Next DCS (US) Fixed Wing Aircraft Wish List

[Feuerfalke]

I understand exactly what you mean, and I will say this again:

 

You do not copy another simulator to do your own simulator.

 

 

 

I understand how that is how you see it from your point of view, but you're applying a completely incorrect process. ED doesn't need BMS' knowledge - no offense to them, that's not my point - ED has done plenty of studying of plenty of aircraft and they get their own, current SMEs to help them model things if required.

 

You do not go and claim realistic simulation when you basis is ... another simulation. It's not right.

 

Wow, GGTharos, you put a LOT of energy to misunderstand him and turn every word against him. :blink:

 

All he says is: There is a bunch of people who have collected tons of data, original plans and manuals and first hand pilot information. That's a fact. And it is exactly, where ED would start, when working on DCS: F-16.

 

Of course you don't copy code from game X to game Y and poof - done!

But that's not, what he said either.

 

And just because it's Falcon, it isn't a bad simulation either.

Christ, DCS is no religion, not good vs evil.

Both have their pros and cons. And nobody has to start a fight because the thinks one sim could learn a little from the other...

[Nealius]

 

Asking BMS to do an F-16 Module is pretty much asking a competitor to make a product for it's own competition.

 

BMS and DCS are not and never will be competitors. DCS is payware developed by professionals. BMS is freeware developed from abandonware by hobbyists (not saying they aren't professionals....they just don't get paid for what they do with BMS).

[SkateZilla]

BMS and DCS are not and never will be competitors. DCS is payware developed by professionals. BMS is freeware developed from abandonware by hobbyists (not saying they aren't professionals....they just don't get paid for what they do with BMS).

 

But they aren't gonna develop a module that takes away from the Sim/Community they spent years developing.

 

Regardless of Company Type; BMS and DCS: A-10C are compared against each other all the time in reviews, so essentially they are competing with each other.

 

Regardless I Fly Both.

Edited February 14, 2014 by SkateZilla

[Nealius]

But they aren't gonna develop a module that takes away from the Sim/Community they spent years developing.

 

Regardless of Company Type; BMS and DCS: A-10C are compared against each other all the time in reviews, so essentially they are competing with each other.

 

Regardless I Fly Both.

 

It would take quite a bit more than just a DCS F-16 module for BMS people to completely move over to DCS. Most would probably stay with BMS just for the dynamic campaign, theaters, and multiplayer experience even if there were a DCS F-16.

 

I fly both as well, and I feel the only reason the two are compared in reviews is because they are the only two flight sims related enough to be compared in the genre.

[SkateZilla]

I feel the only reason the two are compared in reviews is because they are the only two flight sims related enough to be compared in the genre.

 

Ditto

[GGTharos]

I am not saying to take Falcon BMS as a framework I am:music_whistling: just saying that It is much easier to do something when you have working prototype. in this case it is Falcon BMS.

 

And once more I will say you are wrong. The 'prototype' is the real, working aircraft, not a simulation of one.

 

it is like one of there references, basically it is interactive reference- I am talking about avionics and instruments

 

They don't need it.

 

maybe now my point of view will be interpreted correctly.

 

I understood your point the first time. You're still wrong, so you can quit trying to make me 'get it' already. ED will never use F4 BMS (or any other flight combat game) as a reference.

 

I mean it would be grate if ED would have access to the real aircraft, but reality is that they don't have it , so instead I believe it is possible to use Falcon BMS. It would not harm development but only benefit.

or maybe F-16 is so complex that ED is avoiding doing it ? no offence, just thought :music_whistling:

 

The reality is that you don't know what you're talking about :)

[danilop]

...

Asking BMS to do an F-16 Module is pretty much asking a competitor to make a product for it's own competition.

 

Why everyone in charge is so sensitive about suggestion that BMS should make DCS : F-16 module? Community voted long time ago. And it is same thing on both sides, both here and over there on BMS forum (BTW, that's the reason why we will not see F16 anytime soon :()

Edited February 14, 2014 by danilop

[NineLine]

Why everyone is so sensitive about suggestion that BMS should make DCS : F-16 module? Community voted long time ago. And it is on both sides (BTW, that's the reason we will not see F16 anytime soon :()

 

 

I would love the BMS guys to make a DCS module... they will just have to start from scratch is all.

[Revan]

We need a phantom to go along with the MiG-21 (which is back on schedule for March 30th release btw)

 

www.dcs-mig21.com

[Vampyre]

We need a phantom to go along with the MiG-21 (which is back on schedule for March 30th release btw)

 

www.dcs-mig21.com

 

The MiG-21Bis is going to be a blast. I'd also like to see the MiG-21PF and MF in the sights of my highly desired F-14... if we ever get it.

