Doesn't it?

 

And I mean this that no matter what map someone would do, there are always people who would inhale a melon to their nostrils...

[ebabil]

Crimea being so politically sensistive is probably still unlikely. I would however like to see something added to the Turkey section of the map. I'm not sure if there are any airbases in that area thats on our map but there has to atleast be an airport right?

 

there is no AFB in that region but there are several airports

 

AFB map;

 

 

Airports map;

 

[Matis]

Hello everyone,

 

i would like to hear your thoughts about Caucasus map but set in WWII era, what do you think?

From my side it is just a rushed idea, i do not know much about areal operations in that period and that setting, though if ED or any 3rd party would create the same map with current graphics and WWII setting it would bring a ton of possible operations players could recreate (either realistic or fictional).

 

Even though there is already Caucasus in the game, i know it would still have to be created from the scratch, but i think this would be worth it.

Honestly i hunger for graphical eyecandy Caucasus. Not get me wrong the current map looks good, but compared to what Syria or Marianas looks like you can see the ''defects'' of this map. 

I like flying in mountainous areas, over various forests / jungles, valleys... This map would have it all, also for future WWII carrier operations.

 

I hope WWII assets pack will keep expanding, and with this map there would be even more reasons to. 

 

(And of course i am not expecting free stuff)

 

Feel free to share your thoughts. 

[StevanJ]

That would mean creating an entirely new map for the North of the map (Battle of Caucasus), Id much rather we got something else..
But lets see if anyone else is interested..

[Callsign112]

On 9/21/2021 at 11:08 AM, Matis said:

Hello everyone,

 

i would like to hear your thoughts about Caucasus map but set in WWII era, what do you think?

From my side it is just a rushed idea, i do not know much about areal operations in that period and that setting, though if ED or any 3rd party would create the same map with current graphics and WWII setting it would bring a ton of possible operations players could recreate (either realistic or fictional).

 

Even though there is already Caucasus in the game, i know it would still have to be created from the scratch, but i think this would be worth it.

Honestly i hunger for graphical eyecandy Caucasus. Not get me wrong the current map looks good, but compared to what Syria or Marianas looks like you can see the ''defects'' of this map. 

I like flying in mountainous areas, over various forests / jungles, valleys... This map would have it all, also for future WWII carrier operations.

 

I hope WWII assets pack will keep expanding, and with this map there would be even more reasons to. 

 

(And of course i am not expecting free stuff)

 

Feel free to share your thoughts. 

+1 on the Eastern front idea. Nothing stopping you from using the WWII assets on the Caucasus map though. The map we have is a little too far east, but what we need more than anything are WWII Russian assets. In terms of maps though, what would be a better fit as the next Europe expansion would be West of Berlin. But an East Germany/poland/Belorussia map would be great if we could get the assets to go with it.  

[razo+r]

It's not really too east, rather a bit too south I'd say.

 

After all, germany went all the way to the Mt. Elbrus, for a short time at least.

[Tomcat-Flyer]

I would like to see the Caucasus mountains with a better mesh, because they're currently quite flat and smooth.

It would be nice if they were taller and much more detailed.

[Ernesto Avispa]

Yes...

[upyr1]

I'd love especially if it is free and includes Stalingrad. We need Red Army assets for WW II though.