The praise topic

0xDEADBEEF · May 3, 2016

Always nice to hear kind words. Makes all the hard work we do worth it.

Even with all the critique I post, I never have a single doubt your hard work is worth it. It is not only worth it but also highly appreciated! Please keep it up!!! :pilotfly:

Abburo · May 3, 2016

I had also some comments on the flight model in the begining, but after some practice my skills have been improved a lot. When FFB will be implemented I thing that it will be even better.

Despite my comments, Gazelle is a great work which seems to me pretty close to a final product. Many congratulations to a very determinate and skilfull team: Polychop.

Focha · May 3, 2016

Ah, thank you for this thread.
In my opinion its really sad, everyone who can't fly the Gazelle is crying "the fm isn't realistic" and no-one just sais THANK YOU to Polychop.

So, Polychop, thank you for this great work, I really enjoy this little beast. Keep on this good work.

Do you realize that most of the people who are criticizing the FM have real life experience and that they are not criticizing anything else?

Do you realize that the same people that criticizes this module is because they want it to be better?

Also, everyone had the opportunity to see how good it already is, so this is stating the obvious.

I am tired of people trying to sabotage the good and constructive criticism that people with real experience have and share to make modules even better.

I am tired of Good Samaritans saying thank you for a job that is being payed. Why no one ever thanks me and others who takes free time of charge to test a module and write about it here to make it even better.

What I am sad is the comparison you and others make between those who criticize vs those who say thank you.

Also no one said it can't fly the Gazelle. They said it flies strangely for a helicopter with its characteristics.

I am really tired of posts like this. Be professional because the module is not free, saying thank you for a think that costs money is... Strange.

Sorry but I am tired of people that do not contribute with anything to make things better and come here criticizing who tries to do. I could also come here and say thank you. That is easy. Harder is testing this software and trying to explain by words what in your opinion based in your real life experience and knowledge what should be better.

That's one of the reason I am a lot reserved in giving my opinion in what I know how to do... Flying helicopters professionally.

Kind regards.

BaD CrC · May 3, 2016

Guys. You all have valid remarks, but let's try to stick with the subject. For the constructive critics, you have a dedicated topic. This one is the 'thank you' one.

Focha, you have very valid points, and I think the community (users and 3rd parties) are always happy to get some constructive feedbacks from real pilots. Thank you for that. This will certainly help to improve an already impressive module.

Just one thing I disagree though is your "Be professional because the module is not free, saying thank you for a think that costs money is... Strange.".

Although I agree that paying for something entitles you with the right to ask for quality, your 50$, and even the entire amount of money this module will make, is certainly not compensating for:

- the 4 years of sleepless nights of coding, certainly including weekends,

- the time not spent with your family

- the very apparent love for this aircraft and the crazy amount of details that probably took a lot of time and effort to put in, but that most people will not notice

- the testing and feedbacks from IRL Gazelle pilots that I am pretty sure did that during their free time, for free (thank you guys!)

Rogue Trooper · May 3, 2016

Indeed a superb first release from Polychops.

A very confident and well finished Beta release I reckon.

I wanted a twitchy lightweight Chopper and I sure as hell got one!

Top notch work Polychops!

Cibit · May 3, 2016

I will add my thanks if I may, the 229th guys are all having a blast, our hueys are going into long term storage:music_whistling:

Oubaas · May 3, 2016

I love the Gazelle, grabbed it the very first day, literally seconds after it went up on the e-shop webpage. I may have even been the first purchaser.

If this, their first release, is an example of what I can expect from Polychop, then I'll be purchasing everything they make for DCS.

Well done, Polychop team! She's a beauty!

Oubaas :thumbup:

Focha · May 3, 2016

Guys. You all have valid remarks, but let's try to stick with the subject. For the constructive critics, you have a dedicated topic. This one is the 'thank you' one.

Focha, you have very valid points, and I think the community (users and 3rd parties) are always happy to get some constructive feedbacks from real pilots. Thank you for that. This will certainly help to improve an already impressive module.

