Patch notes discussion 10th March - 12th April 2023

[chaos]

5950x in pancake mode...

No discernable performance in- or de-crease. New mission created, no mods. F-16C in Syria and Caucasus. STD version avg fps 55 / MT version avg fps 56.

 

Just for kicks I created a mission in Caucasus with me up against 40 Mig-29S in MT. Starts off with about 60fps... in middle of the furball down to 8fps. Something is screwy here... It's like MT is not enabled at all. And yes, Im starting it DCS from the MT directory...

 

Any ideas?

 

[OG84]

4 minutes ago, Firebird1955 said:

Is anyone else having an issue with getting their VR screen to recenter using the Valve Index and MT?  Using the overlay, my screen will recenter (play area) just fine with the update without MT, but when I start using the MT exe, when DCS Starts, my view is in the middle of the mig with the home screen off to my right.  I cannot recenter the screen using the Valve UI or any other means I have tried.  I do have the extension on the command line, and since the Valve is not supported (to my knowledge) using XR, I am at a loss.  

I assume you have also tried pressing the "5" key on the numpad? Should be the DCS recenter button.

[Jayhawk1971]

vor einer Stunde schrieb IR.Clutch:

DCS World\bin-mt\DCS.exe" --force_enable_VR   -  default SteamVR

DCS World\bin-mt\DCS.exe" - Default OpenXR 

Could you elaborate? As a stand-alone DCS but SteamVR user (because Vive Pro), do I have to manually add "force_enable_VR" to the exe?

Edited March 10, 2023 by Jayhawk1971

[Ganesh]

My first tests show (VR only)
I got my 10-15 fps back that 2.8 robbed from me. Well done ED, we're even again now.

[GayCavalier]

11 minutes ago, Eugel said:

I don´t see an "MT VR" option in the steam launch pop up and it´s not even in the screenshot provided in the FAQ.

Go into SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\DCSWorld\bin-mt and find DCS.exe..  run that.

If you want to run in VR with MT, then go into the same folder, create a shortcut that runs "SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\DCSWorld\bin-mt\DCS.exe --force_VR --force_OpenXR" otherwise it'll try and run SteamVR

[muzica9]

for MT,  old missions that have added sound or scripts are dead. crash on loading

4 minutes ago, Ganesh said:

My first tests show (VR only)
I got my 10-15 fps back that 2.8 robbed from me. Well done ED, we're even again now.

ST or MT? +10/15 fps with MT is not a gain. baby steps.

Edited March 10, 2023 by muzica9

[MadKreator]

1 hour ago, muzica9 said:

you will be disappointed. you still have to keep old settings and workarounds

Just fired it up ( Syria full map) and FPS seems to be much more consisted at the airfield. I cap my fps at 60 so helios runs the smoothest, but it held pretty constant while taxiing and looking around near all the hangers that would normally tank the  fps into the. 30’s until up in  the air. Had about 25 aircraft on that field and 10 f-15 cap flights all moving to the runway. Didn’t get deep into it but on initial trial it seems to have helped. Not saying it wont tank when missiles start flying and there’s hundreds of ballistics happening all at once though

[Beirut]

My totally lazy ass test results in my secondary main site install I use for free trials. No Steam patch for a few hours.

 

P-51 trainer, same route, over Marianas = 5% to 10% for FPS 

 

Nice loading times though.  

[Foka]

I think no one mentioned it, and for sure patch notes didn't mention that, but for me a huge change is... TGP! Now TGP renders view in 80 nm!

 

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[titi69]

Running steam edition, Reverb G2
it is supposed to have MT VR option in steam but it is not there, so MT preview is launched in 2D , and forcing VR will launch it with steam VR does anyone have info

Aslo having Reverb G2 launching via steam VR before the update steamVR was not launched and skipped by using OPENXR

now steamvR is launched everytime, does anyone have info here how to launch VR on steam skipping steamVR as it was before the update

[Beirut]

3 minutes ago, Foka said:

I think no one mentioned it, and for sure patch notes didn't mention that, but for me a huge change is... TGP! Now TGP renders view in 80 nm!

 

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Oooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

 

I like that. 

[SmirkingGerbil]

Few things. I have seen an amazing increase in performance.

Seeing folks here report none, to very little. All could be true - but.

What I am not seeing consistently is WHAT environment?

