D.Va Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) Update 09-02-2018: I’ve completely re-written the entire guide! My guide is designed to be as aerodynamic as possible, omitting details. Also check out other guides: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=202092 (Sideslip's guide for 4K users, with a lot of screenshots and details) https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=200906 (Snacko's guide, with tweaks outside of DCS that may or may not work according to specification) https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=201196 (anti-aliasing guide by Repsol2k) Hey, DCS 2.5 is here and here’s my DCS 2.5 Optimisation Guide to go with it! My 5-year-old computer with a 1060 graphics card runs DCS 2.5 with almost all options at maximum while maintaining an absolute minimum 30 FPS. The aim with this guide is to give you a choice of 100%, 60%, 40%, or 20% performance, which corresponds to 150 FPS, 90 FPS, 60 FPS, or 30 FPS on my own 1920x1200 machine (a 10% margin in 1920x1080). I fly the Warthog over Vegas in my performance benchmarks as I believe it is one of the most graphically cumbersome scenarios in DCS. I’ve optimised all options and created four presets. Simply set all options to the Minimum preset first and upgrade to the Low, Medium, or High preset, depending on what performance you want. Download this guide as a PDF here: https://ufile.io/7r3ot Minimum preset: (100% performance: 167 FPS in 1920x1080, 150 FPS in 1920x1020) Textures HIGH Terrain Textures HIGH Civ. Traffic LOW Water LOW Visib. Range LOW Heat Blur OFF Shadows OFF Resolution PERSONAL PREFERENCE Aspect Ratio PERSONAL PREFERENCE Monitors PERSONAL PREFERENCE Res. of Cockpit Displays 1024 EVERY FRAME MSAA OFF Depth of Field OFF Lens Effects DIRT HDR OFF Deferred Shading ON Clutter/Grass 750 Trees Visibility 100% Preload Radius 100 Chimney Smoke Density PERSONAL PREFERENCE (Recommended: 0) Gamma PERSONAL PREFERENCE (Recommended: 2) Anisotropic Filtering OFF Terrain Object Shadows OFF Global Cockpit Illumination OFF Disable Aero Interface PERSONAL PREFERENCE (Recommended: OFF) Vsync OFF Full Screen ON Scale GUI PERSONAL PREFERENCE (Recommended: OFF) Low Preset: (60% performance: 100 FPS in 1920x1080, 90 FPS in 1920x1020) Minimum preset with the following changes: Civ. Traffic HIGH Heat Blur HIGH Shadows FLAT ONLY Lens Effects DIRT+FLARE Clutter/Grass 1500 Anisotropic Filtering X2 Terrain Object Shadows FLAT Medium preset: (40% performance: 67 FPS in 1920x1080, 60 FPS in 1920x1020) Minimum preset with the following changes: Water HIGH Visib. Range HIGH Shadows HIGH High preset: (27% performance: 44 FPS in 1920x1080, 40 FPS in 1920x1020) Minimum preset with the following changes: Water HIGH Visib. Range EXTREME Shadows HIGH MSAA X8 Anisotropic Filtering X4 Customisation Guide (for advanced players): A few points: The same ideas should apply to 4K/VR users in general, but 4K users won't want excessive anti-aliasing and VR users will want higher framerates. Players with a 1050, 960, 770, or equivalent cards with only 2GB VRAM may run out of VRAM in 1920x1020, which is something I've had difficulties benchmarking, but Textures, Terrain Textures, MSAA, Shadows, and Visib. Range are the options that you can probably decrease to minimize VRAM usage. I'm playing with 3GB VRAM and it works perfectly fine with 1.8-2.8GB VRAM depending on options. I haven't fully benchmarked Caucasus or Normandy yet. I haven't benchmarked action, with explosions and stuff. I haven't fully benchmarked Res. of Cockpit Displays and Heat Blur yet. I haven't fully benchmarked all minor options for the Low/Medium recommendations yet. I haven't experimented with 3rd party anti-aliasing methods yet. Activating MSAA X8 currently only activates MSAA X4 because of a glitch. Deferred Shading should always be ON, I recommend. If it's OFF, all data in this guide becomes very wildly inaccurate. I also recommend a Gamma of 2.0, but that depends on the brightness of your monitor. How to get the right brightness? If you have an iPhone, turn the volume off, then increase it again with the button four times bringing it to 25% (4/16), then enter the control centre and use the volume bar as a reference to set the brightness to 25% and hold it out in front of your monitor. Match the monitor brightness of white on white. This will be about the same brightness that is commonly recommended for office environments around the world and with that brightness, Gamma 2.0 looks just about right. Vsync is best enforced from outside of DCS. Edited February 26, 2018 by D.Va 22 Read my DCS 2.5 Optimisation Guide (version 2.5.4): https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3828073