Just one thing I disagree though is your "Be professional because the module is not free, saying thank you for a think that costs money is... Strange.".
Although I agree that paying for something entitles you with the right to ask for quality, your 50$, and even the entire amount of money this module will make, is certainly not compensating for:
- the 4 years of sleepless nights of coding, certainly including weekends,
- the time not spent with your family
- the very apparent love for this aircraft and the crazy amount of details that probably took a lot of time and effort to put in, but that most people will not notice
- the testing and feedbacks from IRL Gazelle pilots that I am pretty sure did that during their free time, for free (thank you guys!)

My way of saying thank you is buying the product. I was not referring to the quality, don't get me wrong, which by the way is more than I could ask for a desktop simulator! We live in the simulators' golden age.

I don't know if the cost for the product is compensatory for the devs, but everyone picks their jobs.

We can talk about costs, of course, I could tell you about my job flying at night in bad weather, sometimes over the water, trying to save someone... We all choose jobs, sometimes it's not about the value of money that we do it.

Anyway, my way of thanking is buying the product. If something is not right with it, I try to help, free of charge, to make it better.

Regards.

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

rrohde · May 3, 2016

If this, their first release, is an example of what I can expect from Polychop, then I'll be purchasing everything they make for DCS.

Same here! :thumbup:

Flamin_Squirrel · May 3, 2016

You can already do that, there is an option for "easier controls", which does the " tweaking" for you, if you don't want to train your muscle memory and get used to the realistic flight model.

I'm perfectly capable of flying the Gazelle as is. Did you actually read my post?

"I've not seen anyone claim the FM is unrealistic because they can't fly it."

I don't think I've seen a single module go without post release flight model changes (despite having current pilots on the team). With the Gazelle's complexity, I doubt it'll be an exception. Identifying (potential) issues in no way detracts from Polychop's good work.

jcbak · May 3, 2016

This aircraft is outstanding and I'm super impressed with how few bugs there are for a first release. The Polychop team has done an outstanding job. I will definitely be taking a serious look at all of their future releases. Congrats, guys.

Derbysieger · May 3, 2016

Congrats on an overall fantastic first release. I haven't been flying anything else since Friday!

http://i.imgur.com/YFGfTRF.gifv

I'm especially looking forward to the BO-105 (I know, I know, you need to finish the Gazelle first :P). The helicopter of my childhood you could say :D

shagrat · May 3, 2016

I'm perfectly capable of flying the Gazelle as is. Did you actually read my post?

"I've not seen anyone claim the FM is unrealistic because they can't fly it."

I don't think I've seen a single module go without post release flight model changes (despite having current pilots on the team). With the Gazelle's complexity, I doubt it'll be an exception. Identifying (potential) issues in no way detracts from Polychop's good work.

I was more referencing to the fact, that flying a helicopter in a Sim is more difficult than in real life. Missing butt sensor, peripheral vision, etc.

If you add a short throw throttle instead of a longer collective and a cyclic that is attached directly handle to the base (tremendously reduced stick throw).

So your options are to train your muscle memory and overall feel for the helicopter until you adjust, or tweak the input to make a "normal" joystick control setup "feel" realistic...

The problem is, there is a difference across controls what "feel" realistic, unless you have the luxury of a full blown sim cyclic and collective setup.

The reference to Polychops "easy controls" was simply about the fact, they are obviously aware about the limitations of certain hardware setup.

So they already implemented a "tweaked" version if the flight model adjusted to that.

Now, why would you want to "tweak" the realistic flight model?

Just, because the other helicopter developers didn't think of a separate adjustment?

Mind the fact "easier controls" does nit mean "arcade", not a bit!

Just a bit tuned down compared to the normal FM like the change from the Hueys "original" FM to the current, less twitchy one...

May be Polychop can shed some light in what exactly is different in "easier controls", but it does not feel unnatural ir game like to me. :)

Ok, I prefer that unchecked myself, but I have a pretty long stick extension on my Warthog, that helps a lot with tiny, precise inputs, required for the Gazelle.

Edited May 3, 2016 by shagrat

Mt5_Roie · May 3, 2016

What is a Butt sensor? Does it vibrate?:megalol:

"....Missing butt sensor...

gospadin · May 3, 2016

I'm perfectly capable of flying the Gazelle as is. Did you actually read my post?

"I've not seen anyone claim the FM is unrealistic because they can't fly it."

I don't think I've seen a single module go without post release flight model changes (despite having current pilots on the team). With the Gazelle's complexity, I doubt it'll be an exception. Identifying (potential) issues in no way detracts from Polychop's good work.

