W.I.P Clouds

[corbu1]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb jetsimace:

Will 2.8 include (long-awaited) Vulcan and/or multi-core implementation?
Or will other cool features like improved rain/fog/clouds/traffic etc. be included ?
I hope we will hear some details in today's Official News (?)
Anyway, this is great news! Looking forward to...

Vulkan/ MC I‘d guess for DCS World 3.0…..?

Edited October 14, 2022 by corbu1

[Ironhand]

Looks like great things are coming...

Thanks for the previews.

[Peter5on]

2 hours ago, corbu1 said:

Vulkan/ MC I‘d guess for DCS World 3.0…..?

Yup i think they will release DCS 3.0 with Vulcan, ATC, Dynamic Campaign, Dynamic Weather, Advanced AI

But when this will happen?

[Mr_sukebe]

My question is whether this will fix the cloud “shimmer” that I currently see in VR?

[twistking]

13 minutes ago, Бойовий Сокіл said:

One question I have still - will this new "dynamic weather" also include changing weather and temperature throughout the day or does this simply add clouds moving with the wind, while everything else remains static?

That's exactly what i was trying to find out yesterday by harassing the ED staff on discord. Of course i did not get a clear-cut answer, but i understood that they are at least working on weather that is more sophisticated than only clouds moving (but that was already hinted some years ago in a newsletter i think - so no surprise really). The big question is, how "dynamic" will the upcoming 2.8 dynamic weather iteration be. I feel that the word dynamic promises a bit more than just moving clouds but unfortunately today's newsletter did not really clear that up. I'll just continue my herassment here then: @NineLine can you give us a hint how "dynamic" the next iteration will be? Pretty please!

[WHOGX5]

32 minutes ago, twistking said:

That's exactly what i was trying to find out yesterday by harassing the ED staff on discord. Of course i did not get a clear-cut answer, but i understood that they are at least working on weather that is more sophisticated than only clouds moving (but that was already hinted some years ago in a newsletter i think - so no surprise really). The big question is, how "dynamic" will the upcoming 2.8 dynamic weather iteration be. I feel that the word dynamic promises a bit more than just moving clouds but unfortunately today's newsletter did not really clear that up. I'll just continue my herassment here then: @NineLine can you give us a hint how "dynamic" the next iteration will be? Pretty please!

I don't think people should have too high expectations when it comes to weather in 2.8. Their wording makes it sound like 2.8 will contain moving clouds and rainbows/ice halos. That's it. If 2.8 were to ship with full dynamic weather with different wind strength, wind direction, air pressure, temperature, humidity, etc. in different parts of the map which change over time, they would most definitely have made that very clear as it'd be an absolutely colossal development and a milestone for DCS World.

[twistking]

8 minutes ago, WHOGX5 said:

[...] If 2.8 were to ship with full dynamic weather with different wind strength, wind direction, air pressure, temperature, humidity, etc. in different parts of the map which change over time, they would most definitely have made that very clear as it'd be an absolutely colossal development and a milestone for DCS World.

True. I thought hoewever that from a technical and gameplay perspective it might make sense to have an iteration that is not a full blown simulation but a scripted system that would allow for different presets in the same mission. The clips posted by nineline look a bit like there are two different presets at play. But maybe they have just changed the presets to allow more diversity within them...

Edited October 14, 2022 by twistking

[Tom Kazansky]

 

[twistking]

28 minutes ago, Tom Kazansky said:

 

Maybe a native english speaker can help me here, because i'm lost again. I feel ED staff are masters of ambiguity.
What might @NineLine mean with weather cells? Different cells containing weather presets moving around, or does weather cells mean high/low pressure areas and thereby imply a more sophisticated simulation of weather systems with actual weather resulting from the interplay between said systems?

Edited October 14, 2022 by twistking

[zildac]

My question is whether this will fix the cloud “shimmer” that I currently see in VR?

My exact question post #15, looks great really excited and great work. But will we now just have moving shimmering clouds in VR ?

[NineLine]

57 minutes ago, WHOGX5 said:

I don't think people should have too high expectations when it comes to weather in 2.8. Their wording makes it sound like 2.8 will contain moving clouds and rainbows/ice halos. That's it. If 2.8 were to ship with full dynamic weather with different wind strength, wind direction, air pressure, temperature, humidity, etc. in different parts of the map which change over time, they would most definitely have made that very clear as it'd be an absolutely colossal development and a milestone for DCS World.

These are steps that need to be made to get towards our final goals. We are able to release in steps so you get to enjoy aspects as we go along. 

[WHOGX5]

27 minutes ago, twistking said:

Maybe a native english speaker can help me here, because i'm lost again. I feel ED staff are masters of ambiguity.
What might @NineLine mean with weather cells? Different cells containing weather presets moving around, or does weather cells mean high/low pressure areas and thereby imply a more sophisticated simulation of weather systems with actual weather resulting from the interplay between said systems?