The Integrator Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 I was hoping to find something exactly like this, thanks so much! :thumbup: Do you happen to have any experience with the effects of playing around with the Nvidia graphics control panel or ReShade? Things like FXAA. Eagerly anticipating DCS: Space Shuttle
Mr_sukebe Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 OP> good man. Hopefully people with issues will read this first, as against simply open another "my frame rate is naff" thread. 7800x3d, 5080, 64GB, PCIE5 SSD - Oculus Pro - Moza (AB9), Virpil (Alpha, CM3, CM1 and CM2), WW (TOP and CP), TM (MFDs, Pendular Rudder), Tek Creations (F18 panel), Total Controls (Apache MFD), Jetseat
Esac_mirmidon Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 This is a super nice first post. Great job. Thanks " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
Schweppes Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 This is just gold! Thank you very much D.Va
funkyfranky Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 Wow, awesome analysis :thumbup: I love this stuff ;) A warrior's mission is to foster the success of others. i9-12900K | RTX 4090 | 128 GB Ram 3200 MHz DDR-4 | Quest 3 RAT - On the Range - Rescue Helo - Recovery Tanker - Warehouse - Airboss
Ala13_ManOWar Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 Great post!! Thx for the tests :thumbup: . S! "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice
Alf.Snake Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 Thank, we optimisation need the game now, the Caucaso map, the FPS drop heavy
=Pedro= Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 :thumbup: Gigabyte Z390 Gaming X | i7 9700K@5.0GHz | Asus TUF OC RTX 4090 | 32GB DDR4@3200MHz | HP Reverb G2 | TrackIR 5 | TM Warthog HOTAS | MFG Croswinds
JIMJAM Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 Got 1/2 way through that before I realized it was not about how to use Mavericks on the Harrier.
Fish Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Thanks. Great work. Fish's Flight Sim Videos [sIGPIC]I13700k, RTX4090, 64gb ram @ 3600, superUltraWide 5120x1440, 2560x1440, 1920x1080, Warthog, Tusba TQS, Reverb VR1000, Pico 4, Wifi6 router, 360/36 internet[/sIGPIC]
20thBG_Blackwolf Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Great work and 1st post! Rep inbound! BSD Discord , BSD Website If it doesn't hover, it just sucks and blows
JLX Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Thanks for this. Great work! Sent from my BTV-W09 using Tapatalk 3570K w/ 16GB, 1070 w/ 8GB @ 1440p, VKB Gunfighter/MCG-Pro & T-Rudder Mk.IV, CH ProThrottle, TrackIR 5, HTC Vive, UniversRadio, VoiceAttack, TacView Pro, DCS Menu Nav F/A-18C, F-5E, F-86F, A-10C, AV-8B, AJS-37, MiG-21bis, MiG-15bis, UH-1H, Mi-8MTV2, Ka-50, SA342, P-51D, Spitfire Mk.IX, Bf109, Fw190, FC3, CA, Persian Gulf, NTTR, Normandy, WW2 Assets
Yskonyn Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Great post! One remark though: why do you enforce Cockpit Screen Res at 1024 every frame? It eats a lot of performance and isnt really neccessary imo. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Asus Z390-E, 32GB Crucial Ballistix 2400Mhz, Intel i7 9700K 5.0Ghz, Asus GTX1080 8GB, SoundBlaster AE-5, G15, Streamdeck, DSD Flight, TM Warthog, VirPil BRD, MFG Crosswind CAM5, TrackIR 5, KW-908 Jetseat, Win 10 64-bit ”Pilots do not get paid for what they do daily, but they get paid for what they are capable of doing. However, if pilots would need to do daily what they are capable of doing, nobody would dare to fly anymore.”