100% agree.

I am glad I bought the module.

I am excited for its future.

Out-of-the-gate, for an "early access" model, it's extremely functional.

I hope everyone who reads my suggestions for improvement in the flight model sees in those suggestions my (and others') passion and interest in the module and its future.

If the module sucked and we weren't having fun, we would just wash our hands of it and move on.

Flamin_Squirrel · May 3, 2016

I was more referencing to the fact, that flying a helicopter in a Sim is more difficult than in real life. Missing butt sensor, peripheral vision, etc...

If asked which I thought was more difficult, RW or sim flying, I'd say "both"; neither is easy, they're just difficult for different reasons.

But, and I get the feeling I'm repeating myself again here, difficulty has nothing to do with the reason people are questioning the flight model. Questions regarding the current Gazelle flight model come from the fact it feels strange. Some of this is subjective, but some is demonstrable (e.g. lack of flap forward/back).

Raising questions should be viewed for what they are: constructive feedback. Polychop and the pilots on staff may have missed something (we're all human, and few are good at marking their own work). If it turns out there's something wrong it gets fixed, if it's right then hopefully we'll hear back and all learn something more about this helo. Everyone wins...

grunf · May 3, 2016

Let me join the praises :D. You guys did an outstanding job. :thumbup:

0xDEADBEEF · May 3, 2016

Now, why would you want to "tweak" the realistic flight model?

I do not get why you keep defending the FM without bringing up any points.

There is also absolutely no point in claiming this FM is already perfectly realistic, unless you have bullet proof explanation of why the gazelle does not pitch up when it enters ETL - like *every* other helicopter does because of aerodynamics and physics. Plus all the other points that have been brought up and explained ...

It is perfectly fine that the FM needs work and tweaks, but there is no point in saying it isnt so.

And since this is the praise thread, lets stay on topic: POLYCHOP DID A FANTASTIC JOB SO FAR!!! You guys rock! :pilotfly:

enigma6584 · May 3, 2016

I have been having a blast with this new module. Congratulations to PolyChop for the superb release. This product is going to be a winner for DCS for a very long time IMHO.

rtimmons · May 4, 2016

I thought it would ......so i just had to try....and guess what..it did....

barrel roles! And I lived to tell about it...

thank you thank you thank you

Mt5_Roie · May 4, 2016

You never forget your first. Wait until you can do loops and inner loops.

I thought it would ......so i just had to try....and guess what..it did....
barrel roles! And I lived to tell about it...

thank you thank you thank you

rtimmons · May 4, 2016

I thought about loops but I was happy with barrel rolls for the moment. I did several both from a hover and flying forward. This is very quick and agile bird. I can't wait to do some swooping in with guns in it. It will be much harder for the tanks and AAA to hit than the other heli's.

Home Fries · May 4, 2016

I have to tack on my praise for this module. The level of polish is astounding for an early release. I look forward to the improvements as well as follow-on modules.

f4l0 · May 4, 2016

I really like the module, thus I spent the whole weekend to add support for the Gazelle in the SimShaker...

In addition, great work with supporting the toggle switches out of the box!

NeilWillis · May 4, 2016

I am tired of Good Samaritans saying thank you for a job that is being payed. Why no one ever thanks me and others who takes free time of charge to test a module and write about it here to make it even better.

What I am sad is the comparison you and others make between those who criticize vs those who say thank you.

You really think because you pay for something, you don't need to also thank the people that provided it for you? Why not think about the long hours that have been invested into the project, that took years, and without any reward? It is only this past week or so that Polychop workers saw any reward whatsoever for their efforts. So I would suggest that alone means we owe them a debt of gratitude, don't you?

I am totally for constructive criticism, and no one doubts your sincerity regarding the flight model. Please please please continue to say precisely what you think, and feel can be improved. Just do what everyone else on the forum eventually has to do, and ignore the irrelevant criticism. Everyone is entitled to a viewpoint, but that doesn't equate to everyone being right all the time.

As for your free testing work, wouldn't you say there is self interest there? And of course, no one can make you do it, so if it bothers you, why do it? It is simple really, you do it to improve your own experience with the Gazelle, which ought to be a reward in itself, wouldn't you agree?

And for your input, which is valued, I would like to say thank you, even if I don't always agree!

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