[SkateZilla]

I believe Cobra Confirmed it.

[Boss86005]

Interesting last few posts. Well, hopefully ED or a third party developer will make a DCS F-16. Would love to have a F-16 for the Nevada Terrain.

[VincentLaw]

In ramp start you can start with an unfolded sheet of A4 copy paper.

[USARStarkey]

DCS F-22

 

Hey guys I am very new to this forum so my bad if this has been talked about before. I heard that DCS F-22 was canceled, does anyone know if this is true. Tried to web search but got nothing. Also, for those of you in the know, how do you model aircraft like the F-35 and F-22 at a DCS level with so much of the data regarding the aircraft being speculative?

[Sel94]

F-22 was going to be made by a third party, not the normal ED team. I *think* the third party team said that it's not canceled, but it's on the back-burner while they work on other aircraft in FSX(that might have been another team though, so need someone to confirm).

 

At most, the aircraft won't be much more advanced than an FC3 aircraft. All the classified info means there's no way they could make a near identical simulation like A-10C.

[Scrim]

I heard that DCS F-22 was canceled, does anyone know if this is true.

 

.........

 

Also, for those of you in the know, how do you model aircraft like the F-35 and F-22 at a DCS level with so much of the data regarding the aircraft being speculative?

 

Yes, true.

 

Hard question, since no one's done, or is doing it ;) But from what I've gathered, that was one of the primary concerns that resulted in the end of the project. I wasn't even aware of it (might've been before I picked up DCS) but I certainly agree that it does seem very speculative when practically all the required data is top secret, and the software behind it are of such staggering proportions.

[Cali]

If there was going to be a F-16 then I wouldn't have a problem deciding what pit to make. As of now it looks like it's going to be a F-22/F-35 type pit.

[specialsymbol]

I really wonder why so few vote for the F-22.. it's still the most interesting plane out there and probably pretty capable, too.

[VincentLaw]

Yes, true.

False.

 

DCS: F-22 was never officially cancelled. IRIS still claims they are working on their DCS projects. Here is their latest statement regarding DCS. http://www.irissimulations.com.au/forum/announcements-1/dcs-world-and-iris#p55

 

I really wonder why so few vote for the F-22.. it's still the most interesting plane out there and probably pretty capable, too.

Probably because people are voting for what they consider a realistic expectation, not just what they think would be the most cool.

Edited March 8, 2014 by VincentLaw

[RagnarDa]

Probably because people are voting for what they consider a realistic expectation, not just what they think would be the most cool.

 

Or maybe they feel it would be playing the game in easy-mode? Also, the F-22 is so highly computerized that you are basically controlling a simulation of a computer on your computer and less of a simulation of flying an airplane.

[GGTharos]

I'm pretty sure you're quite physically in flight in an F-22 and controlling an aircraft, even if it's through a mediator - you're still the one who has to understand BFM and aerial tactics.

 

As fart as 'easy-mode' goes, it cuts both ways.

 

Or maybe they feel it would be playing the game in easy-mode? Also, the F-22 is so highly computerized that you are basically controlling a simulation of a computer on your computer and less of a simulation of flying an airplane.

[Grim_Smiles]

Or maybe they feel it would be playing the game in easy-mode?

 

I'm sure for some people that is the case, but if I had to take a guess I'd say that likely most here had their own favorite planes before the Raptor came to be, so there is a tendency to want that favorite rather than the new thing. I know if you gave me a choice between whether I'd want to fly an F-14D in DCS or the F-22, I'd pick the F-14D every time simply because it is my favorite among western fighters. I don't view the Raptor as "easy mode" and it would be a more dangerous fighter, but it doesn't hold the same sentiment for me that the Tomcat does.

[Revan]

I still choose the F-4 over the F-14 and the F-22

[CheckGear]

I am surprised the F-14 Tomcat got as few votes as it did. The F-14 is arguably one of the most popular fighters in history. I am even more surprised the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet got more votes than the F-14. The Hornet has been extensively covered in many sims in the past, while the only serious simulation of the Tomcat was in Microprose's Fleet Defender.

 

Personally, I want to see DCS introduce a module simulating the F-14A variant of the Tomcat. I know the F-14D is everyone else's dream, but the F-14A was the most widely-used variant of the Tomcat and had the most combat experience. I personally feel the F-14D lacks a certain amount of "personality" that the A-variant had plenty of.

[westr]

Still it got the 2nd highest count of votes. I agree the Tomcat would make a very interesting aircraft in DCS. But I think it would be a shame if I was done with no bombing capability. With the ability to drop lgbs and jdams it would really be a brilliant all round package. Throw in carrier landings and it would be a really challenging DCS module.