Zaz0 Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 I don't try it at 2.5, but at olders versions: Civ. Traffic HIGH <-- it's a CPU eater, unnecesary on most missions. Visib. Range LOW <-- you should see targets earlier, maybe you want this at HIGH, unless you only fly helos, and maybe MEDIUM will be a average range... Heat Blur HIGH <-- unnecesary. for low-ends PCs, fps killer. Lens Effects DIRT+FLARE <-- same as last one. That's my config My PC is a 4690k, 970gtx and 16Gb ram. I got >50fts parked and >60fts fliyng every mission I tried (most defaults ones) EDIT: I marked FXAA forced ON at Nvidia CP
D.Va Posted February 5, 2018 Author Posted February 5, 2018 A few more notes: I might also write a computer guide, since a lot of people are upgrading for DCS 2.5. As I probably mentioned, I benchmarked in the Warthog over Vegas, which I believe to be the most graphically challenging place in DCS 2.5. However, my runs probably didn't adequately benchmark all options, such as Water, which was never on-screen, and I will have to make more benchmarks with action and benchmarks in Caucasus and Normandy. I will have more time to test over the coming months; however, I'm not in any immediate hurry. DCS 2.5. is here to stay! Civ. Traffic: I've never had any performance problems with this at maximum. Water: probably not adequately benchmarked. Heat Blur: also probably not adequately benchmarked. Res. of Cockpit Displays: I've never had any performance problems with this. Lens DIRT+FLARE: isn't this an overlay that shouldn't affect performance at all? Deferred shading sucks performance, but for 2.5.0 I recommend keeping it ON in all circumstances until the vegetation is fixed when it is OFF. Vsync: in most games, Vsync locks your maximum framerate to 60 FPS, but a few (including DCS) will also limit it to 30 FPS, if your framerate falls under 60 FPS. That's why it should always be OFF in DCS. Got 1/2 way through that before I realized it was not about how to use Mavericks on the Harrier. Did you try turning the Maverick off and on again? Read my DCS 2.5 Optimisation Guide (version 2.5.4): https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3828073
Valium Posted February 6, 2018 Posted February 6, 2018 What's the better way? Setting MSAA on 2x or turning it off but turning on FXAA on Nvidia CP? I noticed that turning MSAA off gives me about 15 frames. Can you show me the difference between off and 2x? I took a few photo but I don't see difference. Click here to see more pictures of Polish Air Force! Check also my album.
bolek Posted February 6, 2018 Posted February 6, 2018 (edited) What's the better way? Setting MSAA on 2x or turning it off but turning on FXAA on Nvidia CP? MSAA 2x looks better visually but costs more performance. FXAA is too blurry (especially with text). Also, FXAA affects the DCS GUI too, which is very annoying. IMHO, of course. But you should really try for yourself, YMMV or you may disagree. Edited February 6, 2018 by bolek
Mobius12 Posted February 6, 2018 Posted February 6, 2018 [*]Vsync: in most games, Vsync locks your maximum framerate to 60 FPS, but a few (including DCS) will also limit it to 30 FPS, if your framerate falls under 60 FPS. That's why it should always be OFF in DCS I had that problem with v-sync unless i hit Alt+Enter a couple of times, a solution for me was disabling vsync ingame and enabling via NCP along with triple buffering. It really smoothed the sim for me and holds steady 60fps.
D.Va Posted February 6, 2018 Author Posted February 6, 2018 What's the better way? Setting MSAA on 2x or turning it off but turning on FXAA on Nvidia CP? I noticed that turning MSAA off gives me about 15 frames. Can you show me the difference between off and 2x? I took a few photo but I don't see difference. I haven't experimented with anti-aliasing outside of DCS, because as someone else mentioned, it currently anti-aliases the entire user interface, including text, as well. I had that problem with v-sync unless i hit Alt+Enter a couple of times, a solution for me was disabling vsync ingame and enabling via NCP along with triple buffering. It really smoothed the sim for me and holds steady 60fps. I use MSI Afterburner (works with any graphics card) to monitor my CPU and GPU usage and temperatures, as well as my RAM and VRAM, and with the RivaTuner Statistics Server add-on (which used to be a part of Afterburner, but I’ve had to download it individually recently) you can universally limit your framerate to 60 FPS in all games, which kills screen tearing. Read my DCS 2.5 Optimisation Guide (version 2.5.4): https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3828073
BitMaster Posted February 6, 2018 Posted February 6, 2018 (edited) I went from 100+ fps without MSAA-2x to 75+ fps with MSAA-4x, while using Def.Shading. It looks nicer but comes with a price Edited August 14, 2018 by BitMaster Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Sapphire Nitro+ 7800XT - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus XG27ACG QHD 180Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X
Nealius Posted February 7, 2018 Posted February 7, 2018 I go from 70-80 fps with MSAA off to 30fps with MSAAx2 :megalol:
jurinko Posted February 7, 2018 Posted February 7, 2018 Pressing alt+enter in game increases my fps from 25 to 35, when looking to the sky from 30 to 60. Probably that "not really full screeen" bug.
Art-J Posted February 7, 2018 Posted February 7, 2018 ^ Switch to proper full screen then (LAlt Enter) after loading mission, otherwise it indeed doesn't work. 1 i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10.
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