reported earlier Cloud jitter & movement

[30mikemike]

Hi guys, 

I’m seeing a lot of posts about the wobbly clouds and people saying it’s in VR. I just wanted to confirm that this isn’t just VR, it’s most certainly in 2D too as it’s pretty bad for me on my monitor.

 

I’m assuming when ED fix it it’ll fix it for both VR & 2D...?

[Dunx]

Just out of interest, are you using any form of head tracking device?

[30mikemike]

Just now, Dunx said:

Just out of interest, are you using any form of head tracking device?

Yeah, TrackIR 5 but it does it when not using it too.

[30mikemike]

I’ve just not seen many people complaining about it in 2D and only in VR, which made me a bit worried and thinking I’ve got the only wobbly clouds on the monitor! Ha.

[Slice313]

I also experienced this jitter when playing online (SoW) I think this started last week with last beta build.

 

I don't play in VR.

 

I only see clouds jitter when flying online.

 

Edited May 12, 2021 by Slice313

[30mikemike]

Yeah it was the 2.7 update and the clouds. It’s a known issue but all the reports etc have been aimed at VR.

[falcon_120]

In VR with the reverb G2 is pretty insane, sometimes is really disturbing guys, seing the whole cloud layer jumping up and down. Only happen with some cloud presets...

[Vanguard]

I just paused really close to the ground and moved my head up and down and came to realize, it's not the clouds, the entire ground in moving up and down for me. Just active pause about 1000ft off the ground, look 90 degrees to the right and look up and down 30 degrees. The entire ground moves up and down for me, just as the clouds do, so perhaps this isn't just a "cloud" thing. Tried recording it, but it's not obvious is the recording. Anyone feel like checking?

[sirrah]

11 hours ago, 30mikemike said:

Yeah it was the 2.7 update and the clouds. It’s a known issue but all the reports etc have been aimed at VR.

Don't worry, I'm pretty sure ED knows this is not just a VR issue.

 

The problem seems to be most striking when wearing any form of head tracking (VR, TrackIR, etc) and when making (small) vertical head movements. But apparently it can also be noticed when just using a monitor, only  much less obvious.

 

I can only advise you to stop using TrackIR, until ED comes up with a fix.

 

Personally (I don't have a good monitor, only a HP Reverb), I stopped using fixed wing modules, as the jitters are sickening in VR. When flying helo's at low altitudes, I noticed the jittering is far less striking. Let's hope ED finds a fix soon...

Edited May 12, 2021 by sirrah

[30mikemike]

2 hours ago, sirrah said:

Don't worry, I'm pretty sure ED knows this is not just a VR issue.

 

The problem seems to be most striking when wearing any form of head tracking (VR, TrackIR, etc) and when making (small) vertical head movements. But apparently it can also be noticed when just using a monitor, only  much less obvious.

 

I can only advise you to stop using TrackIR, until ED comes up with a fix.

 

Personally (I don't have a good monitor, only a HP Reverb), I stopped using fixed wing modules, as the jitters are sickening in VR. When flying helo's at low altitudes, I noticed the jittering is far less striking. Let's hope ED finds a fix soon...

 

It still does it really bad even without the use of TrackIR. It’s the movement and roll of the aircraft which triggers it, not so much TrackIR. I’m sure they’ll fix it...

[Art-J]

21 hours ago, 30mikemike said:

I’ve just not seen many people complaining about it in 2D and only in VR, which made me a bit worried and thinking I’ve got the only wobbly clouds on the monitor! Ha.

 

2D here. I didn't complain because it was a "known issue" in patch notes, so I didn't see why I should post about it :D. Yeah, noticed it immediately during first flight.

[30mikemike]

12 minutes ago, Art-J said:

 

2D here. I didn't complain because it was a "known issue" in patch notes, so I didn't see why I should post about it :D. Yeah, noticed it immediately during first flight.

I wasn’t going to mention anything as I also saw it was a known issue but the more and more posts about it were specifically about VR and no mention of 2D.

All good though, I’m sure ED will sort it....