My earlier post, mentioned I was a Pancake. Some posts not clarifying whether Pancake or VR.

Also, I am using a shortcut to the MT bin folder MT launcher . . . are other folks just launching the old standard binary?

I think it would be helpful for folks to list VR/Pancake, Resolution, Basic hardware and core count and an explicit reference to "Yes, I am launching the MT DCS.exe from the MT folder!"

IMHO

[muzica9]

5 minutes ago, Foka said:

I think no one mentioned it, and for sure patch notes didn't mention that, but for me a huge change is... TGP! Now TGP renders view in 80 nm!

 

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• Cockpit. MFD surface render increased from 80 to 150 km range

In changelog

[Eugel]

24 minutes ago, GayCavalier said:

Go into SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\DCSWorld\bin-mt and find DCS.exe..  run that.

If you want to run in VR with MT, then go into the same folder, create a shortcut that runs "SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\DCSWorld\bin-mt\DCS.exe --force_VR --force_OpenXR" otherwise it'll try and run SteamVR

But I want it to run in Steam VR !

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

I jumped in the F-16 for the first time in a while, in a dogfight IA mission only to notice I had to pull my FSSB R3L almost out of its mounting point to keep up with the Su-27. I checked the realsimulator software, which had the correct settings, so I was puzzled... Only after a while I noticed that some patch added a 35 degree curve to pitch and roll for some reason... Yikes... No wonder I had to pull that hard...

[NineLine]

31 minutes ago, Firebird1955 said:

Is anyone else having an issue with getting their VR screen to recenter using the Valve Index and MT?  Using the overlay, my screen will recenter (play area) just fine with the update without MT, but when I start using the MT exe, when DCS Starts, my view is in the middle of the mig with the home screen off to my right.  I cannot recenter the screen using the Valve UI or any other means I have tried.  I do have the extension on the command line, and since the Valve is not supported (to my knowledge) using XR, I am at a loss.  

Make sure you report MT bugs in the dedicated MT bugs topic, it will get lost in here. Thanks

[Foka]

4 minutes ago, muzica9 said:

• Cockpit. MFD surface render increased from 80 to 150 km range

In changelog

LOL
 It was such a vaguely worded statement I had no idea what they ment

[splash]

+10 fps or so here when flying over Marianas.

In Module Manager it shows "1" despite I don't have any module pending to install.

 

EDITED: I suppose it is due to NS430 module which is disabled in MT version.

Edited March 10, 2023 by splash

[Firebird1955]

12 minutes ago, NineLine said:

Make sure you report MT bugs in the dedicated MT bugs topic, it will get lost in here. Thanks

Would have, but posted in in VR bugs as I dont see an MT bugs topic.  What am I missing

[Gunfreak]

For those just flying. The MT improvements are shown mostly in busy missions. 

WW2 missions are a good test. Try bomber attack missions in the 109 campaign from reflected, see how it handles those 72 bomber formations. 

[Nuggetz]

Early days but no significant increase in performance in terms of fps so far, but I have enabled terrain shadows with no obvious hit in performance. 

That said DCS stats indicate CPU timings of 0.0 improved from 1.1 - 1.9ms. GPU timings remain 13.1 - 13.9ms in SP Mode. 

Also I had to import the new DCS MT .exe shortcut into mygames folder in Pitool to get VR access to DCS in VR vs just via the shortcut. 

Edited March 10, 2023 by Nuggetz

[muzica9]

1 minute ago, Nuggetz said:

That said DCS stats indicate CPU timings of 0.0 improved from 1.1 - 1.9ms. GPU timings remain 13.1 - 13.9ms in SP Mode. 

In Vr i get - 5ms cpu frametime(improved). GPU timings remain same because are not CPU/MT related.

[splash]

Is there any specific sub-forum for MT version bugs?

[Beirut]

10 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

For those just flying. The MT improvements are shown mostly in busy missions. 

WW2 missions are a good test. Try bomber attack missions in the 109 campaign from reflected, see how it handles those 72 bomber formations. 

 

I'm going to do exactly that when the Steam version patch comes out.

 

In two-hours.  

[Victor3]

Just tried a quick SP free flight in the Harrier on NTTR, without changing any settings I got a bump from 30 fps to 90 fps on my HP Reverb G2 v2. Looks VERY promising.