 

Weather cells in this context usually refers to having the map divided into a grid where each cell in that grid has a specific weather (wind, temperature, clouds, etc), then you usually have some blending between the cells to prevent any abrupt change in weather state as you fly from one cell into another.

[Ironhand]

5 hours ago, twistking said:

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What might @NineLine mean with weather cells? Different cells containing weather presets moving around, or does weather cells mean high/low pressure areas and thereby imply a more sophisticated simulation of weather systems with actual weather resulting from the interplay between said systems?

 

Given the subject of the post he was responding to, I imagine it’s similar to what we have now—or used to have, anyway—as long as you are willing to edit the LUA file that you can save using the dynamic weather menu.

For instance, currently you can set up “cells” that work together, or against each other, to produce a weather front with rain occurring somewhere along that front that moves from west to east with winds that vary in direction and intensity in locations as the cells move across the map.

To achieve this takes a lot of editing as well as trial and error. It’s very time consuming to create and place the effects you want where you want them when you want them. I imagine their goal is to allow something like this to happen but without the editing and with much less trial and error.

Edited October 14, 2022 by Ironhand

[zildac]

4 hours ago, NineLine said:

These are steps that need to be made to get towards our final goals. We are able to release in steps so you get to enjoy aspects as we go along. 

Can we get a simple yes/no as to whether the VR cloud "shimmer, aliasing" whatever we want to call it is resolved too? It's a big deal for us "minority" VR users 

[hannibal]

im excited for improvements to the flying experience,

looking forward to clouds.

even the trees shake!!!! amazing

Edited October 15, 2022 by hannibal

[MAXsenna]

5 minutes ago, hannibal said:

even the trees shake!!!! amazing

even the trees shake!!!! amazing

Whoa! Didn't notice that. Gonna rewatch! 

[twistking]

8 hours ago, hannibal said:

im excited for improvements to the flying experience,

looking forward to clouds.

even the trees shake!!!! amazing

8 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Whoa! Didn't notice that. Gonna rewatch! 

The trees did always sway in the wind a little bit, no? The shaking is just from the timelapse. Speedtrees so to say...

[MAXsenna]

The trees did always sway in the wind a little bit, no? The shaking is just from the timelapse. Speedtrees so to say...

They did? I've never noticed.

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[FZG_Immel]

Looks fantastic!
 

do we know if the cloud stuttering issue has been fixed?

[draconus]

5 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

They did? I've never noticed.

Yes, it's not a new feature.

[Dragon1-1]

On 10/14/2022 at 3:10 PM, Peter5on said:

Advanced AI

Unless by that you mean GFM (which is an FM update, not necessarily a "brain" update for AI), you won't have to wait for 3.0. Single-ship BVR is already in and working great, dogfighting is coming in the next patch or the one after that. GS released a video showcasing it some time ago, so it can't be far. AI is a task more or less independent of Vulkan/MC, so like the weather, it's coming out in stages. Which makes sense, because BVR, BFM and multi-ship employment are three distinct tasks with clear conditions.

Now, stopping them from flying like dolts in non-combat situations is another matter, and I don't think we'll get that addressed until the combat part is done.

[Bosun]

Will the new clouds feature more realistic formations?  

By that, I mean the structure of formations in the vertical.  The clouds here are very detailed, and the modelling is impressive.  I'm hoping that the 'layering' will be such that vertical cloud stacks are more able to be their own entity, instead of being very clear, distinct 'layers' that simply abut one another.  The thunderheads in the game, and other vertical stacks, will often seem to resemble a heaped scone, stacked atop another scone, rather than a billowing vertical formation.  They look great from certain angles, but flying at altitude with them can reveal the stacking/tiling.  So my question is wondering if that effect will be lessened due to the dynamic nature now?  

Clouds have come such a long way since the days of Aces over the Pacific!  

[ignition22]

On 10/15/2022 at 11:03 AM, zildac said:

Can we get a simple yes/no as to whether the VR cloud "shimmer, aliasing" whatever we want to call it is resolved too? It's a big deal for us "minority" VR users 

Have you tried just putting clouds on the highest settings? That solves all the VR shimmer problems for me and the performance hit isn't too bad. 

[5ephir0th]

2 hours ago, ignition22 said:

Have you tried just putting clouds on the highest settings? That solves all the VR shimmer problems for me and the performance hit isn't too bad. 

No, it does not fix it, it just move it a bit further at the cost of double the performance penalty from high setting...

[zildac]

7 hours ago, ignition22 said:

Have you tried just putting clouds on the highest settings? That solves all the VR shimmer problems for me and the performance hit isn't too bad. 

I have, yes. They do still shimmer, especially on the horizon in certain lighting conditions.