[XPACT]

20 hours ago, 30mikemike said:

I wasn’t going to mention anything as I also saw it was a known issue but the more and more posts about it were specifically about VR and no mention of 2D.

 

If they fix it for VR be sure it's also fixed for 2D. Blurriness, jittering is stronger in VR since you have two 2D scenes being rendered and clouds (due to the way they are currently rendered) jitter/move a bit differently for every eye that makes the effect much more prominent.

Edited May 13, 2021 by XPACT

[EasyEB]

On 5/11/2021 at 8:19 PM, 30mikemike said:

I’ve just not seen many people complaining about it in 2D and only in VR, which made me a bit worried and thinking I’ve got the only wobbly clouds on the monitor! Ha.

2D here. I have never in my life gotten motion sick, not in cars, planes, boats, trains or helicopters. So I don’t know how it feels.

 

But these clouds get me damn close. They’re good for screenshots but that’s about it.

[XPACT]

5 minutes ago, EasyEB said:

But these clouds get me damn close. They’re good for screenshots but that’s about it.

 

Did you try setting them on Ultra, that alleviates the issue for me, it's still there but much less noticable.

[Vanguard]

On 5/12/2021 at 5:29 AM, Vanguard said:

I just paused really close to the ground and moved my head up and down and came to realize, it's not the clouds, the entire ground in moving up and down for me. Just active pause about 1000ft off the ground, look 90 degrees to the right and look up and down 30 degrees. The entire ground moves up and down for me, just as the clouds do, so perhaps this isn't just a "cloud" thing. Tried recording it, but it's not obvious is the recording. Anyone feel like checking?

 

Am I the only one having the entire ground move up and down? 

[EasyEB]

8 hours ago, XPACT said:

 

Did you try setting them on Ultra, that alleviates the issue for me, it's still there but much less noticable.

Yeah, tried it. Didn’t help one single bit.

[Resection]

Has anyone noticed that when using the highest zoom setting in VR the jittering almost completely vanishes?

[Gripen 4-1]

Still the same in VR - unplayable due to the jittering

[schurem]

This bug is unfixed, but it will be. Is it unplayable? Well not for me. I had a great time. Got good performance and after a short while I didn't even notice anything off with the clouds. Guess I'm easy like that  But then I used to shoot twelve-polygon migs on an Atari ST using a clicky stick.

[Gryzor]

On 5/16/2021 at 8:31 PM, Resection said:

Has anyone noticed that when using the highest zoom setting in VR the jittering almost completely vanishes?

Yes, I am. And the cloud resolution increases.

[Fropa]

I've definitely gotten used to the jittery clouds, but I would love to see this issue fixed once and for all.

[Mr. Big.Biggs]

Not rubbing it in but just finally upgraded to 2.7 last week and not seeing any cloud jitters?  I have issues with fps in multiplayer but the clouds look stable to me !

I9, 64Ram, 2080ti and an index 

what a goofy ass program. 

[Highwayman-Ed]

I finally managed to fly DCS this morning without significant cloud jitter, but the method of doing so is undesirable.

 

1. started Oculus Desktop Client and set the refresh rate to 72Hz (lowest)

2. Start Oculus Debug tool and force ASW on thereby forcing 36Hz

3. Start DCS and select the Low preset.

4. Disable shadows entirely (both regular and terrain)

5. When DCS restarts after the settings have changed, start a quick start mission with clouds.

 

The clouds on the horizon still move a little, but nothing remotely close to how much they did before.

 

This is the only way with my i9-9900KF and 2080Ti that I could achieve a constant stable frame rate that matched the refresh rate of my headset.

 

I then tweaked settings gradually up (and not that much unfortunately) until I reached the point where DCS couldn’t maintain a stable FPS and the jitter became apparent as the FPS dropped below the 36fps threshold.

 

Not trying to provide any workaround or suggest that FPS is the underlying issue, but thought others may find it interesting.

Edited May 21, 2021 by Highwayman-Ed

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

I do not have to change any of the setting about shadows and refresh rate and I have the same observation -- little stuttering near to the horizon, and the rest seems fine.